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9 hours ago, Big Blitz said:
We didn't have a sack. We didn't get close to Tannehill.
We got close to Tannehill over and over. Titans O-Line was holding all night and only got called for it once. And on the play it was actually called it was a phantom call.
Even on the first drive the Refs assisted the Titans with a no call for holding. Jerry hughes was about to sack tanny on the first 3rd down of the game and instead got held. Tanny converts. If the Refs call the hold the titans end up punting from deep in their own end zone. Probably cost the bills 20 yards of field position, which potentially turns that opening drive FG into a TD.
Small things like that keep happening and add up to a loss by a couple of inches in the 4th quarter.
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7 hours ago, McBean said:
Brutal fkn loss
You keep trotting Singletary out there then yeah, you’re right.
He’s terrible .
Moss was the one who was terrible last night. Seemed like every time we went to Moss the drive died. Moss was pathetic on the INT, he jumped in the air in panic and took himself out of the play, when he was in perfect position to either make the catch or break up the int.
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I think EJ gets a bad rap for being over drafted. If he had been drafted in the 3rd round as a developmental Qb like he was graded and then thrust into the starting job as a rookie due to injuries to the real starting QB we would have thought he did pretty good.
EJ has most of the Bills Franchise records for rookie QBs passing stats and he played 2 fewer games than Josh in their respective rookie seasons.
If EJ had been drafted and developed by McDermott and Daboll his career could have turned out very differently. Instead, Nix reached and took him 2 rounds early in the 1st and EJ got thrown to the wolves with little support from the franchise with a head coaching change 2 years in. Marrone -> Rex.
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A rushing defender is prohibited from forcibly hitting in the knee area or below a passer who has one or both feet on the ground, even if the initial contact is above the knee. It is not a foul if the defender is blocked (or fouled) into the passer and has no opportunity to avoid him.
Both of Mahomes feet were in the air. So why was the Oliver hit a penalty?
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1 hour ago, mattynh said:
Agree with you, force is irrelevant per the wording of the rule for the reason you cited. I did not catch his feet in the air during the game, I assumed at least one was on the ground. If I understand the rules (which I may not) you cannot hit the passer in the knees forcibly whether "on time" or not unless you are blocked into him.
Correct, or if the passers feet were not on the ground.
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6 minutes ago, mattynh said:
Forcibly is subjective so that gets decided by the ref, not a Bills fan....I think it qualifies. But I agree on the feet on the ground aspect, initial contact happened with feet in the air. That is an interesting part of the rule, doubt the ref was looking for that.
The amount of force is subjective, but luckily in this case it's entirely irrelevant as both feet were in the air, which is not subjective. Edit: Which makes this a legal hit as the hit was both on time and Mahomes was in the air, making the contact with the knees irrelevant.
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40 minutes ago, mattynh said:
I think Clark was guilty of RTP based on the bolded below. When they started with the enhanced RTP, the driving to the ground was a point of emphasis, you can make conact in the strike zone but you need to try and not drive them to the ground. It is tough to be a defender these days but I think Clark could have and should have eased off. I think it was a flag but dont think he is dirty or anything. The crew calling the game does not know the rule.
https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/roughing-the-passer/
A rushing defender is prohibited from committing such intimidating and punishing acts as “stuffing” a passer into the ground or unnecessarily wrestling or driving him down after the passer has thrown the ball, even if the rusher makes his initial contact with the passer within the one-step limitation provided for in (a) above. When tackling a passer who is in a defenseless posture (e.g., during or just after throwing a pass), a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down or land on top of him with all or most of the defender’s weight. Instead, the defensive player must strive to wrap up the passer with the defensive player’s arms and not land on the passer with all or most of his body weight.
Also, this is why Oliver was guilty
A rushing defender is prohibited from forcibly hitting in the knee area or below a passer who has one or both feet on the ground, even if the initial contact is above the knee. It is not a foul if the defender is blocked (or fouled) into the passer and has no opportunity to avoid him.
Oliver was not guilty. Read what you posted again, "forcibly hitting in the knee area or below a passer who has one or both feet on the ground". Mahomes had both feet in the air so hitting him in the knees was perfectly legal.
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Tired of this narrative that both RTP's were bad calls and that the refs equally sucked for both teams.
https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/roughing-the-passer/
https://twitter.com/MarkEnnis/status/1447408923615576068?s=20
Roughing the Mahomes was called on #91 Ed Oliver. Despite the words coming out of Collinsworth's useless mouth the hit was neither late or illegal for "below or at the knees"
1. The hit was not late as defined by the rule. Oliver had launched himself while Mahomes still had the ball and makes contact without taking any steps after the ball was released. "The Referee will use the release of the ball from the passer’s hand as his guideline that the passer is now fully protected; once a pass has been released by a passer, a rushing defender may make direct contact with the passer only up through the rusher’s first step after such release"
2. The hit area was not illegal, Mahomes was in the air with neither foot on the ground, and Oliver was being "blocked/fouled" into a lower point of attack by the O-line(Oliver was held by the chiefs o-lineman and sort of tackled from behind). "A rushing defender is prohibited from forcibly hitting in the knee area or below a passer who has one or both feet on the ground, even if the initial contact is above the knee. It is not a foul if the defender is blocked (or fouled) into the passer and has no opportunity to avoid him".
#50 Rousseau also hit Mahomes on this play, and was technically late as he takes 2 steps. He was also blocked/fouled from behind by the chiefs o-line. Roussea basically just loosely wrapped up Mahomes's legs from behind and bumps his head into Mahomes butt. Not enough force or violence to it to constitute a penalty
This was called holding 1 play before the roughing on Allen.
https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1447416098446401537?s=20https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1447417193654734850?s=20
There was an egregious missed holding call favoring the Bills on this play before the roughing takes place, can't find a clip of it. Guess the refs decided to let it go after the phantom holding on the previous play?
1. The hit was late. Clark takes one step after Allen released the pass and makes contact with Allen(legal). He then takes a 2nd step to start to drive Allen into the ground(Late, illegal).2. Clark illegally drove Allen into the ground and also landed on top of him with his bodyweight "When tackling a passer who is in a defenseless posture (e.g., during or just after throwing a pass), a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down or land on top of him with all or most of the defender’s weight. Instead, the defensive player must strive to wrap up the passer with the defensive player’s arms and not land on the passer with all or most of his body weight."
3. #97 also dog piles onto Allen's legs 2-3 steps after Allen had released the pass. Not much force involved, but way late and unnecessary.
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https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/roughing-the-passer/
https://twitter.com/MarkEnnis/status/1447408923615576068?s=20
Roughing the Mahomes was called on #91 Ed Oliver. Despite the words coming out of Collinsworth's useless mouth the hit was neither late or illegal for "below or at the knees"
1. The hit was not late as defined by the rule. Oliver had launched himself while Mahomes still had the ball and makes contact without taking any steps after the ball was released. "The Referee will use the release of the ball from the passer’s hand as his guideline that the passer is now fully protected; once a pass has been released by a passer, a rushing defender may make direct contact with the passer only up through the rusher’s first step after such release"
2. The hit area was not illegal, Mahomes was in the air with neither foot on the ground, and Oliver was being "blocked/fouled" into a lower point of attack by the O-line(Oliver was held by the chiefs o-lineman and sort of tackled from behind). "A rushing defender is prohibited from forcibly hitting in the knee area or below a passer who has one or both feet on the ground, even if the initial contact is above the knee. It is not a foul if the defender is blocked (or fouled) into the passer and has no opportunity to avoid him".
#50 Rousseau also hit Mahomes on this play, and was technically late as he takes 2 steps. He was also blocked/fouled from behind by the chiefs o-line. Roussea basically just loosely wrapped up Mahomes's legs from behind and bumps his head into Mahomes butt. Not much force or violence too it
This was called holding 1 play before the roughing on Allen.
https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1447416098446401537?s=20https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1447417193654734850?s=20
There was an egregious missed holding call favoring the Bills on this play before the roughing takes place, can't find a clip of it. Guess the refs decided to let it go after the phantom holding on the previous play?
1. The hit was late. Clark takes one step after Allen released the pass and makes contact with Allen(legal). He then takes a 2nd step to start to drive Allen into the ground(Late, illegal).2. Clark illegally drove Allen into the ground and also landed on top of him with his bodyweight "When tackling a passer who is in a defenseless posture (e.g., during or just after throwing a pass), a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down or land on top of him with all or most of the defender’s weight. Instead, the defensive player must strive to wrap up the passer with the defensive player’s arms and not land on the passer with all or most of his body weight."
3. #97 also dog piles onto Allen's legs 2-3 steps after Allen had released the pass. Not much force involved, but way late and unnecessary.
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16 hours ago, Artem Lipatov said:
Last year Brady proved he could win SB with any coach without genius BB. BB proved he’s below average without Brady
Brady hasn't won anything without being surrounded by HOF level talent on offense and defense. As soon as the talent level around him in NE dropped he bolted to the most talented team in the NFL who just also happened to need a QB.
Belichick had an uncanny ability to draft good players late in every round of the draft and then morph his game plan to play to his players strengths. Some years the pats had a dominant defense, sometimes it was the offense, sometimes it was both. Sometimes they'd be a run heavy team, sometimes they'd be a pass defending team. He game planned into whatever maximized the talent on the roster that season, and could even change it up based on opponent game in and game out. After 20 years the talent pool finally ran dry and the wheels fell off, and Brady jumped ship.
Brady at his peak wasn't good enough to beat Eli Manning in the Superbowl... twice. Brady won all of his Superbowls either before or after his peak. Strange that the "goat" couldn't win it all at his best, but was carried by his team on multiple other occasions.
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8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
I'm hampered by "No All-22" and the new Gamepass interface which, unless I'm missing something, has no ability to go directly to different plays. It sucks.
That said, I'm halfway through a detailed re-watch of the game and I'm here to say that I see a BUTTLOAD of pressure still.
There were 3 throw aways under pressure and a batted pass - that's 25% of the passes thrown in the first half. Of the 16 throws, I consider Allen under pressure in half of them.
Now I'll say right here that it's not the whole story - there were 2 high throws and a pick, and there was an additional throw I would call a bad decision. Two were not thrown under pressure and 2 were. So that's 25% of the passes thrown in the first half.
A number of the 7 completions lacked pressure only because they were quick passes. There was one completion on a deep pass.
So I would say that while it wasn't the complete and total jailbreak of the Pitt game, there was still a lot of pressure and Allen wasn't running for his life trying to pass as much because he was either getting the ball out quickly, or he was just running.
See, I disagree with a lot of the take here (see above). I think pass rush was still a concern, and I don't understand how someone could watch the game and think it wasn't. There were poor throws - a high throw and the pick - that were NOT thrown under pressure. Rashoman-like! Most of the first half completions had no pressure only because they were quick throws.
I said elsewhere and will repeat here, one objective stat is the 'pocket time" metric on pro-football-reference. It was 2.6 seconds last year, and is 1.2 seconds so far this year. Pressure is an issue. Hopefully all the running we did this game will help.
However....you may be "on" to something about the impact of Sanders.
Diggs 13 receptions on 21 targets, 62%
Beasley 12 receptions on 17 targets, 71%
Sanders 6 receptions on 14 targets, 43%
He's not being targeted more than Diggs or Sanders, but he's getting a lot of targets and catching less of them, and I would say that Allen's timing with him is just off.
I'd like to see Gabe Davis getting that target share that Sanders is currently receiving. I know Gabe hasn't been healthy, but once he's back to 100% he should be our #3, he proved himself in that role last year. Sanders should be a great #4, but he's really letting us down so far as a #3.
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4 hours ago, Kwai San said:
As a 58 yo I guess I am a Boomer.....after me came Millenials? Gen Z? What time span we talking here - Boomers were what 30 some odd years?
Bottom line the kid realizes there is more to life than football. Right or wrong that doesn't detract his talent. But it does detract his fire. Will the competitive juices burn in the parity of the NFL? No more cupcake games, well unless you play the Jests but seriously the fun and games are over now. You are playing for a paycheck and the expectations/pressures are higher. How will TL respond to the that kind of adversity and the fact that his team sucks and they will lose more than they will win. And after the game he isn't surrounded by throngs of well wishers and hangers on. Nope now he gets eviscerated for that pick he threw or that sack he took.
Motivation .....it ain't taught ....it is in you or not.
My vote....a so so QB who is gone sooner rather than later.
You're one of the youngest boomers. You probably have more in common with the older cohort of Gen X than you do with your fellow boomers. 1946-1964 Boomers, 65-80 Gen X. Millenials 81-96. GenZ 96-2012.
These dates aren't exact, just broadly accepted.
Eli Manning drafted in 2004 was the first time a Millennial was Picked #1 in the draft.
Edit: Ricky Williams is GenX
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Yes.
The 90's SB losses and the music city illegal forward pass were soul crushing and I haven't recovered and never will.
The Jax game was embarrassing and made it clear we had no business being in the playoffs and made me question if McD was a good enough coach. There was no expectation for future success after that game, if anything there was more doubt.
The Texans game again made me question if we deserved to be there after a cream puff schedule, was McD good enough, and was Allen good enough. And again just like after jax I had more doubts than hopes.
After that loss to KC I was already looking forward to the offseason and next year. There was no bitter disappointment or doubt anymore. Allen and McD have proven they are for real and can grow. Although the AFCCG stage was too big for them this year, they've gained that experience and will be able to handle it next time.
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3 minutes ago, CaliBills said:
Where did his head hit anything?
There is no indication his head hit anything.
If anything he got chocked out.
A concussion is when your brain slams into your skull, your skull slamming into something external is not required, but is common. Watch that play at full speed and watch how fast his head whips down. He's concussed.
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It’s too windy and Josh is too amped to keep taking these deep shots. Just take more of the 10-15 yard passes that we’ve been converting all game.
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On 12/9/2020 at 1:50 PM, Back the Blue said:
F any Pittsburgh fan in their mid 50’s and up who are whining..
Since 1970...
2 WS Titles
3 Stanley Cups
6 SB Championships.
All I ask for is ONE.
You forgot 2 Stanley cups. They won 2 with Mario in the 90’s and 3 with Crosby.
5 Cups
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5 hours ago, Big Blitz said:
They're going to likely have Pouncey and Conner back. That's been a big reason for their struggles the last 2 games.
Ben has only been sacked 10 times this year. We have to cover.
But as usual in mid December Buffalo the X Factor. Forecast already saying 25 mph wind and freezing rain turning to snow.
Ben has far more experience in inclement weather games than Josh. I’d think bad weather would favor the Steelers. The last time we played the Steelers in the snow at home Leveon Bell had 236 yards on us and Ben threw 3 ints
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1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:
Where are the 3 and outs? Winning franchises are allowed to prevent the opposing teams from scoring at will in the 3rd Q blowing big leads.
You're basically saying that it's up to the Offense to make up for blown leads by the D in the second half.
Against the Dolphins, the Bills had a modest lead going into the 4th Q (again, agaisnt the Dolphins). In the 4th Q, the O scored 14 more points. The D, however, gave up 15 points in the 4th--the Dolphins comeback only dying on a failed onside kick. The Bills scored 31 points.
Against the Rams, the Bills held a 28-3 lead until under 6 minutes into the 3rd Q. In 15 minutes, they gave up 29 points. Allen leads the winning comeback drive ( a comeback...after leading by 25 points late in the 3rd!!). Bills score 35 points.
Against NE they were trading TDs against Cam Newton and NE scrubs. It took a FF by Zimmer to stop a game tying/winning drive by a team that should have been blown out.
And then of course the Cards. Another sizeable lead later in the game evaporated. Bills comeback to take the lead. Defense lets Murray scramble all over the field until he throws the perfect hail mary. Bill score 32.
So in each game where the D struggled, the Bills averaged 30.5 points scored. Daboll can't figure out how to make a running game work (save for 1 game), I'll give you that. But this D can't hold a lead.
I'm saying it's on the offense to burn a lottttt more clock in the second half and stop giving the opposing O short fields. You don't need your O to keep scoring after you have the lead if they can burn clock.
Like the Rams game, look at the Bills offensive possessions after taking the 28-3 lead, and before the game winning drive.
2 plays -8 yards, 0:34
3 plays 0 yards 1:35
6 plays 27 yards 3:09
Turn the first 2 of those into 5 minute drives where the Bills don't even score and the game is over. 28-25 Bills win.
Look at the Arizona game after going up 23-9
3 plays 6 yards 1:09
3 plays 14 yards 1:52
6 plays 5 yards 3:17
4 plays 8 yards 2:37
1 play 0 yards :07
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1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:
They gave up 17 points in 1/2 of the 3rd Q, wiping out a 2 TD lead. If the D is "gassed" in the 3rd Q after a nice halftime rest, it's a problem...
When the Bills offense can't sustain a drive and goes 3 and out or turns the ball over every possession they're essentially giving the opposing offense unlimited possession of the ball. The Bills end up essentially on defense for the entire 3rd and 4th quarters. When you give the opposing offense unlimited time they are going to score.
This team needs to figure out how to sustain long drives in the 2nd half. They don't even need to score, just drain the clock. That's what winning franchise's do, they get a lead and then they keep the ball so the other team can't come back. Where are the 8 minute 15 play drives in the 3rd or 4th quarter when we have a lead? Instead we use up 45 seconds and give the ball back to the other team.
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4 hours ago, OrtonHearsaWho said:
One call...er, non call...that started things getting away from us was on the long punt return. A blocker - right next to the returner - had a handful of jersey for a not insignificant amount of time
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I was yelling HOLDING at the TV for this. The Titan got his hand inside our gunners armpit and was yanking him away. I couldn't believe they didn't call it.
Offensive holding on the O-Line is apparently no longer a penalty on either team.
The refs were decidedly in Tennessee's favor, not that it mattered, The Bills shot themselves in the dick so many times there was basically no way they win this game. But at least it wouldn't have been a blow out if the reffing was better.
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On 1/29/2019 at 8:45 PM, White Linen said:
I consider what you posted earlier and above linked. The most dangerous thing we can get ourselves involved is believing our thoughts are truth.
Who decides what's moral and what isn't?
You mock the generation or two before you - yet they've had more success with marriage. The young people of today lecture the past yet things are clearly worse.
But divorce rates are in decline. Young people are having more success with marriage than previous generations. Boomers and Gen X are the 2 worst generations of all time when it comes to divorce. Millennials are bringing the numbers back down.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/state-marriage-rates-90-95-99-17.pdf
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Did everyone forget Rian Lindell??
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Cousins is on pace to beat all of Jim Kelly's career passing stats. Different eras and all that, but saying he doesn't have HOF potential is a little short sighted. He put up 10 QB numbers this year with no team around him.
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Cousins has been a top 10 QB in the league all 4 seasons he has played. He was top 3 last year. He has never had a strong supporting cast. The redskins are a bottom 5 team without cousins. He has carried them and made them look a lot better than they are. Cousins made DeSean Jackon and Peirre Garcon look good, not the other way around.
If the Redskins let Cousins go they are looking at a 2-3 win team next season, unless they pull another top 10 qb out of nowhere like they did with Kirk.
Rank The Buffalo Bills Starting QB’s Since Jim Kelly
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Flutie was a lot less effective as the 1999 season wore on. The book was out on Flutie by that point, opposing defenses had figured him out and really limited him.
That said was RJ really a better option than a solved Flutie? I'd say marginally, his ceiling was higher than Fluties. And RJ did walk off the field with the lead.