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There is only one thing more pathetic than a Pat's fan who has 1200 posts on a Bill's board prostelyzing the divinity of Tom Brady; Any "NFL" QB throwing 4 INTs in a game. Hey Bollywood- Perhaps you'd like to tell us all when the last time it was that the "horribly disgusting" Drew Bledsoe threw 4 INTs in a game? The clock is ticking..........................................................................

You can't possibly still be clinging to that same invisible kite of BledsoeHate that doesn't allow you to recognize that Bledsoe has better overall talents as they relate the the NFL game than the circus act? Last check between the two is that one has led one team to the Super Bowl and earned a Super Bowl ring with another by supporting the other guys on his team while the bloody knife of.......- yeah, none of that makes any difference to the deluded. The flaws in Bledsoe's game are very clear- but they are virtually invisible when measured against the flaws in the little guy's game. Do you refuse to acknowledge that there are only 7 QBs in NFL HISTORY who have more productive arms than Bledsoe's? At some point it'd be best to stop embarrasing the balance of your family even if your own BledsoeHate obsession has taken on Taxi-Driveresque proportions. But hey, I'm merely offering my own opinion- you should feel free to continue supporting the argument for extending euthanasia to include our underachieving youth !

The last time the NFL revised their QB rating formula was in 1972, long before the advent of the West Coast offense and its offspring. Under the current system a player like Mark Brunnell is rated higher over his career than Jim Kelly as a passer. I can't hide my bias in JK's favor, but please folks, is there ANYONE objective who thinks Mark Brunnell is a passer deserving of mention in the same breath with Jim Kelly? The two great flaws in the system as I see it are the reliance on pass attempts as the fundamental statistic upon which all the other indicators are measured, with the only weighting of those attempts being done on a yards gained basis. Ignoring the obvious flaw in yards gained versus yards thrown weighting, there is an even greater problem in ignoring defensible passes versus indefensible passes. We've watched more and more as big passer ratings have been built upon little backfield passes, in fact some of the top rated QBs of the modern era play in systems where they are throwing 5-10% of their passes behind the LOS. Throwing most behind the LOS passes offers the extreme and unfair advantage that that type of pass that has little or no chance of being defensed or interrupted in any way by the defense such as by interception, with pressure, lane interference or being tipped. The very first measure the NFL should undertake in revising passer ratings is removing those types of passes from the general passer rating and possibly creating a seperate category for behind the LOS passes so as to cease penalizing the QBs in the league who play in traditional downfield offenses. The second flaw is adding the Run After Catch yardage and crediting this in full measure for the QB, when the measure is supposed to be for passing. It's not like there's any mystery about the depth of passes today, there are plenty of services that measure this every week. When we're creating a measure for "passing", it seems disingenuous to convolute those numbers with the variables of whether a team has very good receivers at running after the catch or not. I can recognize that some QBs are better than others at delivering the ball to spots that allow for more RAC, but to credit the QB with the ensuing yardage gained on the ground is overall unfair to those with less swift receiving corps, etc. The bottom line is we're supposed to be rating the passer's ability, not the abilities of the WRs or the lack of quality of the defenses faced, and certainly not the passer's ability to throw uncontested passes in their own backfield. The measures that would result from adopting these revisions would never end the disagreements on the play of Quarterbacks, but it would go far in offering a more accurate measure of actual "passing" ability. In the quest for establishing a "passer rating" the league should take measures to stop diluting their formula with elements that offer major advantages to many lesser passers.

To be fair- these ARE the top 5 Quarterbacks in the NFL today based upon the rating system adopted by the league in 1973, which makes the order the Official NFL Rank of the League's Quarterbacks- in other words the NFL recognizes these 5 as the best at their position in the league this year ;-) And BTW- I've always hated the rating system because it is so generous to any quiche eater who leads the league in passes attempted behind the Line Of Scrimmage. For the long ball guys to get into the top 5 they have to be playing far better than their dink and dunk counterparts, all of whom have elevated ratings as a result of the sytems they play in.

Not to mention the name on your jersey ;-)

It's a league-wide phenomenon with roots in a couple of things, one being the thug mentality some owners have adopted after the success of the Raiders in exploiting two fans bases and unbelievably coming away stronger (from a merchandising standpoint) for it. Another thing is that disposable fan income is so much higher than in the early days of the franchise- you can ask the old-timers here about their first years after hitting 18 years old and the "game budget" that back them might have allowed for a third beer- if you were giving up something else during the week. These are not items that are likely to be fully correctable but there could be some measures taken to reduce their frequency.

You've been around here long enough to know TIP (time in pocket) has NO bearing on a QB's reputation ;-)

What makes it ironic is the fact that the media "darling" in NE only lost one player from his 2005 offensive Super Bowl roster during the off-season. But... but... but... or maybe more appropriately Butt.......Butt......Butt ;-) Where's old Bollywood Donahoe with his 1200 plus posts here demanding Bill's fans worship at the altar of the Piper's Son?

Since we're not including our own QB who rated a 62 yesterday, it's hard to add some shlub who left the field with a QB rating of 42. Odd what a little pressure does to guys without a top defense giving them extra offensive series!

These are the 5 top-rated Quarterbacks in the NFL this season, which one is the best?

I thought it was JP's best game as a Bill. He actually moved up in the pocket to convert a third down, something I've been waiting for him to do since he arrived in Buffalo. He acknowledges he bailed on his linemen on the Moulds toss. He's been the cause of maybe half the pass pressure since he retook the job from Holcomb, a guy who's only saving grace is he virtually never bails out of the pocket. JP's major handicap is his reliance on on his feet and the discouraging effect that has on his linemen when they've done everything by the book to provide him a spot to throw from simply to see JP slide out and into the grasp of a guy they've kept out of the play. If he calms down and allows the game to come to him instead of trying to do too much he'll find far more success in a shorter period of time.

A fine trip outside of that 3 hours on Sunday! Great to meet you and your girl on Friday, plus The Dean on Saturday. Seems like football was the only thing getting in the way of a perfect weekend.

Since the vast majority of them have actually only been "Pat's fans" for some fraction of that 4 year period there's legitimate concerns about how they'll deal with the 75 year dry spell they're entering. Psychotropics and Antidepressants would be one way to start. The obvious choice for them all though is to do exactly the same thing they did from 2001-2004 and buy themselves a full complement of Bengal's gear!

I'll do a bit more diligence to this if I get a chance, but in watching some of the first half again last night the vast majority of the pass play calling by San Diego were 5 and 7 step drops with the primary look being at deeper patterns. Out of the first maybe 18 pass plays there were only 3 designed "short passes" (and those three were thrown on consecutive downs) that included a WR screen, a 3 step WR flat pass and a 3 step slant to their TE, otherwise EVERY play was more along the lines of their very first pass play; a 7 step drop with a 45 yard throw on a deep post. I'm beginning to wonder if, outside of his career best game against us this season, the Pats are beginning to think they misjudged Wilfork's ability.

Is my memory clouded or were we not in recent times one of the best D's at making adjustments on the fly? This season we just get worse as the game goes on. I'm with you Eric as far as it being the personnel. We have 6 guys who could find a starting role on a top NFL defense, and then we have our interior line and another guy named after something that requires fertilizer. I was hoping we'd learned our lesson about that the first time it happened ;-)

Interesting that you would suggest this, so I checked it out. We'll ignore for the time being his title and sig line that you agree are insults the Bills- let me give you a breakdown in his 1660 posts of his "contributions"- He's got a handful of PPP posts that are of no consequence He has about 550 post proclaiming Bill Belichick to be god with no forces that can keep him from winning (even injuries ;-) plus his obilgatory anti-Bledsoe garbage. The balance of his 1100 posts are repetitive proclamations that we as Bills fans simply don't understand that Tom Brady is the best QB who has ever sniffed another man's jockstrap. The odd thing is he hasn't been very succesful influencing anyone here since as the poll that begins this string indicates merely among the QBs we've played this year Bill's fans clearly aren't convinced that Brady is even the best QB we've played in 2005. So his contributions frantically waving a Brady flag around here wherein his infallible object of desire is god. A record of contributions? Perhaps- on a par with the "contributions" of Lawrence Phillips to the Denver Broncos.

We've had to many good contributors from other teams in here talking football without insulting the team to simply ignore some jackass with a derogatory name while he runs around making the disingenuous claim that it's an "inside joke". Rules are made for those with no respect for others, manners are made for those that do. I'm inappreciative of his lack of the latter.

Who're you trying to convince? You've found 2 Bills fans out of a membership list numbering over 5000 who don't recognize that "Hollywood Donahoe" is an insult to our GM and that your sig line is an insult to a former Bill. The great balance of those here recognize that you're an ingracious pile of garbage in our house. Enjoy your spot on the social scale, it's quite befitting of the Patsy fan base ;-)

If I come to dinner at your house, as your guest, and wear an apron that says "Your Wife's Cooking Sucks", I won't expect to be treated very well nor will I expect to be invited back. In fact if she doesn't spit in my food you need to have a talk with her. If someone comes into a Bill's home and choose the derogatory name "Hollywood Donahoe" I'll choose to treat him the way he has asked to be treated- like an ass. The reason "trolls" exist is to try to find wedge issues and promote that among the other fan base. This guy is the classic troll- looking to put a split between a couple of Bills fans like you and I who like to talk about football, and doing it by IMO fooling you into accepting his repetitive, disingenuous and transparent insult to our GM. And his insistence on continued use of the offensive title is once again IMO clear evidence of his jackass purpose for being here. If you go to anyone else's house and make some verbal error that you later realize can clearly be taken offensively, any mannered guest immediately drops the use of the offensive language, even if it only offends 25 of the 30 people at the table.

We were without doubt an overated D last season, but I don't know if I'd put as much blame on the declining skills of our run package DTs. PW surely didn't get teh penetration he had shown in I believe his 2nd and 3rd seasons, but his role had evolved to really playing run downs and leaving fdor REdwards. Since as of last year Big Sam was still playing the penetrating role in run D, PW was playing mostly a 3 technique that required he NOT charge the backfield. Even this said, and with his far more limited plays, he still had 2.5 sacks for the season, the second best in his career and for more sack yardage than at any point in his career. I think the best question about our defense for the past few seasons is whether Gray is a guy who is calling a great game with lesser talent or a guy with the benefit of good talent but not great scheming. One thing I'm sure of is that along the DLine he has one of the- maybe the- worst groups of interior DLine "talent" in the league.

I won't ask you to recognize when someone's blowing smoke up your ass as this douchebag obviously is. In return I'll simply ask you not to interfere with me defending members of our Bill's family against dishonest sack of garbage trolls.

Isn't it funny that without a dominating D the Pat's are hovering around the .500 mark? Isn't this the same team who just last year could "plug anyone into any spot", possesses the "best QB in the history of the game" and the "greatest coach ever", yet wouldn't even be in the hunt for a playoff spot in the other AFC divisions? What they've become is the "excuses" team and Brady the "excuses" QB. It's hard to imagine anyone who watched Drew Brees play yesterday doesn't believe Brees would have done the same thing with the NE D's of the recent past.

Nice try Mr. Disingenuous! Your name is a swipe at our team. And that makes you a jackass since this is a Buffalo Bill's Message Board. Cry to someone else about how the obvious innuendo doesn't really mean anything- as hard as it is to imagine there's surely someone illucid to the point of not recognizing your shots at our team. The fact is that if I go to a Pat's board and title myself "Pioli's Lice Spray" I can scream and cry all I want, like you do here, that "it's just an inside joke", but the reality is that you've made a joke of our GM and I think you're an a-hole for it. So whine and cry all you want (while you send those "wink wink" PMs to the other Pat's trolls) but you don't fool anyone here with an ounce of intelligence.

Your name is a degradation of a member of our management. It's not for the "guest" to decide what kind of insults to throw at the host's family. And your disingenuousness is even futher evidenced by your scumbag sig line making further reference to the same member of the Bill's family. We've had well-mannered trolls on this board and they've never assumed some garbage personality like you have, taking shots at our people while crying like a baby about the "treatment" you get. But do come back regularly to remind us all of just how pathetic you and the bulk of your fan base really are.

You are true scum- you like to ignore that this is a Bill's Message Board. Were I as pathetic as you and couldn't find my opinions valuable in my own community I might try posting on a Patriot's board, but even then to be a full-on scumbag like you I'd have to take a name like "Paoli's Indigestion" and then incessantly rip on the management of your team while whining like a pansy that "they're not being nice to me". Without a doubt you are the single most disingenuous poster in the history of this community. You remind me of someone who wandered into someone else's Thanksgiving dinner after stepping in dog**** and wondering why all but the most incoherent people at the table are wondering who invited you!