Manther
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can't help but feel bad for browns fans. they really are pushing for most cursed sports franchise, if they hadn't clinched it already.
Better them than us. Their loss and Watkins is our gain. They just lost twice in less than 24 hours.
Serves them right for beating us 8-0 in a blizzard!
The Mistake by the Lake!
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Wasn't throwing darts....if you go back to 2013...same sources led me to the trade and drafting of EJ Manual. Just wish I had some insight into rounds 2 & 3...
Job well done!
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How is trading your 4th or 5th WR hindering the ability to win now?!I find it funny that people are quick to ship out the only WR on this team that has shown capable to repeat above average skill at the WR positoin in the NFL in favor of medicore to average small sample sizes (Goodwin and Woods) , a question mark in Williams, and TJ Graham who is perhaps one of the worst WR's in the game.
When we add talent in Watkins why can't we keep our good players currently on the roster instead of trying to replace them? This move seems kind of ass backwards considering the FO myopic goals as of late.
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A few hours have set in and I am not saying anything no one else has but I have to say it, because damn it, I have an opinion and this is the internet.
- This does not make us a better team.
- We have to wonder who else they want to bring in for WR. I am not comfortable going with pure youth and TJ Graham being the eldest WR on the roster.
- TJ Graham is going to make the roster
- This is hardly a surprise, I knew we would get Watkins and I knew we would ditch SJ13.
- There is no excuse for trading him. He is more valuable then any pick in 2015. Any. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, even if that bird is only a pigeon.
lastly,
- SJ13 is not the Prom Queen, but he is the chick you take to the dance and have a great night with and end with only some under the shirt, from the front no bra boobage. SJ13 has been one of the best WR's in the league in the last 10 years.
Unless TJ Graham is a returner next year (which I doubt) I would bet a lot he is NOT on the team next year. We would be better off with someone down on our depth chart as the #5 (Easley is #6 for STs) or an UDFA.
TJ is NOT a NFL WR! He jumps to catch almost every ball. He can't play in this league!
They paid for his flight to San Francisco, but he dropped the ticket!
Funny!
- This does not make us a better team.
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No, because you should have never eaten 4238 cheeseburgers...you should have used coupons for "Buy One Get One Free" and that way you'd never lose out on 1/2 the cheeseburgers.
Funny!
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Your thesis is that Whaley is clairvoyant: not only does he know who the next owner will be, but he also knows exactly what that owner wants and how to satisfy him. Care to rethink that?
Great use of the word "clairvoyant". I think you just confused 90% of the folks reading this!! Awesome!!
great post
They got more for Stevie than I thought they'd be able to at this point.
With the possible exception of going all-in on EJ, I can't think of a move Whaley has made that didn't make sense to me. I wish Stevie well, but am glad we did not waste one minicamp rep on him at the expense of Watkins, Williams, Woods or Goodwin.
All well said!
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How do you think the Eagles fans feel that they cut their #1 WR and got nothing in return? And he is now in their division. SJ wasn't close to the same player and they got a 4th rounder and he is in the opposite conference.
Great point!
And, I can't wait for 2 hours to pass so the draft can start again!
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Why do we need only one good receiver on the team?
This is akin to the falcons going - Well we have Julio Jones now....time for Roddy White to go.
Not even close to the same! Stevie is no Roddy White! As people have mentioned prior, Stevie was the 3rd, 4th or 5th WR on our roster for NEXT year. Roddy is either the Falcons 1B or #2. Apples to oranges. Embrace the change and winning culture coming. Stevie couldn't!
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this is a good take on it. If he didn't perform this year, which is a high possibility given the lack of chemistry he had with EJ when he was in games, and his injury issues, he would have had no value next year. This is a pretty good return. Also a good get for the 49ers because he won't draw top corner coverage (crabetree will) and will provide Kap another receiver.
It also saves us money towards the cap NEXT year. Where it would not have if we waited.
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Graham - Shouldn't be on a NFL roster
Woods - Unproven but perhaps could be a #2
Goodwin - A burner
Watkins - High upside to be a #1 but has never played an NFL game
Williams - HUGE wildcard on and off the field.
We traded our most reliable WR at a time our starting WR core is very raw and unproven. However the bigger issue with trading stevie is losing a proven body that can play the position. Injuries happen and we have horrific depth beyond these guys.
I don't think we are good enough or have the depth that makes it smart to trade a guy like Stevie.
I think Goodwin is more than a burner. He was very good last year when Stevie was out injured and in the top 2 WRs on the depth chart for games. He can catch and find the ball. He also plays bigger than his size and has sick hands. Hope he plays more!
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The Bills brass must have thought they would never get a better offer than what SF was willing to give up right now. And SF has 5 picks in rounds 2 and 3 this year, so SF had plenty of ammunition to play with. Personally, I would have liked to have kept SJ on the team at least into the pre-season and use him as trade bait when some other team has injuries to their starting WRs. *shrug*
I would agree. This seems like the most we could get for him. They have done their homework and shopping and know the value. If they could have gotten a higher pick or a 4th in this years draft they would have done it. Especially since the 4th round is not till tomorrow, so, they could not have been close to getting a 4th this year. If they were close, I don't think they would have done this deal till after rounds two and three unless they were scared SF would draft a WR and this offer would dry up. Carolina must not have been interested too. I thought it was more than we could have got for him.
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This is just absurd. What if Williams doesn't work out? What if he isn't worth $6+ million?
We would be down to Woods, Watkins, and Goodwin.
We essentially just spent two 1st rounders and stevie Johnson on Watkins. Overkill?
Williams is only $2 million or less next year. It jumps to $5 the following year. He has a one year tryout or he will be bagging groceries. So, he needs to play to get paid. We are no hook cap wise as the Bucs have eaten that portion.
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Good acquisition for the Niners, and will be happy to see Stevie in the playoffs.
Bills have spent 4 high draft picks on WRs in the past 25 months so this comes as no surprise.
Well said!
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Am I the only one who thinks Stevie is worth more than a bag of hockey pucks? I was very happy about the Sammy pick as it meant "!@#$ it, let's build now." We couldn't get a 5th round THIS year for him?
Agreed. I think Stevie's best days are behind him. I love our 3 WRs (Watkins, Woods and Goodwin) and like the chance we took on Mike Williams. The only thing that would be bad for us with this trade is injuries. I really want to see Goodwin on the field a lot and not just to stretch the field. I still think we should cut TJ Graham as he is not a NFL WR.
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Trade down and try to get at least 1 2015 pick back.
I don't want to trade down for picks in next years draft when THIS draft is stacked up better than almost any in the last 15 years. If we trade back it needs to be for picks for THIS years draft.
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With Watkins on board, we are stocked at WR, but still need a stud TE, and replacements at G and RT. Luckily for us, there are three, BIG, athletic TEs still available. There are more RT prospects than I can count, and not a single G is off the board yet.
With high picks in rounds 2 and 3, we are primed to fill all of these holes if we want to. With all these Ts, I’m sure a good one like Richardson from Tennessee will still be available in Round 3, so I target my favorite TE in round two because EJ needs a big target. He needs a safety net he can dump off to. And the Bills need some matchup nightmares who are huge (literally) Red Zone Threats. Take a RT in round three, then use your 4th and 5th as ammo to move back into the 3rd and select a quality G prospect.
We would then, on paper, have no holes on the offense. If EJ and these draft picks pan out, we are sitting pretty.
But even if he doesn't we already committed to EJ in 2015 by trading our first round pick away. That will give all of these offensive rookies and chance to learn and gel for two full seasons. If EJ is not 'the guy' our new QB, whomever he may be, will have a lot of good young targets and a very solid OL to play behind.
Go all in and finish the Offense!
I like where your head is at! We may be able to take the Guard in Round 4. But, if we love one and is there late 3rd I would be find trading into the 3rd for that Guard. Big day for the Bills! Big night! Can't wait!!
Agreed. Our defense is where it needs to be talent wise (though we'll see with the new scheme). All in on offense this draft!!!
Agreed on our D.
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I almost made the same thread but worried I would get scolded.
I would say 4th round, definitely consider it.
I like everything the Bills have done. But, we have now given up...this years 6th and next years 1st and 4th. So, we can't spend a 4th, or even our 5th on a backup. 7th maybe. UFA would be great. But, I do like Taj Boyd as a flier.
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I'm probably in the minority on this, but keeping hold of the 2nd this year was a coup. Yes, we gave the first next year. But the 2nd is more valuable now in trying to get this team one more starter and over the proverbial hump.
Agreed. Love that we have our draft picks this year still. The strongest draft in how long?! So, great job not trading away any picks (not including the 6th for Williams)
Nobody knows how Watkins will turn out. Not even Doug Whaley. I'm just glad he is willing to push the chips in when he has a strong feeling about a player. Last year, he (and Buddy...sort of) doubled back and got extra picks. It seems, in this small sample, that Whaley has an open mind about the draft and how to approach it. Perhaps a bit too much guesstimation on my part, but I love his conviction.
Agreed. Love the open mind, research and intelligence into decisions.
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Maybe good trade value for SJ would be during the 2014 season before the trade deadline. If a team loses their top 1, 2 and or top 1 and 2 WRs?
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I hope this is a joke
I don't think it is a joke. A team drafts a kicker in the 6th or 7th almost every year. And, Hopkins was the top rated kicker last year. We could trade him potentially.
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Don't forget about our 7th round kicker we drafted last year from FSU, someone needs a kicker, and we're all in love with the newly resigned Carpenter. So our backup kicker could be something to trade.
We do need so find a punter, cuz Moorman ain't going to cut it this year.
Am I the only one who thinks changing defenses again this year back to a 4-3 doesn't make sense. What if Schwartz get a head coaching job next year or the year after, we change defenses again seems like we're running around in circles chasing our tail.
I was more than fine resigning Carpenter. I hope we can get a 6th or 7th for Hopkins during the draft. Could happen.
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Whaley was in the Kirk chair for last year's draft.
Drafting a player into the league is the very definition of consensus building and Manuel was no exception. What's interesting about the consensus built around the selection of EJ is that NOBODY thought the best scenario would be for him to come in and be the immediate starter, that he was a very promising but raw prospect, with all the intangibles you want to see before taking a chance on such a player.
GO BILLS!!!
Loved the Kirk chair quote!
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Ya, have to disagree on this one! Different personalities and views on life and football.
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I really wanted Hardy that year. Could not believe he fell to us in the 2nd round. Not one WR was taken in the first that year at all. Well, I want Evans this year. So, hopefully history does not totally repeat itself.
RD2, Pick #44: T Cyrus Kouandjio - University of Alabama
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Not true. This is very, very deep.