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Because (1) they lack tests, and (2) the hospitals are overrun. Your credentials on this are probably better than Dr. Fauci and every other pandemic expert. How many years have you been with the CDC studying pandemics? Or do you compare to Bill Gates who seems like a bright guy and has been working on helping solve and treat disease outbreaks for 20 years? We need tests and lots of them. We need them as soon as possible within the limits of what can be done given the wasted month of planning that has been well documented, and we need them even more in a month if we have any hope of getting out of this shut down. We need dedicated testing sites not at hospitals, quick TATs, and tracking of contacts so we can turn a depression-like economic situation into a mere massive recession. What we don't need is: (1) everyone hoping they self diagnose properly (2) taking meds they may not need if some of the promising early data on anti-malarial turns out to be true (and conversely, taking those meds if they have it) (3) people quarantining themselves without reason (4) people relying on their faulty memories or whatever communications they may have to warn others if they test positive

1000+ people died yesterday from the "psy op" that you believe in and Buffalo Gal agrees with, and some other poster dedicated a thread to because he doesn't see enough Twitter photos of distraught US hospitals. 167 people die from the flu in NYC on average in a month. About 400 died from Covid-19 in NYC yesterday. Psy op. What is wrong with you?

I'll take my chances on Fauci and Gates being right for the many reasons that have been stated already, and not "GG" from the Bills board.

You're wrong and you've been told why. Sick individuals should 100% stay home now that we are where we are in this timeline. The "test a lot" to stem the spread opportunity is long behind us here on April 1. If we have a lot of tests available for anyone who wants them coming out of this in June, that is critical to prevent more outbreaks. Testing is important to stem the spread, and not one person on Pence's panel, including Pence himself, is saying otherwise. And tracing contacts for positive tests is even more important.

I didn't say that. Trump is the president though. Bragging about TV ratings during a pandemic is awful, even for him. Imagine George Bush bragging about big TV ratings for his Oval Office speech on 9-11. I bet FDR was killing it in radio ratings on December 8 but I don't remember him bragging about it.

Testing is a huge part of making sure we identify positive cases and not the flu or other problems. COVID-19 does not have a consistent symptom presentation so "just staying home" is not the full answer. It's the answer right now because we lack adequate testing. It is not the answer for getting America back to work. And once we are testing, we must be tracking down chains of contacts. That is a critical piece of this.

We don't need squirrels, we need leadership that joins us together.

It's hard. We all as a country are rooting for America, and him as the leader. But things like the ratings tweet (if only we had a pandemic every few months!) and the Megan Markel nonsense and his "leadership" sniping at the press during briefings show that he's not being a leader for all or focusing on the task at hand with the gravity required.

Attaboy!

The minimization (take your trip, we barely have any cases, the death rate is lower than the flu, the Diamond Princess is the most reliable data point) is something that posters both here and people in the country are guilty of. No shame in it but maybe we can start paying a little more attention to our scientists moving forward. As we come out of the quarantine, our fatality rates will spike or remain high unless there's a treatment that works. If they keep going at 500-1000+/day, 100K in deaths seems low. It may be worth it once we have dedicated treatment centers and equipment, which is tough medicine.

Italy, Spain and perhaps other areas are not outliers. They are lessons about what happens when the medical system collapses under the onslaught of bodies. Let's hope that doesn't happen in NYC or anywhere else here or in any other country. Italy was an outlier at 4% maybe because of age. It jumped to 8-9% once the hospitals got overloaded.

I see Israel's name in all the reports on the WHO's website about COVID-19. If this is legit, it was some single actor making a political statement, not the WHO. Edit. The twitter poster you quoted later corrected herself for her error. https://twitter.com/CandiceMalcolm/status/1242971858514915329

NYC only peaking in 2 weeks if it stays quarantined. Otherwise it's up and up.

With social distancing in place, that might be true. The rate in Italy is declining but only because of the quarantine. There is no plan to get back to normal in Italy or the US. We have had exponential growth and that is clear. The slowing of that is OF COURSE because 150 million Americans are under some state of quarantine and many of them have been for 10 days+ on the coasts. The map of the US now shows growing pockets picking up in every state. The US had 300 cases a few weeks ago and today we are at 45,000. There are plenty of options combining 1 and 2. The decision to re-open can be done in a way that doesn't make this a binary "***** it" one way or the other.

He's an actor.

That's the the effect of the quarantine, 100%. We know a long quarantine will work to slow the spread of the virus, but the next step of being able to re-open the economy is critical. If they just re-open too soon, and without testing and tracking, the cases will just pile back up.

I don’t hate Trump or America. I am rooting for our president to succeed and for us to bond as Americans. I see a disease that has barely started its US progression with a peak Coming in mid May or June. I hope desperately that these lockdown measures (going to be more like 6-8 weeks to be effective) come with Massive testing and a clear tracking plan so we can have an economy to even discuss in 2 years. I understand the desire to be skeptical but I’m close to the healthcare system and it’s not going to be OK in this first wave. NYC is at the bare beginning of the outbreak and supplies are running low. The CDC is talking about using bandanas in medical settings. Masks for a week. This is unheard of before now for a reason. A strong weaker mutation would be amazing. A severe weather change impact would buy us time to prepare for the fall. Drug breakthrough please yes. But these are not going to help much in this initial wave. Balancing the economic vs health issues is juggling chainsaws. Something is going to get cut off. We are trying for the 6-8 weeks shutdown that saves something. This is smart but it’s not organized and won’t work unless it is centralized with testing “like you wouldn’t believe” to use a stock phrase of Trump’s along with disease tracking to isolate positive cases. Korea provides a model. We were not ready to follow it and that’s just what it is. Hard truth. We have woeful testing resources and I see zero discussion in leadership about testing. It’s not Trump’s fault. It would not have been Hillary’s fault in a parallel universe. Or Biden no matter how he Monday morning QB’s this mess. But can we get to the KR model of huge testing and rigorous tracking in 8 weeks? We can’t by waiting for governors and not putting everything as a country into it. Trump says we are at war? OK agreed. But then he is looking to Governors to make decisions. Are you following General Cuomo who was slow to act in NY? General Wolfe who locked down much of Philadelphia early? General Desantis who didn’t shut down FL and now all those kids are going home after bathing in each other’s germs? Trump is doing a great service to the Tenth Amendment right now. It’s about time he did something for the “United” part of the name of our country. Tell us the plan with voices in the room all of America trusts. Marshall and organize the resources. Execute the plan and change it as required. Ignore fighting with the media, re-election, giving himself credit, etc. Just do it. America will be grateful to a president of “United” States and November will take care of itself.

This won't age well. Are you saying that you don't believe that hospitals are already having tragic shortages of basic supplies? Medical workers are not already coming down with this? Do you understand how an exponential (or something akin to it--I'd love for the leveling off to happen quickly as some reports may indicate) works? Do you understand that we are only at the beginning of this and that is why we don't have a massive buildup of cases yet? Were you one of those people saying last week, "What's the big deal, there are only 40 cases so far?"

As it's supposed to be. Though I'm surprised in the age of Twitter, people aren't live-Tweeting the group therapy sessions.