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19 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:
I honestly don’t think Justin Shorter would’ve been drafted at all in this years class of WRs. I’ve said it multiple times, the guy looks like he’s built to be an NFL WR but body catches everything, can’t get separation and is clunky in his route running. Hopefully he turns into the phenom he was projected to be coming out of HS but outside of Beane trying to make a statement that he’s keeping his 5th round WR from last year, I don’t see him making the team
With all due respect you have made a lot of predictions on WR's in the draft that were far off to say the least. Not saying you are any different than all of us in that regard but that nobody knows much of anything in terms of how a draft will play out.
The history of the Bills shows that they have gotten production from WR's in that early day 2 range. Shorter is behind both thus far having not gotten any action as rookie but we will see. I agree he might not make the 53 and find himself on the practice squad. But who knows.
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1 hour ago, NeverOutNick said:
Honestly looking back at the moves this offseason at WR I’m still confused on the direction. I totally understand letting Gabe walk and I get Diggs needed to be traded for some value and this was the last opportunity to get high compensation in return for him. The pre-draft acquisition of Curtis Samuel doesn’t fill either hole our 2 WRs filled. In fact it makes it a more crowded room at what our 2 best remaining “WRs” do in Shakir and Kincaid, eating up the middle of the field and working the slot. Samuel is a fine player but he’s never been the best WR on his own team and for all his speed he’s not a great deep threat because he doesn’t track the ball very well. He’s going to be used well under Brady but still a head scratching start to our reworked WR room when you did have a boundary vertical threat like Hollywood brown available and multiple receivers in the upcoming draft to fill that role. Next we go into the draft still not having any proven outside threats. We grab maybe the guy with the best hands in this draft but even though he’s a heck of an athlete and person at best he’s an upgrade over Gabe Davis who doesn’t have Gabe’s vertical game. We are all happy with the move during the draft and think we have to be going after one or two more WRs to compete for the other outside spot right? I mean it’s the 2nd round and AD Mitchell and Troy Franklin are still on the board…Day 2 goes by and man we missed on Mitchell but I get it McD is the coach and he wanted to load up on D but it’s ok because tomorrow we can get Franklin or Walker who both show great burst off the line and work the intermediate and long game very well. Whoa whoa what’s going on here a RB run, don’t do it Beane. Well ok he looks like he could be really good and even though we missed out on Mitchell and Walker there are still some speedsters left in Ainais Smith, Malik Washington and man that Bub Means guy looks like he has potential as an outside big bodied deep threat. Oh well at least he looks like a starting caliber center that was good value, wait we traded our 5th rounder for next years 4th but the WRs…LB and pass rusher 🤦🏻♂️…welp we’ve got a couple late picks maybe to take a chance on Jerry’s kid ooph maybe those linemen will develop.
Perhaps Justin Shorter is your answer to the day three WR's you wanted the team to draft?
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I really want to see like 5 players all over 90 targets in this offense. That would be awesome. Kincaid, Shakir, Samuel and Coleman I think can all get 90+ targets. Cook and Ray Ray Davis combine for 90 targets. That puts the Bills offense at 450+ targets, likely around 500 targets as a few of those players mentioned will be in the 100 - 110 target range . Allen has averaged 609 targets the last three seasons. So then we have about another 100 targets left over the remaining players on the roster.
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You want to trade our best performing postseason CB??
Seriously, I'd keep Elam. This is a physical game and Elam is on a cheap contract. I could easily seeing the Bills needing him to step up again late in the season.
Honestly, I think our WR room is full. We are going to future Kincaid, Knox, Cook and Ray Davis pretty heavily in the passing game IMO. Throw in Shakir, Coleman and Samuel and I don't see a lot of need for bringing in another body at WR.
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This guy is the physical WR we have wanted. He seems totally comfortable being bodied up with DB's. Probably from his basketball background where separation really isn't a thing. I do wonder if he will need to adjust some of his push offs at the point of the catch. But officials aren't going to throw a flag on every one. Heck, they let Higgins get away with a massive push off in the Super Bowl a few years back.
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7 hours ago, Rampant Buffalo said:
There are two questions here: 1) Is Beane willing to invest in the WR position? and 2) Did the Diggs trade work out?
As for 1, he invested in the WR position. That includes the 1st round pick for Diggs. Diggs' original draft position is irrelevant to how much Beane invested in him.
As for 2, I personally believe the Diggs trade did not work out. You look at what we used on him, including the first round pick and the salary cap space. Then you look at what we got back. In his four years here, Diggs was 4/4 in playing well for the regular season. But was 0/4 in playing well for the postseason. If your goal is to win the Super Bowl, you can't have major resources tided up in a guy like that.
Disagree with the #2. The goal now is to win a Super Bowl. That's because Diggs helped Allen become the QB he is today. You can't even really put a price tag on value like that. Diggs helped the Bills become relevant year after year after two decades on being non-relevant. I find some value in that as well. Agree with your point of Diggs being a dud in the playoffs for the Bills. But that alone does not make the Diggs trade one that did not workout.
I think folks also don't put enough stock into the drafting of Kincaid. The most recent Super Bowl dynasties futured TE's as their #1 skill player. Coincidence? In today's game an elite TE can put you over the top. Perhaps because they are hard so rare? Elite WR's grow on trees it seems and can even be traded for. Every team can have an elite WR so having one doesn't do enough to separate a team from the rest of the pack of good teams.
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5 hours ago, Mikie2times said:
What positions are we better at on that roster?
I would say QB, WR, and secondary have been better over the average of the last four seasons. Those are some pretty important position groups both today and back in 2015.Many of the other groups are much closer than you give credit, IMO. Milano for example is no slouch as an all pro LB.
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59 minutes ago, PBF81 said:
You missed one simple thing.
Absolutely no one in our team besides Allen has consistently stepped up in the playoffs, not one player, as in zero.
Since our primary problem isn't getting to the playoffs, aka not the regular season, it's our postseason performance in that regard, and where our defense folds and underachieves more often than not, what is the explanation for that in your assessment?
Allen's a what, top-2 QB? There aren't many, if any, top 5 or 6 QBs watching the playoffs come January.
It's not difficult for teams with to QBs to simply make the playoffs today unless they have zero defense and few skill position players. This past season the top 8 yardage and top 6 TD QBs all made the playoffs.
I don’t disagree with the larger point that the defense has greatly underachieved, particularly once it reaches the divisional round.what exactly are you supposed to do as a GM here? Blow it all up because of poor results in a small sample size of postseason games compared to great results over a much larger sample size in the regular season? The disastrous defense in the postseason has been a huge problem, no doubt. But the solution isn’t so simple.
but you’re also only talking about one side of the ball here. Did the offense underachieve in the 13 second game? Even in this most recent loss to KC they scored what 24 points against what was a very good Chiefs defense? Believe the 24 points was the most the Chiefs gave up all postseason last year.
i’d say the punch out to cause the touchback and save a touchdown was as big a play as any in the game. Just as big as Jones rush against Dawkins.
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F- it. Just don't kick FG's. Punt or go for it every time. The heck do we have to lose at this point? Maybe the Bills will stumble upon a new strategy that becomes the in thing.
I don't think I've ever trusted our kickers and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
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I skipped through large parts of that but watched the last minute. Man, it's only been a few months but I have forgotten already how back and forth that game against KC was. Bills took the lead so many times only to immediately relinquish it. So depressing.
12 minutes ago, BigDingus said:Eh, nobody wants to see an hour highlight reel consisting of 5 yard passes that receivers took to the house 😁
Or worse, fake sliding his way along the sideline as he runs like he is trying to find the porta potty.
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3 hours ago, Mikie2times said:
So take Allen off the field and replace him with an average level QB and we still beat KC? We still beat the Chargers? We run all over the Cowboys? We come from behind vs Miami? Allen or the threat of Allen contributed to all of our wins. Newton playing like a below average QB is why Carolina didn't sustain success. You can only give this group so much credit for landing a single player. They have not been able to develop the roster even as well as they did almost 10 years ago.
If I am to believe what is being sold in this thread than I would have to also know that Allen is criminally underrated. Underrated not just by the national media but by even Bills fans on TBD. Allen should be recognized as the alpha QB in today's game, even over Mahomes and perhaps by a wide margin.
Let's follow the logic laid out here.
1. Allen keeps the Bills contending year after year pretty much by himself because he hasn't been given the proper roster support by Beane and McDermott.
2. Mahomes, who everyone recognizes as the clear alpha QB in today's game, is surrounded by great talent and coaching over that same four year time period. Tyreek, GOAT tight end in Kelce, GOAT offensive coach in Reid, GOAT defensive coach in Spags and top 3 defensive player in the game today in Chris Jones. Just an absolute embarrassment of riches the KC ownership and GM have provided to Mahomes. Bravo.
3. Despite the clear imbalance of riches between the two teams, Josh Allen, nearly by himself has managed to lead the Bills to the second most wins over that four year time period, trailing only the Chiefs. Josh Allen has gone a perfect 3-0 against the Chiefs and Mahomes in the last three regular season games and has played two nearly perfect playoff games against the Chiefs only to end up losing late due to circumstances largely out of his control. Literally one squib kick or one lucky bounce away from being 5-0 against the Chiefs and Mahomes in the last five contests between the two.
If all of the above is true, it's pretty clear who the alpha QB in today's game is. Or, more likely, the Bills roster these last four years has not been nearly as bad as some want to believe.
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30 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:
Not that hard to figure out
okay. Maybe I am dull. What the heck is that supposed to tell us other than the Panthers had one abnormally great year? Which we already knew.
The Bills worst years under Beane and McDermott were good years for the Cam Newton Panthers. The Bills should have bottomed out this last year when they were 6-6 and had one of those losing seasons like the Panthers did but instead they went on a six game winning streak and it wasn’t because Josh Allen went nuclear.
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12 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:
Beane has had more time, more control, and we are not as good in nearly any area.
We are not nearly as good as a team that had losing a seasons in two out of four seasons while playing in one of the worst divisions in football? How do they keep winning year after year?-
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2 hours ago, Mikie2times said:
I would rather we didn't build the Houston Oilers and I wouldn't hang up my consolation trophies just because another team was good.
none of that has to do with the question asked though right? Both teams have consolation banners. Can Newton doesn’t have a Super Bowl ring.If the question is which team is built better I would go with the one that is built for sustain success over the one year wonder.
now, if you want to argue that Josh Allen might be the sole reason why the bills are built for sustained success rather than being a one year wonder, then I probably agree. but regardless of the reason, the bills are obviously the better built team.
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13 hours ago, Mikie2times said:
Dorsey was the QB coach, McD was the defensive coordinator, Beane was Assistant GM. They went to the Super Bowl that year losing to the Broncos. Looking at the roster two thing concerned me. They seem to be constructed in similar fashion as we have been. Specifically the WR neglect seems pretty apparent in the make up of both teams. They seem to be MUCH more talented than any version of the Bills we have seen thus far. It's nearly at every position. Beane has had a good amount of time working on our roster. This was a very good Carolina team but I don't like that it appears we have a deficit against them in nearly every position.
I think it’s debatable whether or not the 2015 team was better than all of the bills teams we’ve seen since 2020. What’s not debatable is that that 2015 panther team was a one year wonder whereas the team that McDermott and Beane have built here is a team that has lasted as a Super Bowl contender for four seasons and counting now.This current bills team has not made the Super Bowl like the 2015 Panthers, but they’ve also been eliminated three out of the last four years by the current Chiefs Dynasty. I’m not so certain the 2015 Panthers wouldn’t have seen a similar fate in the same circumstance.
The Panthers 15 – 1 season was book ended by two losing seasons.would you rather a team that was a one year wonder and went to and loss a Super Bowl or a team that’s competed to contend for a Super Bowl every season and winning the most games of any franchise over the current four-year span with the exception of a team that’s currently in the midst of a dynasty?
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Only 4.5 million? Seems like a bargain. Dude is better than Gabe. What did Gabe get? $13M?
I mean Boyd is not that old right?
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6 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:
3 out of the 5 made it to a SB... So....
two of the three made it with their QB's on rookie deals. Heck, Hurts still won't take on a serious top 10 let alone top 5 cap hit until 2027.
Bills had a similar rookie QB deal window with Josh Allen and made AFC Championship game and had the 13 second debacle.
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4 hours ago, GoBills808 said:
rounding has nothing to do w it...if you walk through 5.25 parking spaces you are in the 6th space
Getting way off track now, but...
You can't park a car in a 1/4 of a parking space so if you have 5.25 parking spaces you realistically have 5 spaces. You can't say you have six and take payment for a sixth car when they don't have anywhere to park.
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1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:
So not to be pedantic but that doesn't average a top5 cap hit either
Sure it does 21/4 = 5.25 rounds down to 5. I've never known anyone to round that up to 6.
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1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:
It's not
Correct. Next year he is top 3. Like i said, wasn't sure. His cap hits the next four season starting in 2025 are 3rd, 7th, 6th and 5th highest among QB's. So he'll average a top 5 cap hit in the 2025-2028 seasons as it stands now. Of course there will be restructures and extensions between all the QB's.
Jalen Hurts cap hits the next four years are 18th, 18th, 14th and 8th highest in the league. That is how they are currently affording two highly paid WR's for the next few seasons.
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4 hours ago, GoBills808 said:
We don't have a top5QB salary
It's more about cap hit. Allen's cap hit the next couple of seasons may in fact be top 5 for the position, not sure. Eagles have paid to WR's because Hurts contract hasn't kicked in yet in terms of big cap hits.
Once those other QB's who signed big deals last year have their big cap hits come due, the Bills will be in a better spot. For a year or so anyway until Allen signs a new contract for the highest paid QB again before his current deal is up.
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Yards Per Target (YPT) is a good barometer IMO. You want a guy with a YPT over 8.5 at least (the higher the better but anything over 10 is elite) while eating up a lot of targets. Unfortunately, Diggs ate up a lot of targets, 160 or so, and had a YPT of like 7.5, but even worse, that was his YPT for the season. He was far worse down the stretch of the regular season with a YPT in the 5's. And in the two post season games his YPT was below 5.
Now, in both 2020 and 2022 Diggs had a YPT over 9 for the season.
2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:I’d liken the answer to this #1 WR question to that Supreme Court Justice’s answer to the definition of porn ; “ I know it when I see it “
What would have been your opinion of Diggs this last year as a #1 WR? He certainly looked the part in terms of both volume and production the first half of the season. But the second half of the season he was simply a guy getting a more targets than everyone else but not producing.
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1 hour ago, Dr. Who said:
Yes, let's use the abysmal performance of the WR room the second half of last year as the low bar threshold by which to measure what will be considered acceptable performance or not this year. The offense struggled. Maybe it won't with Brady and the new players, but I'm not all that confident about it. Kincaid is going to have to be the main target, I think, so I hope he has a leap and not a sophomore slump year.
The team went on like a six game winning streak when we "phased out" Diggs and Davis from the game plan. The offense was hardly abysmal. The offense was different, more running game and ball control but they won games. And that included scoring 27.5 ppg in the playoffs which was higher than their regular season average.
15 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:If a player lacks that athleticism (see Gabe Davis) then the ability to develop the techniques and routes that will allow them to consistently win at the next level isn’t as likely.
If I would have done my homework and knew that Coleman returned punts for FSU at 6'3" and 210lbs I would have had this guy as a top 5 WR in this years draft. Beyond athletic ability returning punts requires football instincts and vision, especially so when you body is a 6'3" 210lb target that doesn't have sub 4.45 speed.
Imagine Gabe Davis returning punts. Yikes!
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3 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:
Diggs wanted to win and he saw everyone else was just happy with hanging afc east banners. Most of you are going to love this team no matter what and that's your prerogative but he has no ties here and only has a few years left in his career and he wanted to win at least once and he didn't think he could do it here so best of luck to him. I hope he finds what he's looking for
For a guy that wanted to win so badly he sure did disappear often in the playoffs. And what was his deal in the second half of each of the last two seasons? Dude fell off a cliff in both seasons. But he "wants to win". Imagine how much better the Bills could have been last season when Shakir and Kincaid started to emerge in the second half of the season if Diggs had not disappeared down the stretch.
11 minutes ago, BillMafia716ix said:Folks are underestimating the Curtis Samuel pick up. He can be just as effective as Diggs was minus all the BS Diggs brought for half the price. This is a first elite QB he’s ever played with.
What's exciting is that we don't have a WR that is going to expect/demand 160+ targets from the QB. We should have great balance this year with 4 or more receivers including Kincaid all around the 80-120 target range.
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Shakir starter or complement piece?
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Troy Franklin and Brendan Rice this year are two. So when you say you doubt Justin Shorter would have been drafted this year, I'm sorry I don't put a lot of stock into that opinion.