Perry Turtle
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Not true. Elway wanted him but Houston paid a kings ransom in FA. Elway has ruined the QB position in the mile high city.
Guess you can't win a Super Bowl without breaking a few eggs.
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For sure.
So when Rex gets fired and we bring someone else into this revolving door, I wonder how many years he gets before the fan base wants his head. 2 years?
Instead of looking at years, look at progress and accomplishments. Rex's defense has regressed. He doesn't win games against teams with winning records. His QB has regressed. After 4 games, he hasn't proven he can compete with New England.
This year the Bills spent their first 3 picks on defense. They signed a FA who is leading the league in sacks. And the defense still gets rolled by better teams. The highest-paid players on defense, Hughes and Dareus, have seen their play regress under Rex.
Rex is a .500 coach. Keeping him around will waste contract years for Clay, Watkins, and McCoy. And if the Bills decide to go after a franchise QB in the draft, do you really trust Rex to develop him?
Don't focus on the years. Focus on the progress. Focus on the key things the franchise needs to do (like develop a franchise QB) and ask if the coach is able to accomplish those things.
Regardless of how long Rex has been here, he's not a good fit for where the franchise is heading. Take a look at the Rams and Jags. Continuity did nothing but waste seasons for them and their fans. The Bills should avoid that path at all costs.
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The argument for keeping Russ is that the business side has been extremely successful for the Bills, much more successful than the football side.
He's successfully regionalized the team, and helped walk the Pegulas through the purchase. He's also kept tickets reasonably priced and has maximized what corporate sponsorship there is to be had in Buffalo.
With a new stadium on the horizon, having his ability to make do with less, will help both the team and the fans (for example, no or limited PSLs).
He has performed a leadership role on the football side, under Wilson, and hasn't been very good at it. He also seems to have played a role in hiring Rex, so again, not good.
If Terry brings in a czar to run football operations, and Russ sticks to the business side of things, I have no problem with Russsticking around.
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Lorenzo's and Brown's numbers have also fallen off the last few weeks. In fact, Rex has cut down Lorenzo's defensive reps to allow him to play on special teams.A. K so he got 4 sacks his first four weeks, and then Rex changed scheme to stop letting him rush the passer-got it. Does Rex get credit for helping no names Lorenzo and Zach Brown for putting up great numbers or is that all genius Doug Whaley?
B. Had 6 sacks and four forced fumbles with Rex after Buffalo let him go in 2011 and then when relied upon next year he stunk it up cuz only had one move.
The last two weeks, against the Raiders and Steelers, Ryan has dropped 7 and 8 guys into coverage in an effort to stop the pass.
It worked against the Steelers passing game, holding Big Ben to some terrible passing numbers, but it left the Bills woefully undermanned against the run, and Bell ate them alive.
Also very noticeable with Rex's exotic and complicated alignments is that the Bills have an extremely difficult time setting the edge. This has contributed to them giving up two 200 yard rushing games to two different backs this season.
The complexity of the defense has put the Bills on their heals more often than not in Rex's alignment. Rex needs an on-field coach to make his schemes work like Jim Leonhard. The Bills don't have that guy.
In fact, with Rex, Rob, and Thurman, it seems like it takes a village for Rex's scheme to work. It's impossible to know who's accountable for any given play call.
With Schwartz, the simplicity of his scheme lead to accountability, which led to better play on the field.
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The biggest difference between Schwartz and Rex is that Schwartz attacks and Rex reacts.
Schwartz basically uses the same alignment play after playnd forces the offense to adjust. Rex tries to adjust his alignment every play toanswer the offensive set.
Under Schwartz, the DE either rushes on a pass or holds the edge on a run. Under Rex, the DE could be an end or LB, rush the passer, hold the gap between G and T, drop into zone coverage, chip the TE, all on a play by play basis.
It's much easier to play Schwartz's scheme. And if you have strong one-gap players, it's much more effective.
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Riddle me this; what FA that is any good and would improve this team from a talent perspective would want to come to Buffalo? I feel like that we had a window of the last couple years where between Pegs' money and a seemingly improving team, that Buffalo maybe somewhere just below the middle of the pack in terms of being able to attract FA talent. Now, with the dumpster fire in full rage, and a bunch of really dead weight on the SC (looking at you tubby dareus) I'm afraid we've probably slipped back towards the bottom. I mean, a player might still come if Pegs throws the bank at him, but a single player isn't going to fix this mess, especially with Dopey Rex and his transfat brother in charge
The defensive personnel on the Bills fits perfectly into a 4-3 cover 3 scheme. Bring in a coach to implement that scheme and all you really need is a safety who can drop into the box. That could be a free agent or 3rd round draft pick.
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Agreed. The only way i see Rex staying is if he agrees to let go of his grip on the defensive gameplan and lets Whaley bring in a d-coordinator that probably has nothing in common with Rex's defensive philosophy. But I dont see that happening.
In my opinion, the decision of whether or not to keep Rex has nothing to do with Tyrod and the offense.
Before we even approach the Tyrod issue, the franchise needs to figure out what its going to do with its HC. Everything after that will probably fall in line. Imo.
I think the decision to move on from Rex is already made. His total failure in handling the defense being the biggest reason.
Whether he gets canned this week I think depends on the Pegulas desire to give Lynn an trial as HC or Rex's willingness to start Jones.
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Exactly. Look at a players tape from college and you can see how capable they are of football intelligence . No need for a Wonderlic test to validate it.
Yep. Fitzpatrick has the highest Wonderland score. Matt Stafford scored higher than Peyton Manning and Drew Brees. Derek Carr and Cam Newton scored lower than EJ.
Does a high Wonderlic score imply strong football acumen? Probably not, but there are strong indicators of football smarts. The fact that EJ was tagged with "slow eyes" indicated that he was not up to par in processing all the things an NFL QB needs to to be sucessful.
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http://nflwonderlictestscores.com/how-smart-is-your-teams-qb/
Was just discussing this in the Shoutbox. Tyrod is a great kid, hard worker, devoted.
But does he have the brain (and height) to play QB in the NFL? Tyrod scored a 15
Is it worth it to keep him on the team knowing his limitations?
I honestly believe he has a tough time analyzing defenses, using audibles, and processing things quickly.
Just a spot to discuss if he has the intellect needed.
I'm not sure about his football smarts, but height shouldn't be an issue. He's listed at 6'1. Russell Wilson is 5'11. Drew Brees is 6'. Aaron Rodgers, Kurt Cousins, and Dak Prescott are 6'2.
One of the problems the Bills have had drafting a QB over the last 20 years is that they value physical stature over skill and smarts.
Teams that value accuracy, quick release, and football smarts do much better drafting QBs than the Bills, who value size and arm strength over all other attributes.
That's why the team ends up with 6'5 guys who can't hit the side of a barn or find their third option.
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Today has to be interesting at OBD. Just guessing, but here's the intrigue:
Rex: Wants to get to 9-7. Even if it does save his job with the Bills, he'd rather hit the market with a winning record. He believes Tyrod is the best option to win the last three games.
Whaley: Believes he needs to show he can draft a franchise QB after striking out with EJ. Needs Jones to start and show promise to keep his job.
Pegulas: Might decide to keep Tyrod next season, but don't want to be forced to due to injury. Want Jones or EJ to start to keep the options open on Tyrod. They also might want to give Lynn a coaching dress rehearsal the rest of the season.
Rex keeping his job till the end of the season might depend on his willingness to start Jones.
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As an organization, though, they are pretty damn good at clearing rubber pellets off a football field.
So we got that going for us.
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before they fire Cindy we need to see a pic
Agree. Let's not get too crazy here.
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We haven't really passed on any obvious QB picks. Prescott was rated one QB above Jones last draft. The others are having "so-so" at best seasons.
https://walterfootball.com/draft2016QB.php
he did have to deal with St. Doug and Rex (I'm awesome but my record stinks) Ryan
Russell Wilson, Kirk Cousins, Derek Carr, Dak Prescott were all available to Whaley to draft and he passed on them. They are all under 6'4". Both QBs Whaley drafted are 6'5".
Maybe Jones plays this season and he shows strong accuracy and good football smarts, but that would exhibit a major leap in his progress. That would redeem Whaley.
If Jones still looks like a project, maybe it's time to turn the team over to a GM who isn't looking to draft the next Big Ben and has the imagination to see the value in a QB who might not be the ideal size, but has other intangibles that bring success in today's NFL.
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Whaley's Achilles heal is his ability to scout and draft QBs. He seems to draft big guys with strong arms that lack accuracy and have a low football IQ.
Meanwhile the emphasis in the league has been on accuracy, quick release, and the ability to read the field. The Bills had a chance to draft many of the up-and-coming young QBs in the league, but Whaley let them pass by. The vast majority of those guys are under 6'4".
You have to wonder if Whaley let them slip by because the didn't fit his view of a prototypical QB.
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They'll beat Cleveland. Take heart, the Bills could have drafted Derek Carr, Dak Prescott, Kirk Cousins, Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers with a 8-8 or 9-7 record.
All they needed was a GM who valued accuracy, a quick release, and football smarts over size and arm strength in a QB.
Hire a GM whose views on the QB position aren't stuck in the stone age and the Bills will be OK.
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Not supposed to start new threads during game dude.
And you're also not supposed to allow a 200 yard rushing game by a single back, but Rex's clown company did it twice this season.
It's anarchy in here.
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Too bad he doesn't have any other brothers to hire to help him next year.
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Buffalo Bills head coach Rob Ryan. That's what you'll get if Rex is promoted to GM.
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They should take whatever the Rams paid for Joe Namath and adjust it for inflation.
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If Whaley and Rex are still here, I'd rather they draft a safety in the first round.
Rex isn't going to run a pass heavy offense that takes advantage of a 1st round receiver, even if the Bills have a competent receiver.
Rather than spend a 1st round pick on a guy who's going to see four targets a game, running only streaks and curls, they should draft a guy to help Rex figure out his defense.
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The worst thing about the whole Flutie/Johnson era wasn't that Flutie was treated unfairly or that Johnson didn't get a chance, it was that Bills fans wasted a ton of energy arguing over two QBS who were career backups at best. Neither guy was a quality starter, but it didn't stop the endless crusades either way.
Taylor isn't an NFL quality passer. No freakin' duh. It's delusional to think he will ever be one.
However, he is an effective runner, and the Bills offense is a great at running the ball; it is the strongest part of their team.
They built a 24-9 lead on the strength of their running game today. And then during the next four drives, they ran the ball FOUR times. A more interesting conversation might be why this coaching staff refuses to call plays to the team's strength.
As for finding Taylor's replacement, good luck with this front office. As a team executive, Whaley has passed on Russell Wilson, Derek Carr, Dak Prescott and Kirk Cousins.
Instead, Whaley has drafted two specimens who have little accuracy and less football sense. For too long it seems that if a QB isn't six foot four, Bills management has no interest in him. And Whaley fits this mold.
So what's the argument here? Taylor is a lousy passer? Might as well waste time arguing water is wet.
Should the Bills look for his replacement? Of course they should. In fact, if they had any clue on how to evaluate QBS, they would have drafted Prescott in the 3rd last year, instead of drafting Rex another DT for his moronic defensive scheme.
Would Jones be better? Probably not this year. He's inaccurate, has problems reading defense, and this idiotic 7 step drop vertical passing scheme the Bills play would do him no favors. But the season is shot, so what the hell, put the rookie in.
What's the answer? You have to seriously ask yourself is the current front office and coaching staff is capable of developing a franchise QB. Is Whaley capable of truly scouting the position.
Will Rex spend high round picks on offense to support a young QB or will he use them on his defense.
Will the coaching staff install a more passer-friendly offense, with 3 step drops, slants and screens.
Until those things happen, the fans are stuck in Flutie/Johnson debate hell. Turning on one another arguing over QBs who aren't and never will be NFL quality starters, unrealistically hoping that the people who run the team rise above their own ineptitude, get lucky, and draft a true franchise QB.
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EJ's mistakes have led to 21 points against in his last 3 starts. The difference between winning and losing two of those games. Taylor lining up behind the guard cost the Bills nothing. How you can compare the two is ridiculous.Yes yes blame something else.
Yes because it is Sammy INJ that has caused
Poor Mechanics
Late throws
In accurate
Bad pocket presence
Has to be someone else not the chosen one
Sweet now show me the gif of Franchise lining up behind the OG cause you know given all EJs issues he can at least tell difference between OG and Center
You can blow off the low turnover stat, but the bottom line is that NO NFL coach is going to start a guy who costs his team games through reckless mistakes over a guy who doesn't.
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Good. Harvin is a waste of a roster space. Maybe Taylor can convince Bush to retire too.
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Receivers are making plays for Miami.
Are the Bills defenders smart enough to run Rex defense?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Rex's scheme is such an inconsistent mess that it would take 15 Jim Leonhards on the field at the same time to make it work.