Mojo44
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True; he left on his own accord.
I will say that based on what we heard of marrone's temperament and relationship with the FO, I don't think he would fit into the Browns organization, where it seems like the power of the coach and GM are going to be severely diluted.
He would be a great fit. The stuff about his temperament is pure BS...a myth perpetrated by the Buffalo media who had an irrational hatred for him because he was...God forgive...a little on the curmudgeonly side. They vilified him when they should have been praising him. Two stupid fumbles vs. KC or he's 10-5 and likely in the playoffs. I'm here in Syracuse and have a longer "history" with him than most Bills fans. Like I said, pure BS. At what point do some Bills fans just admit they were wrong about him. Why is he considered across the league as a top candidate still??? He had it turning around and he got run out of town. Not at all a popular opinion, I know. But it's more likely than not the truth.
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EJ is a great human being....easy to pull for.
unfortunately he is not a good qb.
We have enough evidence that this is true. Because he was a first rounder I think we have to consider the "B" word. We could do better for a backup. But, yeah, seems like a great guy.
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There is a lot to like about TT in his first year. But, among all those areas that need work, his tendency to come up small when we needed him to come up big is major. As much as any single problem with this team, with the one exception of Rex Ryan, this kept us out of the playoffs. This is his Cardinal challange IMO.
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When do dick jauron and mularkey get some looks? Browns love our castoffs.
Whatever else you think of Marrone he is no castoff. Good move for the Browns if they get him.
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http://forums.jetnation.com/topic/125295-any-chance-we-can-get-rex-back/
Jets fans want Rex back. I agree he is a great coach and today was a GREAT finish for this season. To go .500 with all of the injuries and a first year starting quarterback shows his resiliency as a coach with a depleted roster and good coaching ability.
Are you sure this isn't from the Onion? Otherwise...Jump..Rex...Jump!
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If the Giants fire Coughlin they will likely go after Marrone. Good for the Bills. Sorry, but he is way better than Rex and if Marrone and Hackett, yes Hackett, had this offense with Schwartz handling the defense the team would have 11 wins. To this day I'm amazed at the delusional level belief that Marrone was a bad coach. He will coach again and when he does, I just hope the Bills are winning otherwise there will be serious envy and remorse that he got run out town by the media and fueled by delusional fans.
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Mismanagement can absolutely cause players to be disgruntled but there's correct ways for a player or employee to handle it and there's wrong ways. Mario has chosen the latter and that's on him. It's obviously a failure all around but you're just blaming Rex and not taking into account the other side which I feel is short sighted.
I don't disagree but we have no evidence that Rex went to Mario and talked to him about his concerns like a good coach/boss should. We also have the undebatable fact that Mario did live up to his contract for three years before Rex took over and killed things. Now, if I was the boss, went to Mario and he would not listen to any reasonable attempts to address his concerns and he continued to not make the maximum effort his ass would be on the street. So no, I don't think I'm being shortsighted about Marios attitude and my approach to it given what we know (I.e. Rex is very likely a bad coach) Mario would get the benefit of a doubt. I do recognize that there is some chance I could be wrong and it was all on him. But, too me, all of the current evidence points towards Rex.
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I want players on my team that don't want to let their teammates down. Mario is being selfish and not a team player. I don't care what the scheme and coaching is, you don't screw over your teammates like he has. Bye Mario.
OK. So you're just repeating what Always Billeve said and nothing more. You are certainly entitled to your opinion but I find it short sighted and missing the big picture. Just cut and paste my last post for my response to yours.
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You give a professional athlete, who makes 10plus million dollars a year, a pass for not trying? I wish I worked for you. You'd fire my boss and excuse my lack of production. Hell, you'd probably give me a raise too
In this case yes. The actuarial fact is that Mario lived up to his contract until this season. You see, if I'm the boss and I see an employee who has performed at a high level for so long then falls off a cliff my first question is to myself. What did I do that caused the employee to suddenly start performing at a lower level? The evidence points towards a failure of management and not the employee. Your comment, on the face of it makes it seem like you're really on to something but, as you can see, it's easily dismantled when you look at the big picture. So, no, I wouldn't give you a raise. But I would give you the benefit of a doubt and work with you to find out why your performance dropped so much after three highly productive years.
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This thread is about Mario and the impact of his loss.
I've got plenty of issues with Rex too.
The thread is about the season long process that led to the loss of Mario. That process was Rex and his abject inability to be a HC. If it was just Mario it would be one thing. But this season Huges, Dareus, PB, Graham, Bradahm, K. Williams, etc. all had bad years after being part of the great 2014 defense. This all points to the HC!
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Film don't lie; I've seen too many lackadaisical plays from Mario this season to give two schitts about the Bills cutting him loose. Look at how Hughes goes balls out on every play.
The Mario F5 ground up in the freezer thread will live in infamy, but it's time to turn the page on that chapter.
Rex and Whaley get this offseason to bring in the D players they want/need, and we judge Rex next season.
The excuse that Ryan failed because he didn't have the "right" players is BS! He had the "right" players handed to him on a silver platter. He failed miserably, period. You don't have a Mario Williams covering a WR in any scheme! Rex is the biggest jug of cyanide laced Kool-Aid the Bills have had since the SB years. Not firing Rex just doubles down on the colossal blunder the Pegulas made to begin with. I give Mario the pass, not Rex.
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Wow. I am really surprised that a man who built a multi-billion dollar business did not make a critical business decision based on the uninformed opinions of fans or the even less informed whining of local media members. What a shock!
The genuine shock is that they did not make a critical business decision based on actuarial data: Ryan's history!
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He's safe in Cleveland, if Dennis Thurman is allowed to Rex's puppet DC then I see next season going nowhere as this season. It's clear Rex needs to not call the plays and needs to focus more on being head coach overseeing the game day operation.
This is the entire problem in a nutshell. Rex is seemingly incapable of doing just that. What a HC needs to do first and foremost: focus more on being a head coach and overseeing game day operations. There is enough history on him to cast doubt that he could ever develop this skill set. But now I hope he does.
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Yeah, this is great news about Rex. This disaster, yes disaster of a season is not Rex's fault. Clearly it's John Idzik's fault. Rex gets another pass.
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If they hire Tales from the Crypt Polian it will get even worse. Whaley has done a good job with personnel. If he was the initiator of Rex then it is on him. If he agreed to the Pegulas wishes IMO he shouldn't be punished for that,
Disagree. I'd take Polians n a heart beat. Contrary to what some believe, the game has not passed him by. That's a stupid cliche, any way. What proof do you have to the contrary?
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Rex signed a 5 year, $27.5 million contract. Pegula is rich, but he can't eat that.
He's not getting fired. Bring back Schwartz tho..?
Unless the Pegulas turn out to be dumber than we all think there is certainly a buyout clause in the contract. They can, and should, readily fire him...right after the last game of the season!
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It is not really the logical move because changing out coaches every year is not a recepti for success
And we can either sit and cry about the spilt milk or figure out how to fix the mistake of this year and move on
It is easy to say FIRE EVERYBODY BLOW IT UP every year.....but that wont get us closer
Actually, blowing it up would be wrong and not what we need. Quantum difference between blowing it up and firing Ryan. Rex is a damn malignant tumor that will only grow if not cut out. Yes! He's that bad! It has to be done the Monday after the last game.
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Maybe because it's the most recent but it was the non call on the obvious pick play that allowed the Eagles to score the winning FG.
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I don't think Thurmann will be fired. Anything involving the defense starts with Ryan. He has already come out and said that he tried to incorporate too much of what we did last year and it did not mix well with what they were installing. Players will be switched out. To run a complex defensive scheme, you need smart defenders and the Bills do not have alot of defenders with natural instincts IMO. Also, the perceived connection to the defense we ran under Pettine was overblown. We were much more of a 43 UNDER base that season than anything resembling a 34 which Ryan likes to run.
The defensive side of the ball has always been more suited running a 43. Dareus, Hughes, A. Williams, and Gilmore are scheme diverse players. Dareus can play 34 DE, NT, 43 DT. Hughes can play 43DE or 34 OLB. A. Williams can play FS, SS, and can cover both TEs and WRs if needed and can play in the tackle box close to the line or in center field. Gilmore can play man, press, or zone although he is a better man defender than zone guy IMO. But guys like Mario, Kyle, and Bradham do not fit into a 34 scheme very well.
You can't blame Ryan, however. He knows his defensive system. He made a name for himself as a superstar DC playing his defensive system. He was hired as a HC because of his defensive system. You can't hire him as a HC and hand him players that don't fit. He has always had a pure NT, expect for this season. He has always had 2 identical safeties who are interchangeable(this is a big part of what he does in coverage) except for this season. He has always had a combo LB who can rush and cover, except for this season. If the Bills were supposed to make a push for the playoffs this year on the strength of their defense and improving the offense than Ryan was not the right hire. It didn't make sense as a one year move that Ryan would come in and improve the defense by playing a watered down version of his schemes. I think alot of people including those with the Bills overvalued some of the talent on D and their ability to play in multiple schemes. Nigel Bradham, for example, was drafted to 43 LB under Wanny, then was lost playing more inside under Pettine, and blossomed playing OLB for Schwartz. He is clearly a gifted player playing out of scheme. Anyway, I could go on.
The blame needs to fall on who signed off that this idea would work because hiring Ryan and making almost no defensive personnel changes to help the team adjust was a big mistake. The guy to hire with this defensive personnel was Dan Quinn from SEA, but it remains to be seen if he would even have wanted the job considering the QB situation at the time which remember was regarded as one of the worst 1 or 2 situations in the NFL.
At this point, the Bills need to go all in on Ryan's defensive scheme. There is no turning back. What's done is done. There really is no other option.
There is most definitely turning back if the Pegulas have the courage to admit their mistake and jettison Rex. He was a flash in the pan as a DC and as a HC. His first two years were likely the result of what Mangini left him. He stinks! What Rex was this year is who he is. He will not change. It has nothing at all to do with his "scheme" and the players getting it. He is in way over his head. He needs to go away.
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No players took control of this team.
Folks, this is the opposite of the inmates running the asylum. This entirely obliterates the argument that Rex can't control his players. You can't control men who aren't willing/able to control themselves.
These are professional athletes.
These are grown men.
Spare me the babysitter excuse.
They had an opportunity to seize their own fate, and they failed:
http://bills.buffalonews.com/2015/12/22/the-bills-havent-had-any-players-only-meetings-this-season/
What half way competent coach loses control of his locker room since day one? Think of your favorite coaches in the NFL. Do you thing this could happen to them? To me it's inconceivable. This is on Rex. It was a horrible hire!
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There are much bigger issues regarding Rex as a deficient coach that have little to do with his inability to bring in aging veteran players to teach his "system". Rex's record as a coach in NY was a losing record. By the time he got fired the team he was instrumental in assembling and coaching was in chaos.
When you describe the character of a Rex coached team one word that won't be associated with it is discipline. Another word not associated with a Rex coached team is intelligence. Another word not associated with his teams is maturity.
People are now bringing up hypothetical issues such as "what if this" and "what if that" in order to explain the stunning descent of a team. What has happened with the Bills should not have been a surprise. The same destructive cycle happened in NY. Our organization enthusiastically hired a failed HC that another organization was relieved to get rid of. Rex didn't have a successful tenure in NY. He had a cumulative losing record. Yet the Bills' organization found him to be an appealing candidate based on an impressive interview. Just think about it. A bullshiiiit interview proved to be more persuasive than a six year losing record ending in chaos
The Jets are now a stabilized organization under a stolid but professional coach. This year they weren't subjected to the circus act that always surrounds this attention grabbing hound dog coach. When one of their marginal players punched their qb in the locker room and broke his jaw the Jets immediately responded by cutting him. Our clown coach immediately added him to the roster. That's the type of thuggish and dump player that appeals to this fool coach. The bottom line is that the Rex Ryan that we now got is the Rex Ryan we brought in.
This nightmare season all comes down to this! The Pegulas were bamboozled and made a drastic mistake. No matter how much it costs Ryan has to go!!! I did predict this when he was first hired hoping I was wrong. Sadly I wasn't.
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So an offense in the top 10 in points in the NFL "sucks"? I agree the playcalling at times leaves you shaking your head, but it's miles better than what we've had for most of this drought. We have 10 wins with last year's D and this offense.
He's also done this with a QB in his first season, and has gotten mostly good with some spectacular play from Taylor, far more than we had a right to expect...
This only looks at one side of the equation regarding the offense. Regardless of the rather misleading total stats, the Bills were in 4 or 5 games in which the offense could/should have moved down the field at the end for a winning or tying score. TT was an epic failure each time. This is actuarial fact and not debatable. And a rationalization like "if the Bills played better on D and didn't have all those penalties they wouldn't be in that position" doesn't matter. I'm fine with seeing how TT develops but he absolutely deserves that criticism.
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If Ryan stays it will be interesting to see how the Pegulas rationalize it. Rex is a nightmare for this franchise. Jettison him no matter what it costs!
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That's what I meant...
I know you did. I just wanted to get in one more dig at Rex.
Pettine officially fired by Browns; Marrone to interview
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Why? What's your point? Do you have verifiable evidence he was inappropriate with the secretary. This would be big news. Please share it. Otherwise you're just validating my point about the irrational character assassination he was victimized by while leading the team to its first winning record with a great defense and a total crap of offense that he was able to get nine wins out of. But...like I said, if you have actual evidence that he was abusive to a secretary I personally would like to see it. Your turn.