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19: R1P19OT JACK CONKLINMICHIGAN STATEI dont like going RT in round 1, but I do think in the league today RT is gaining ground on LT value wise and having watched the AFC Champ. and Superbowl again recently, RT is as important as ever on the offensive line. Conklin should eliminate RT concerns and start day 1. FYI: I started the Jon Runyan comps.
Just so you know.... This pick was tough with A. Robinson and K. Dodd in contention, but Conklin seems like a Rex Ryan kinda guy.
49: R2P18OLB KAMALEI CORREABOISE STATEHaving Hughes coming off the right edge and Correa off the left is a potential fierce edge rush combination. Correa could go has high as the first round but is more of a project than the media is recognizing, needing significant strength, coverage and counter move development. He has immediate pass rush impact on pass downs with twitchy-ness and athleticism off the edge. Coaching is going to go a long way with Correa.80: R3P17S KEANU NEALFLORIDANeal is certainly a physical trend setter coming out of the secondary, he certainly has eye discipline and on-field control issues as well. Neal has all the physical tools to be successful, can he harness his inner beast? can he be more than a box safety? Certainly a Rex Ryan type of player and this spot should be about his floor.117: R4P19WR KOLBY LISTENBEETCUListenbee is a deep threat and that is his trick, but he's good at it. Listenbee may develop into a #2 in time but for now he comes in and draws coverage on 3rd and long complimenting Sammy and keeping R. Woods as the #2 who can shift inside when the offense spreads out on passing downs.139: R4P41DT D.J. READERCLEMSONThis pick makes too much sense, so it in all likely hood will not happen, but Reader looks like the perfect NT for this defense, plus he went to Clemson, which off course is in the ACC++, and he was available.156: R5P17S JUSTIN SIMMONSBOSTON COLLEGESimmons has the long term potential to start at FS, the ability to make plays on the back end and drop down to cover bigger TE's and WR's, combine that with solid instincts and ball skills and you cant go wrong in the 5th round. ACC++.192: R6P17ILB ELANDON ROBERTSHOUSTONAs El Bandito grows on me, so does historic man crush; Elandon Roberts. Roberts is physical and like Keanu Neal can be too aggressive at times, Roberts however has good range to the boundry sideline and almost to the field sideline. Im not sold on his CoD skills and coverage ability, but at ILB his leadership skills and instincts are top notch and worthy of being drafted with his better than perceived athletic ability.218: R6P43QB BRANDON ALLENARKANSASWith Hogan and Doughty off the board in the couple picks before this, Allen was the best option left and a quality one at that. Boom. -
I have been moving him up my board weekly, IMO one of the most under rated players in the draft, top 12 for me right now and ahead of Reed, Robinson and Rankins. I think he'd be a huge impact playmaker in the middle of our defensive line. I like him more than Buckner. Elite NFL power already, I like the thought of taking Reader later, but Billings in the first should be an option for this team.
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I have seen a few now that have Artie Burns still there in the 4th or 5th.... there is absolutely no chance. I have a high 2nd round grade on him, I'd not be surprised if he went late in the first and I'd be shocked if he still there by the time the 3rd round starts.
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What kind of truck does he drive?
A Powdermobile?
Da-Dum Tshh....
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Walter Football lists the top 3-4 NTs as, in this order:
Kenny Clark
Jarran Reed
A'Shawn Robinson
Vernon Butler
Sheldon Rankins
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2016positionreviewDT.php#IA0ctZp2AA4yAgrv.99
Reed is listed as best 5-tech and best run defender. If he is there, that's a good fit.
He goes to the Bills in RD3 in this week's DraftTek mock.
How is Andrew Billings not number 1, much less not on this list?
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Matt Miller @nfldraftscout 2h2 hours ago
#Houston LB Elandon Roberts Pro Day results: 5-11 234 Bench - 25 Vertical - 37 40 - 4.51/4.49 Broad -9'9/10.0
Outstanding...just as I hoped
Thats a really good day, any word on cone/shuttle/position drill results?
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tell me your pick. and why, if you would be so kind.
I do not know much, but its seems Rex could find a run down nose later on in the draft as compared to at 19. Which is another reason i hope very much for trade down opportunity
My pick at 19 if it were all roses would be Myles Jack, more realistically Darron Lee, but I dont think he'll be there either at this point. Ideally, my pick at 19 is a LB who can cover, a thumper like Ragland is like you said about a nose, better served by addressing it later in the draft.
After that it would depend on who's still on the board. If (little to no chance IMO) Goff or Wentz is there, I'd take'm in heart beat, especially Wentz. If DL value is there and nothing else, it depends, Billings could play the nose and he has 3rd down ability, I would consider him at 19 depending on who's left only because he can provide a interior rush and 2 gap, freeing Dareus and Williams up. Jarron Reed I'd consider, he has decent 3rd down upside (similar effect on 99 and 95). Vernon Butler is a movable player along the DL and would be a good rotational guy year 1, starter when 95 moves on or gets injured. Rankins who I think will be long gone, but should he fall I would grab, but as a replacement for 95 and rotational guy outside of the nose. I really like the thought of grabbing DJ Reader in the 4th round area to be the future nose, not as much 3rd down potential but he allows 99 and 95 to attack more in base D, 3rd down (sliding them inside more) and run downs.
Depending on who's available, trading down is a good option IMO as well.
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He said he wants to hit 30 strength lifts and run in the mid 4.5's, though I'm really more interested in his shuttle times and 3-cone.
The shuttle and cone times would certainly help make a case for potential coverage wise and stock overall if they are good. Ill be interesting to see his 40 time as well actually, I wasnt sold on him side line to side line, especially into the field side line from I have seen. No questions regarding heart and intangibles, coaches seem to love him from what I have read.
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I have Lee rated at 13th overall right now, and I do indeed have him going to Atlanta (they pick at 17 though).
Side note: I've had today circled on my calendar for a while now...Houston's pro day. We get to see what kind of numbers my boy Elandon Roberts can put up.
Atlanta to me is a perfect marriage of skill set and scheme fit, makes too much sense to me.
Re: Elandon Roberts - I am going to try to watch him vs. FSU in the next couple weeks, saw Navy, the guy certainly plays with intensity, can be a heat seeking missle inbetween the tackles, can also lunge too much and miss, good job getting off blocks and working through the trash, not sold on cover skills, but would be nice mid-late round addition as a ILB and leader IMO. He is moving up my board, it'll be interesting to me to see what comes out of his pro day today.
he is visiting the Falcons today, actually
Lol, shocking!!
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Best - Tunsil (1a) and Ramsey (1b)
Bust - Will Fuller (terribly over rated because of his combine 40 time)
Sleeper - Artie Burns (Ronald Darby w/longer arms and bigger hands, raw technique that is coachable and athleticism that is not.)
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Lee is my #7 rated overall player in this draft, which I know is high but most of the analysts I follow have him rated in the top 12. Lee is also my #1 target for the Bills, I think he'd be a great fit given the opportunity, now Rex, Whaley and Co???
Crystal Ball: Lee (who would provide the coverage ability and more needed for Buffalo at LB) will likely be gone by the 17th pick and if not, Atlanta (at 17) is a great natural fit given there scheme and need at WILL, O'Brien Schofield is a nice player, but an upgrade is needed. IMO Buffalo would have to move up to 16 (Detroit) at best to get him and that would cost a 3rd most likely, which I dont think they will do. Sadly I think Lee will not be available when Buffalo picks.
Edit: Atl at 17, Det at 16; thank you elbandido27.
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out of the players you listed, im all in on Rankins. we need a solid Start ready DT/NT to free up Darus. Docston is dope too but wouldnt take him in the 1st.
Rankins is not a NT at all, he'd be much more miscast/wasted talent wise there than Dareus was. 3-Tech all day, reminds me of a Gerald McCoy a little. He and Dareus could do some real damage together as interior rushers. I dont see him making it to 19.
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Impressive interview... I still think CLE has a secret plan to grab him somehow... Even if they end up taking Wentz. A kid like Jones would absolutely thrive under a coach like Hue Jackson....
I have had similar thoughts, only I dont think they take both, more like they draft Jack or Ramsey at #2 and then take Jones with #32 or move up into the 1st round to take him and get the extra year on his contract.
I had been thinking Jones was a Bills target in the 3rd round, but now I think he's gone by pick 80 and more likely gone early 2nd round by a team like Cleveland (given what they do with their 1st round pick), SF or LA potentially. If he's there 49 and the Bills want him, I think they would have to grab him at 49 and cant wait until the 3rd round. I do think they are more likely to go Hogan in the 5th, but it wouldnt shock me if Whaley liked Jones enough to take him in the 2nd, given he's there.
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What does he mean by "extras"?
CBF
Maybe it refers to teams asking him to throw particular routes after his scripted set?
It refers to Pep Hamilton spraying H2O on Goff's ball and having him make a couple of unscripted throws with a wet ball after the "workout" was over
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I'm going to throw out the idea of Eric Striker of Oklahoma as a Rex type of guy.
He played as an edge defender about 50% of the time in Oklahoma's defense, but was more of a Swiss Army Knife than anything else, spending time at ILB, safety, and slot corner as well.
I think he's the kind of player that Rex will coach up to play the Will, but would also get snaps as a pass rusher and nickel defender.
I see this as his upside for the Bills as a late round pick.
why is he rated so low - didn't watch much big 12 this season. I've heard his name of course and know that sooner fans loved him, but never talked about as a top prospect. Is it because he's more scheme specific and a tweener that some teams may not see a clear spot for?
Pretty much, when I watch Alexander at OU my eyes constantly go to Striker, who IMO is a much better athlete than Alexander and more instinctive on the field. Issue with Striker IMO aside from his size and fit; playing strength is non-functional and no matter who blocks him, they take him out of the play, he has limited technique rushing the passer right now and if he doesnt win with his first step around the edge, he doesnt win (period, literally), however he is on of the best edge rushers in the draft at running and turning the arc IMO, good hands but no real counter move. Decent cover skills, good CoD skills in the open field and great first step, but a pure space/passing down defender, who's a total liability on run downs, or when contact is initialized by the offensive player. Lacks long speed to play S in deep coverage, and IMO is a Jack or Will who needs a defined role at the LOS or in space in coverage (good against the quick passing game), or in the box as a situational pass rushing LB, he needs big uglies infront of him to keep bodies off him as a run defender. IMO a passing situation "chess" piece, or DPR with coverage upside in the NFL. -
One of the most overrated QBs of all time IMO. Had a few great seasons, but really only started for 8 seasons, that's it.
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They could have flipped Bradford to Cleveland for a 1st (http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/12609/browns-trade-offers-for-bradford-never-included-manziel), imagine the possibilities: 3 1sts, and 3rd (I would demand that be a 2nd) and Fletcher Cox.... Adding that to what they already have would go a long way to rebuilding.
If I thought Mariota was the next Steve Young, then no.
Otherwise, Yes.
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Glad he's not coming to Buffalo
Dodged that bullet...
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Don't know about you but Ogbah looked really lazy to me. Looked like he took plenty of plays off.
Think he's a 4-3 base end only. Don't like him playing OLB, 3-cone was still pretty average for the position despite the 40. Kinda weird that Mockdraftable has his closest comparison athletically as Aldon Smith (90.6% similarity).
Aldon Smith? Odd. To me he looks more like a Charles Johnson or Antonio Smith.
I don't know that it's as much laziness (though he does take some plays off) as it is lack of suddenness. To me, he just looks like a power-based player only.
I see him in this light as well; a 43 end who doesnt have the natural quick twitch ability to win running the arc or to counter consistently, maybe the elephant in a 34. He does have good length and developmental potential, when he uses his hands and leverage correctly he can power anyone into the QB. He's a good athlete, but not JPP or Aldon Smith like athletic.
I think he's a 2nd round player in need of development, taking him in the 1st round will lead to failed expectations in the first 2 years at least IMO. I would be disappointed taking him in the 1st, I do think he'd be a solid value in the 2nd round potentially for the Bills, he seems to have the desire and attitude to want to get better.
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Matt Miller's post-combine 2 round mock draft
Shaq Lawson to Bills Rd1
Jarron Reed to Bills Rd 2
*still has Jaylon Smith going 17 overall.
Nothing wrong with this!!
I dont think Reed falls that far in the second but Lawson is a real possibility at 19 IMO.
I do think Kevin Dodd might be a better fit as a 5 technique or in a OLB/DE hybrid role, given Dodd's slight length and athletic advantage. But thats nit picking I guess, as Lawson is more physical and stronger.
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I thought the same thing. I was indifferent in Billings going into the weekend and he really impressed me. He is really athletic for his build. He would be a really good pick.
I thought he was impressive myself, and depending on how the first 18 picks go, I would endorse him at 19 myself. Billings would go along way to fixing the DL.
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well, let's hope. We all know how much Whaley loves speed. I do like Lee, he's a great football player. Just worry about readiness. Darby's acceleration is a good point.
Thank you, I agree with the Whaley aspect as well. I still think Lee is gone before 19, although I am hoping the DB's put on a show and CB like A. Burns or E. Apple, or S like D. Thompson lights it up and gives teams ahead of Buffalo more options, pushing Lee or a guy like him down to Buffalo.
I could not agree more that Lee has some developmental aspects, but I see the juice being worth the squeeze.
Didnt know about his mother, that could be a pain in the @$$...
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Sounds like he's perfectly suited to play the Joker in Rex's defense.
I think so, and I believe he has the acumen that fits Rex's D, partially from watching his eyes on tape and partially from his background playing QB, S (edit - TY -YO) and different positions in his development.
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I wouldn't mind using Lee in Rex's 3-4 the way the Cardinals use Deone Bucannon in their defense. I think 260 lb Spikes style MLBs are dinosaurs, Bucannon/Mark Barron are the way teams are trending, old in the box safeties are becoming the new MLBs.
^ Good stuff here.
Great stuff Chuck!! I was coming into this thread to say something similar about Lee. He is a playmaker and a great athlete. He is a converted corner. Lee may be the answer to New England's dink and dunk passing game.
Keep following the light boys!! Just follow the light...
I think Lee would be a big part of (defending - edit) the NE - D@D passing game as well, good thought IMO
picturing his patented one-arm tackle on Gronk -shudder. I'm just a bit worried about his immediate impact, not long term. He's a little raw for this team's needs. Unless we've all moved on to 2017.
He also talks a lot of trash and takes some dumb penalties. I know how much this fan base loves that.
Btw he doesn't turn 21 until October. Super young.
They developed Darby's eye discipline during 2015, why not Lee's tackling in 2016?
No need to worry about Lee tackling the Gronk, because he knocks the ball away or intercepts it before it gets to the Gronk.
Who would surprise you as the Bills 1st round pick?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Ezekiel Elliott, with McCoy turning 28 and having some injury issues last year and Karlos Williams having shoulder, knee and concussion issues last year himself, I would be surprised if Zeke was there and surprised if they took him, yet not shocked.