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4 hours ago, oldmanfan said:
Sweden:
5th highest death rate in the world
2nd to the US in slowing down of death rate since the pandemic hit
infection rate climbing again after slowdown in the summer
Not completely open in that restrictions on numbers that can group are in place
Its citizens voluntarily did things like distanced and quarantined when sick, because unlike the US they are willing to work together
Economic impact has been similar to that of other European countries despite not locking down
Attempt to get herd immunity; estimated 10% in Sweden have Covid antibody but you need around 70% for herd immunity - how many more will get sick and die as they continue their approach?
Deaths affected many elderly in nursing homes, so geezers died which should make you happy
Check out the Oct 6th article in Science. Goes into great detail on how infection and mortality rates in Sweden may be underestimated because sick patients weren’t allowed access to hospitals, among other things.
Yeah you say that but provide no data to back it up.
Sweden DOES NOT have the 5th highest death rate in the world.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortalityEliminate small country outliers and they are 14th.
and they did this by making the error of not protecting their elderly...BUT they had no lockdown, no masks.
Shouldn’t their infection and mortality have ‘exploded’ as you put it? It should be much higher than every other country that had lockdowns and masks, right amirite?
cuz lockdowns and masks WORK, right?
How about today? What’s happening RIGHT NOW in Sweden? No masks no lockdowns limited social distancing - VIRTUALLY NO DEATHS.
HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE? Shouldn’t the virus be exploding with infection and mortality everywhere?
yes I read the article. Everything may be this or may be that. I would argue that if you read the ‘dry tinder’ argument put forth by several researchers ... that’s a much better explanation as to why some places have excess deaths and others don’t. yes - you geezers are technically the dry tinder.
this is just another ILI, one of 200 respiratory infections that we will have to deal with. Forever. 99.96% survival rate.
Or, as some of you male Karen’s prefer - let’s just destroy the world to hide from it.
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12 hours ago, oldmanfan said:
That study with the 80% is being misconstrued. What it really showed is those in restaurants and bars/coffee shops where you have to take your mask off had higher infection rates. I agree on the NYS data; that has always been puzzling.
No. Absolutely no. If what you are saying is to forego masks the infection and mortality rates would skyrocket. You don’t really want that, do you?
Sweden?
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2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:
I am one of the older people and I have patients I see every day. I wear a mask to protect them and they wear masks to protect me. I teach college students every week and we do the same for each other.
You used the phrase protect a bunch of geezers. I’m sure your parents are happy to be thought of that way.
They are geezers and so are you. Welcome to your golden years. Hide in your basement if you see fit. No one is stopping you. Don’t advocate the destruction of the world to protect your generation.
1 hour ago, spartacus said:
per CDC, 2020 total deaths consistent with prior 3 years
what happened to the 200k of "Covid" coded deaths?
seems a whole lot of other deaths have been coded as "covid" deaths due to financials incentives to do so
Do you have a link to those numbers? I was under the impression that excess deaths were higher year over year. Maybe 10% but certainly not enough for us to DESTROY THE ENTIRE GLOBAL ECONOMY....
In addition, the pro lockdown pro mask pandemistas will tell you “imagine how bad it would have been had we not DESTROYED THE ENTIRE WORLD ECONOMY!!!”
just wait for it.
One word: Sweden.
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3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:
So old people have no value. That’s nice. Tell you parents or grandparents.
Who says they don’t have value? I treat older people like the elders they are. With respect. I don’t tell them what to do. They do what they want. My parents are in their 70s. Quite healthy. They are free to be as cautious or as flippant as they choose.
I guess you must really value old people. Like soooo much? Enough that you don’t visit any of them? Or if you are one, do you wear a space suit when someone younger than you appears in your vaunted presence? -
9 hours ago, oldmanfan said:
It is not just a bad flu. The mortality rate is 5-10 times higher, there is no vaccine, and it can be spread by asymptomatic infected persons. Sweden’s trial is proving to be mistaken; their per capita mortality rate is much higher than other European countries.
I’ve already addressed your misconceptions about the study you cite.
The idea of masks is to hold down spread of droplets by the wearer. That has always been a consistent position. What the CDC Director is saying is that if we ALL wear masks right now it would be more effective than a vaccine.
Yoyr approach would kill a lot of people. How many American citizens do you think are expendable? Give me a number. Or maybe the thing to do, since the elderly are more affected, is to pick an age and anyone over that age should just be humanely sacrificed now. What age would you select?
Yeah. That’s a bad flu. By the end of it, IFR might turn out to be closer to 2X seasonal flu. So bloody what. Worth destroying the world Over?
Sweden was right. Their deaths per 100k is less than Italy, Spain, UK, Belgium. All countries that have undergone extreme lockdown. Not to mention are seeing rising second spikes in deaths (Sweden is not).
I guess from your virtue signalling you want to outlaw dying forever. How impoverished does the world have to get to protect our senior citizens? Why do you treat old people like children? Don’t you know they can make the decision for themselves how much risk they want to take? Why should healthy populations be locked down and forced to undergo rigorous psychological revaluations of lifestyle. To protect a bunch of geezers? Please. This has never been done before in history and it will not end well.
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6 hours ago, oldmanfan said:
All these are inaccurate and reflect how scientific investigations take place, especially in a situation like Covid. Many are working and studying the virus, data comes in and as that happens recommendations change as well.
Disagree. All these reflected a ridiculously poor investigation and policy, bordering on a psyop meant to confuse and irritate.
The very best way to have gone about it (in hindsight, though I was saying it from the beginning) would be Sweden plus protect the vulnerable. Which means no masks for virtually everyone, live as normal, reduce large gatherings...
but none of this back and forth nonsense. That’s not science. Oh do this...oh don’t do this...oh change that. That’s just madness.
I mean the Director of the CDC was on TV just last month saying that a paper mask could offer him more protection than a COVID vaccine.
Then a few weeks later the CDC comes out and basically says masks are pretty useless for the wearers.
“CDC guidance on masks has clearly stated that wearing a mask is intended to protect other people in case the mask wearer is infected. At no time has CDC guidance suggested that masks were intended to protect the wearers.”
WHAT?????
Though not the point of this study, 85% in this study who caught The Ro wore their masks always or nearly always.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/pdfs/mm6936a5-H.pdf
It’s just a bad flu bro
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3 hours ago, oldmanfan said:
They were not lying. At the beginning of the pandemic the concern was being sure health care workers had masks, and they did not have the data as to routes of transmission. As the curve flattened and as the science showed that spread is by droplets and aerosols the CDC and others then recommended mask usage to limit spread. You’re a scientist, you know theories and recommendations change as more data and evidence is gained.
And if you go to any good scientific literature data base like PubMed and search for masks and Covid you will find a plethora of studies showing that masks are beneficial in mitigating spread. The data is very solid.
Incorrect.
First they lied and said ‘no masks because they aren’t necessary’then they said ‘no masks because hoarding’
then they said ‘masks because ‘asymptomatic transmission’’ (no direct transmission information)
then they said ‘asymptomatic transmission was very rare’
then they said ‘we don’t know to what extent it asymptomatic transmission happens’.
This is baaaaad science and even worse public policy ... all around.
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3 hours ago, daz28 said:
If your 75 years old, you're 220x more likely to die than someone ages 18-29, so they may feel it's pretty darn serious. If you read a little more closely, you'll see I never said Coronavirus=Ebola. Not even close
From a scientific standpoint that's difficult, because you have to be able to definitively categorize what "early" means, especially because the virus reacts differently with different people
Right but you said that a 70 year old might fear it like Ebola. Well that’s an irrational fear.
if you are 75 you are much more likely to die than a 18-29 year old from virtually anything, including the very fact that tomorrow is another day closer to your death. -
6 minutes ago, daz28 said:
Maybe never. I agree with you about the vaccine, too. The first flu vaccine was discovered in 1938, and we've managed to get a 10-60% effectiveness since then. In 1976 they rushed a swine flu vaccine that made a good number of people very sick(GBS). I think Oldman is right that our best bet is to create treatments. The health care industry will love that, and it will surely make insurance premiums rise. The mask is pretty essential though. Think of it this way, if you knew there was Ebola in the area would you wear one?? To a 70-80 year old person they may fear it like Ebola. People and the economy do have to normalize. Maybe if people would choose take-out instead of sit down. Have a few friends over instead of going to the crowded dive bar. Open theaters, events and gyms, but implement safety measures. Have different school shifts. It's just a fact people may have to compromise, but Americans hate that. Maybe think of it like Great Britain during WW2. People had ration cards. They weren't allowed to get gasoline or have lights on, etc.
but this is not Ebola. Not even close.
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4 hours ago, oldmanfan said:
You are confusing mitigation and absolute prevention. Fauci and all other responsible scientists changed their positions on masks as the understanding of the science and spread of the virus developed and it became clear masks helped prevent droplet transmission. Likely reasons why they have not completely gotten rid of the virus is that not everyone wears them, some do not wear them correctly, and in crowded places with inadequate ventilation the virus spreads more easily.
Wait - you just said they changed their positions on masks because they were lying about it to the public the first time. You know - to flatten the curve?
As a scientist myself, I find that to be odd.
not to mention the good handful of studies that show masks don’t do diddley dick.
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How many times can we run it up the middle? Will 1/20 work?
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15 hours ago, Tiberius said:
So you think you are being deliberately lied to by “The Media”
You are being lied to. If you don’t know it yet, you are an utter moron.
The MSM has been solidly anti Trump since 2015 when he ran as a Republican.
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7 hours ago, Kemp said:
I didn't expect serious answers.
I wasn't disappointed.
Back to the topic, for a sec.
If Biden wins and Trump disputes it without proof, will you back Trump?
Don't answer. We already know the answer. People who support criminals are garbage.Why do you support a racist?
are you a racist?
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9 hours ago, Kemp said:
You didn't answer my 1st question.
You ignored my question as to why there are so many connections to Russia among Trump associates. You think it's a series of coincidences? Don't be afraid to answer.
I’m not on trial. It’s a stupid question. There was no Russia scandal from the Trump side. It was strictly from the Obama, HRC, DNC side. Period.
Remember when he said he only hires the best people?
Roger Stone-Convicted of a crime (Nothing to do with Russian collusion or conspiracy with respect to the 2016 election)Paul Manafort-Convicted of a crime. (See above)
Michael Cohen-Convicted of a crime(See above)
Michael Flynn-Convicted of a crime.(See above)Rick Gates-Convicted of a crime.(See above)
George Nader-Convicted of a crime(See above)
George Papadapoulus-Convicted of a crime
(See above)
Most of those above were charged in things involved with Russia. More coincidences?
Things involved with Russia? You need to read more.
He wouldn't answer questions in an investigation where he did nothing wrong? Innocent people aren't afraid of testifying.
(Ask General Flynn that question)
Why do you believe that despite being subpoenaed, some refused to testify?
like who specifically?
Barr, Stone, McGahn, Hicks, etc,. Do you have any idea what you're talking about at all?(Because it’s Kabuki Dem theatre. Why bother?)
You don't care that Trump believes the dictaor, Putin, instead of his own employees. You don't care that Trump is hiding something from the American government and people. Is it because you are Russian?Are you Chinese?
You are asking such stupid questions that either you must be a communist or just being a troll. Which is it?
You didn't answer why Trump wouldn't reveal his taxes. Why?
it’s not important. Why is it important to you?
You didn't answer why Trump won't reveal his medical records.Why?
it’s not important. Why is it important to you?Yes, there's only one video of Trump belittling someone with a handicap. How many videos would it take to bother you?
He was belittling a stupid reporter asking stupid questions. It would take much more than that to bother me. I’m sure you were hysterically fainting on your couch when you watched that gif.
Trump has told only small, hyperbolic lies? Really?Yes. All the below are small and hyperbolic.
Some small lies he's told:
In the wake of the Stoneman Douglas High School massacre, in which 17 people were killed, Trump cast his mind back to the 2016 mass shooting in the Pulse nightclub in Orlando.“You take Pulse nightclub,” he said during a televised meeting with members of Congress. “If you had one person in that room that could carry a gun and knew how to use it, it wouldn’t have happened, or certainly to the extent that it did.”
In fact, a uniformed and armed off-duty police officer, with 15 years experience with the Orlando Police Department, was working security that night. He exchanged gunfire with the perpetrator. Despite the bravery of Officer Adam Gruler, and the quick response of his colleagues, 49 people were killed.
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Speaking at a rally just over a week after a series of terrorist attacks in Paris and its surrounds left 131 people dead, Trump told the crowd: “Hey, I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down. And I watched in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering.”
He repeated his comments during an interview with George Stephanopoulos on ABC’s “This Week”: “I know it might be not politically correct for you to talk about it, but there were people cheering as that building came down, as those buildings came down. And that tells you something. It was well covered at the time, George. Now, I know they don’t like to talk about it, but it was well covered at the time. There were people over in New Jersey that were watching it, a heavy Arab population, that were cheering as the buildings came down. Not good.”
As the Washington Post pointed out at the time, the exchange demonstrates the difficulty of fact-checking Trump. The police said it didn’t happen, yet he insisted he saw it. Despite extensive examinations of news reports, no visual evidence has ever been found to support the claim. Curiously, there are also no examples of Trump expressing this opinion at the time of the attacks or at any stage before the rally.
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The President has recognized that an anti-abortion stance plays well with his voting base. Addressing a rally in Green Bay, he told the crowd that with late-term abortion “the mother meets with the doctor. They take care of the baby, they wrap the baby beautifully. And then the doctor and the mother determine whether or not they will execute the baby”.
Late-term abortions are rare and generally only occur due to a threat to the mother’s life or if the child has fatal abnormalities. Where a baby is born, and dies due to severe abnormalities, parents and doctors make a decision whether to resuscitate or not. This is not the execution of a healthy, or even viable child.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reports that 1.4 per cent of abortions occur after 21 weeks (out of a standard 40-week pregnancy). According to the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, less than one per cent of abortions occur in the third trimester and almost exclusively occur in the most extreme situations.
“Allowing to die does happen,” said Arthur Caplan, a bioethicist at New York University Langone Medical Center, but “very rarely — say, a baby born with no lungs at 20 weeks”.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------A year into his presidency, Trump told a West Palm Beach crowd: “You know, one of the things that people don’t understand — we have signed more legislation than anybody. We broke the record of Harry Truman.”
Not quite. According to govtracks.us, the President actually passed the least amount of legislation in the first year of anyone elected to the office since World War II. Trump signed off on 96 laws in the period, while Truman racked up 126 in his first 100 days alone. John F Kennedy takes the record at the one-year mark with 684 signed bills.
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Trump’s vitriol should have been directed at his own administration when he tweeted: “Put pressure on the Democrats to end the horrible law that separates children from there [sic] parents once they cross the Border into the US.”
He was still peddling this lie a year later. In an interview on Telemundo in June, he claimed: “When I became president, President Obama had a separation policy. I didn’t have it. He had it. I brought the families together. I’m the one that put them together.”
There was no specific law under the Democratic administration of Barack Obama to separate children from their parents. It did occur occasionally when the parents were charged with a crime and placed in custody, due to a policy of not imprisoning children. However, illegal immigrants were rarely prosecuted and instead held in family detention centres under Obama, while under Trump the Homeland Security Department now refers all illegal border crossings for prosecution.
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Following his against-the-odds win in the 2016 presidential election, Trump tweeted: “In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally.”
The Electoral College result was a resounding win, but not a landslide. In fact, the margin of victory ranked just 46th out of 58 presidential elections. Trump had 56.9 per cent of the college. Washington had 100 per cent twice, Ronald Reagan picked up 97.6 per cent, and even fellow impeachment-target Richard Nixon garnered 96.65 per cent of votes.
In terms of the popular vote, by the official results the President lost by just under three million to Hillary Clinton, the largest margin of any presidential election ever. There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud, certainly not to the extent of explaining such a deficit. Trump even established the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity, chaired by Vice President Mike Pence, but it was unable to confirm any irregularities and was disbanded before it could hand down such a finding.
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The most significant legislative success of the current administration was the passing of US$1.5 trillion in tax cuts, which among other things lowered company tax rates from 35 per cent to 21 per cent, and reducing the alternative minimum tax, which is designed to guarantee that high-income earners with significant deductions still pay a minimum amount of tax.
Trump, the only modern president not to have released his tax returns, told reporters that his plan was for the working people and not people like him. “No, I don’t benefit. I don’t benefit. In fact, very, very strongly, as you see, I think there’s very little benefit for people of wealth.”
The President expanded in a speech in St Charles on November 29: “This is going to cost me a fortune, this thing — believe me. Believe me, this is not good for me.”
Without access to Trump’s tax returns it is impossible to know exactly how the tax cuts would affect him — maybe he’s about to declare bankruptcy, as he has six times in his business dealings. Writing the day after his original claim, a New York Times analysis found: “President Trump could cut his tax bills by more than $1.1 billion, including saving tens of millions of dollars in a single year.”
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He will have a great health plan for America.
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He will have a huge infrastructure bill, etc,. etc,.
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Trump didn't say that the only way Biden can win is if it's crooked? He didn't refuse to say he would abide by a peaceful transition if he lost? Have you ever even visited reality?
Biden just said the same thing today - that Trump can only win if there is chicanery. Biden and his team of lawyers are planning to contest any election result that doesn’t put his bedpan in the White House. You are lost.
Noted that you avoided dealing with two questions in regards to Trump being a con artist. Not even Trump supporters can attempt to refute that.
Crimes he has committed (You can stop waiting)
The Emoluments ClauseStealing from charity
Stealing from emplotees
Stealing from contractors
cool - why isn’t he in jail?
9 hours ago, Kemp said:By refusing to testify and blocking others from testifying, he has postponed the ineviatable, but that dam will break soon enough.
Unless he becomes America's official dictator. If he does, you will be one of the ignorant who supports his putting you under his thumb.
This is such a stupid comment. You must be peeing your pants scared! Lol!
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On 10/7/2020 at 12:58 PM, Kemp said:
1) True
2) What are you referring to, specifically?
Do you think it's a coincidence that so many Trump associates have been involved with Russia? That's indisputable, by the way.
and none charged with any crime related to the election. Not one.
Why do you believe Trump refused to answer questions in the investigation?
Why should he? He has executive privilege and the Leftists would use anything he said against him no matter what it was.
Why do you believe that despite being subpoenaed, some refused to testify?
like who specifically?
Why do you believe Trump didn't allow a translator when he spoke to Putin?
who cares? Are you still on with the Trump Putin thing? Trump has wrecked Russia. Actions speak louder than words.
Why do you believe Trump won't reveal his taxes?
you saw them. No crimes. And who cares. IRS sees them every year.
Why do you believe we can't see Trump's medical records?
what do you think you will find?
Do you like that he belittles the handicapped?Daily? Or do you use the one video where he was mocking someone who happened to have a disability.
Does it bother you that no politician in American history has told more lies than he has?
small hyperbolic lies mostly. And so no.
Does it bother you that he has stated that he will not accept a loss in the election? Isn't that what dictators do?
untrue. But your side specifically said they would never concede. That cool with you?
If he does so and holds onto power, will you support him as your dictator?
So silly. But if he loses I hope he does Biden like Obama did him.
You know he has pulled numerous cons on banks and investors, and employees.
You know he's a con man based on his stealing from a charity and his phony university, so why is it you have no intellectual curiosity in regards to his trying to suppress other parts of his life.?
you must think you could write a biography on Trump. You can’t.
You know he's a criminal, yet you are not bothered by that. Why? Because of abortion, which you know he doesn't care about?
list the crimes he has committed. I’ll wait.
What would it take for you to wonder what Trump is up to?Is it all about the ends justifies the means?
is that a rhetorical question or just a stupid one?
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6 hours ago, TBBills said:
2 of the three will probably come crashing back down to earth... Which two, I have no idea.
Burrows first challenge of the year is coming today, before that he played bad teams.
And I doubt Jefferson gonna keep up his crazy start.
Also Let's go Raiders!!!
Bite your tongue young man. I got JJ in the 14th round of my fantasy draft. Steal!!!
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Watch Tyler Johnson, WR for BUCs. Rookie from Minnesota ... he was my favorite WR coming out of the draft. Pro ready. Haven’t watched him yet this year but should get more snaps.
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Joe Biden is a racist useless senile doddering moron who did not do a damn thing in half a century in government.
Now his lifeless masked body is being dragged across the finish line by Marxists and the MSM.But yeah, go ahead and vote for him.
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On page 666 I just came to say Satan.....atanatan?
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13 hours ago, Tiberius said:
She had corona?
What type of argument is that? You are no Sherlock Anything. He asked questions that were relevant, pertinent and revealing. You question is a silly partisan screech
Walking pneumonia. And several episodes of mental ######ation
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3 hours ago, Buftex said:
Of course he will pull through...being exposed as a bigger pile of ***** than ever..and you sychophants will lap it up.
I know it will disappoint you if he were to pull through. We know this.
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Funny to watch Libs lying their arses off in this thread.
They are positively giddy about Trump having covid.
Also, watching them go back and forth over hoax/no hoax is brilliant.
When he pulls through (and odds are high he will) will be hilarious to watch their heads positively explode.
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Just now, Q-baby! said:
Unfortunately for the country, when the president speaks, people listen. Trump is responsible for many deaths. You heard the truth after the fact, just like the rest (well, not the dead ones.)
Yes all those people in NY and NJ and MA were listening to Trump.
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The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19
in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
Posted · Edited by Bakin
Sorry - let’s keep San Marino and Andorra.
And that puts Sweden 16th. Happy? Proves my argument even better. Thanks.
you were saying they are 5th?
mortality and infection higher than most every country?
They are 16th.
With NO MASKS and NO LOCKDOWN.
Why do you feel the need to make up data to prove a point?
PROVE IT!