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It’s either doublespeak or incomplete as I’ve already noted. Having test capacity is not the current issue. Performing an adequate number of tests is.

Fauci and Birx have not said enough testing has been done. “Enough tests for phase 1“ is definitely not adequate for what we need, as we know. If you agree that we are undercounting cases by 1/10 or less, as I do, then I’m not sure how you might think we are doing enough testing. And if we are not doing enough testing by a lot, then Pence et al are definitely engaging in double speak (truth but clearly not the entire story) by saying we have adequate testing. I don’t say that because of his politics, it’s because it’s a fact.

You are making this political like I am am finding fault with the feds. You lay blame for our very clear under testing on other governments. It is not a logistical government problem. It’s a matter of human resources, test types, and and overburdened care system. It’s not worth it to waste nurse time testing everyone because we need them doing other things like caring for patients. And it’s not worth putting them at risk for the same reason. The lack of serology testing makes the level of testing available and the TAT less helpful than we need. Also the swab testing requires nurses and more PPE, while exposing them to greater risk. And the system is so overburdened that most PCPs are saying “stay home” instead of testing unless they are at risk. So while there may technically be tests sitting around at many places, they are absolutely not ready to be done and tracked for every patient as recommended by the Open Up America plan. And if we are not testing those who are sick and tracking them, we are not following what I believe are good guidelines.

There may be enough tests available in total, but not every place has them and definitely not every place has enough nurses to take them, and even more definitely because of the way current tests are done, most people are not being tested. Until the serology kits are available widely (earliest guess I’ve seen for this is first week in May), this will continue to be the case. The “tests are available” line is a political backpat and technically accurate but not practically so.

I did. It was strange but welcome. And short lived! Trump can’t let someone else be center stage. I’m not meaning to get this into a critique, but just saying those conferences are multiple times better when he does step aside.

of the families I know who live together and have it, everyone got it. only if their symptoms dictate hospitalization, which most don’t. It is. Lots of families trying to separate from the sick person but many have nowhere to go but home.

I would ask him to move to the back and let the rest of the people on stage speak unless he was going to act like a grownup. But that’s the Catholic nun education speaking. I prefer Pence and the rest of the team on mike at those. They don’t get petty even when the questions are petty.

The people you describe is everyone who posts in social media.

I saw it. But all Pence said is there are enough tests available. I’d like someone to explain how any state is ready for phase one based on the requirements. Including the tracing piece, for which I’ve never heard a single state’s plan. I’m genuinely curious how Trump can say any state is ready for phase one. I’ve read the document. No one of the ones I’ve clicked on the data for is ready.

Someone should ask Mike how the states are coming on tracing, which is a prerequisite for phase 1. And which state exactly has seen 14 straight days of case declines. I like the Open America plan but I doubt any state qualifies for phase 1 based on its own wording. Some states may be moving towards it but very few.

It is good news but that’s with a long lockdown.

Gov Wolf’s plan that has no details at least says PA will reopen by region and sections within regions. Cuomo would have to do the same. NYC is India compared to Canada of the rest of NY.

My bad. I missed that this was a pro tennis discussion.

They both touch the ball and lots of rec tennis is doubles.

phase zero really. It’s moronic. Wolf has been saying his plan was coming this week. The Reps did it so they could make him threaten to veto a bill about opening the economy. Petty state stupidity. Edit. Here is the Wolf Plan. Zero specifics. It is crap. It may someday be good but it has a ton of nonsense. His plan has a ton of non Covid related dem dreams. It’s awful. https://www.governor.pa.gov/newsroom/gov-wolf-unveils-plan-for-pennsylvanias-covid-19-recovery/

This is @Hapless Bills Fan territory. Your take?

It’s already 4X as contagious right? This would make it 300x. I would be surprised if that’s the case.

Gov Wolf is rolling out his phased plan today, which will give the Reps something specific to make politics over. This was an odd political maneuver in advance of Wolf’s plan.

I’m all for any good news. But this thing would have to be the most contagious MF on the planet to have infected that many people that quickly. So I remain a bit suspicious.

That’s from yesterday. What they voted to do was force the governor to follow the Open America guidelines. Wolf threatened to veto that. He’s talking now about his plan to reopen so I suspect there’s more to come. Sounds like his plan has three somewhat similar phases from the tweets but I’ll wait to see it.

Yes it does and you should wear the mask. These rallies are idiotic. The opening needs to be done very carefully but it can be done in a way that works over the course of the next 2-3 months.

PA deaths are steady, as are case counts. And Philly is just as steady as everywhere else right now. But with 10M people in the greater Philadelphia area, of course it's higher than the rest of PA. The data could be better but PA and Philly are not a "hotspot." PA case counts since April 1: Death counts are pretty steady too, as you can see in this flattening curve.

We don't shut down. We can't stay shut down here either. I think the federal level system unveiled yesterday makes a lot of sense to get out of this. I expect states will follow some of these courses (1) States/regions will go through the phases and return to normal without tracing/tracking (best case, unlikely) (2) State/regions will bounce between levels 0-1-2 and back multiple times, while ignoring tracing/tracking and fudging other requirements, growing herd immunity but messing with the economy over a longer course of time (most likely) (3) States will do some bouncing and then get on board with tracing and tracking and move through the phases linearly (4) States will try the guidelines and eventually just say ***** it and trample the dead bodies on the way to herd immunity

Do you remember what travel was like on September 10? If you do, then you know the answer. And as far as these deaths go, they would not spike up to where they are now, and then go away, so yes, we need to react to these deaths in a different way. If Covid-19 is here every year killing 100K+ people a year for the foreseeable future, then it will become something we get used to dealing with in the same way we deal with cancer, driving deaths, etc. But right now our healthcare, morgues, nursing homes etc cannot deal with this.

As an update on one business's trek through the PPP process. After filling out many forms, changing the number we could request several times (all downwards), my business got funded today. It's a minimal amount but along with all the squeezing we've already done, it should help us stay afloat for 2 more weeks than we otherwise would have.