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"Backed up with results"...after less than one year as HC?? And keeping talented guys regardless of their talent is also a recipe for disaster, IMO...look at the best and most successful teams. They play as TEAMS, not as talented individuals. So Marrone wants men who will play as a TEAM and not just a superstar or great player individually. Honestly, I understand you don't want to see good to great players come to Buffalo and then shuffled off to other teams and do really well for other teams only to see Buffalo struggle year-in-and-year-out, I get it...but at the same time, with all the parity in the NFL, do you really want to see a ship of unruly miscreants (can you say Cowboys?) who have no desire to play as a team but merely pout out of the stadium with time still left on the clock?? I for sure as hell do not! I would rather watch a group of guys who are still talented but play hard, work hard, study hard, and gel as one cohesive unit than a dozen Dez Bryants. The Giants had a great Defense and Eli was under seige the first year they won it all against the Pats, but they came together as a team and did the unthinkable: they beat an undefeated and more talented QB in Brady in the Super Bowl, and did it again a few years later. You're telling me the Ravens were the most talented team in football last year? Or that the year Green Bay won it all, they were the best Defense in the league?? No, they won and lost as a TEAM...there's games when the Offense overshadows a poor showing of a Defense and games when a stingy Defense helps a struggling Offense and games when field position and Special Teams are an important part of a win when the Offense can't get out of its own way or can't go the full 80 yards to score. So, yeah give me a Coach who values team and winning mentality as a TEAM over indivudally talented players, in the long-run, the team mentality will always win more games. Btw, it's not like the BILLS are going to forego getting talented players, see Lawson and Branch and Hughes as talented players who weren't the marquee names some people were looking for but are obviously key pieces in the BILLS limited success thus far.
Also, despite the sarcasm in your statement about Lombardi, he didn't have nearly the amount of information exposure and media demands the coaches and teams have today. Let's put that in perspective as well.
In concept I don't disagree with anything you said, but there is a line. If a coach can handle a guy like Stevie Johnson, who is far from a real troublemaker, and can't get something from the talent of CJ Spiller, who really doesn't seem like a "me" guy, and the coach know this to the point of cutting them, why not look in the mirror and try to adjust? Guys with major flaws like Bryant, Hernandez and perhaps Rogers and Lynch need to be dealt with but if you need to get rid of guys like Stevie then you need to go back to coaching school.
Where is the line? It is different for every coach and that is ok. It just seems this guy's line is on the hyper sensitive end of the spectrum and on top of that he does the messaging through his press agent. If he is asking fans to drink the Kool Aid we should ask him to change the formula.
Oh I dunno.... Let's look at just MLB and mind you I think personnel decisions are more collective than Just Marrone. Brought in Kiko, traded Shep for Hughes. That made the team better at two spots.
Then there is safety; moved Aaron Williams to safety where he's getting considerable Probowl votes. Also was very professional about Byrds hold out and then PF.
Also, if rep and fatigue Analytics or strength and conditioning have anything to do with it, no clue but, I can't remember the IR being less crowded.
Next; he empowers the players on the team way too much to be a my way or highway guy. Telling his guys to hold their team mates accountable. Weekly meetings with captains, have team leaders the floor after a big loss.
A far as roster moves to come; fact of the matter is there are guys on the team that as good as they are or as hard as they work, they are just not good enough to win consistantly with. Stevie, CJ, TJ, MD99, Pears, moats, Nigel, chandler, all have consistency problems or are just plain not productive enough.
Stevie makes too many errors and maybe just will never be the reliable guy they need. Spiller is feast or famine. TJ is all wheels and no hands. MD99 or Kyle? Something is just not quite right with the interior d line. Pears just not good enough, moats not a 3 down backer, Nigel kind of the same, Chandler, the guy is invisible in the red zone where most tight ends make their living...
Also both guards are suspect, but that isn't news.
Ultimately like you see with championship teams you need to get to where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.
Now we're cutting Dareus too? Awesome. Maybe if we kept Kiko, Lawson, Hughes and Alan Branch and got 49 new players that would be the way to go because those guys make Marrone look good.
And Spiller is supposed to be more than feast or famine with a line that by your definition is 60% bad?
Chandler's contract is up and all of the other guys you mentioned are marginal talents, backups or both. I don't think Brown was referring to TJ Graham when he discussed potentially surprising cuts.
I want Marrone to succeed just like I wanted Greggo to succeed. I see enough parallels that it worries me.
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Peyton Manning is SI Sportsman of the Year.
Boy that cut out in the promo looked nothing like Manning. My guess was Mike Tyson. Manning is funny though. He must have dressed up for that and hunched his shoulders all up just to fool people. It worked.
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none of that matters to a dude like me. I want to make my own choices and I am content on facing the consequences of those, too. Because I make good decisions.
The ACA does nothing but take my freedoms and choices and tell me how I have to do something. It takes free market and capitalist value out of America. Those are two things I like. It forces me to pay for coverage I do not want and makes me pay for others I don't give two craps about. Yes, that means I don't really care about them. If you still need help understanding how heartlessly cold that is - I don't want to pay for an alcoholic druggie d-bag getting a new liver.
I see what you mean about paying for other people but why single out Mr. Wawwrrwwrorwrrw?
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This post is just so spot on.
Spiller is constantly hurt and refuses to take hits up the middle. Remember when they talked early in the offseason about giving Spiller the ball all the time. Well, I think they found out real quick just how soft a runner he is. You need a RB who can hit it up between the tackles in the Read-Option. You don't need a pure downhill runner, but a guy who is not afraid to get small and pound it up the middle. Look at how successful McCoy is in Philly this year. He isn't a bounce it outside guy. And you can't build an offense around a RB who is always looking to bounce outside and avoid contact.
And thinking on Stevie is that he just isn't that number one top flight WR that you put up with his lack of accountability. If was making catches all over the field and could run every route, you absolutely would. He is a good player with questionable character, questionable leadership, and who has continually not been a clutch performer. In the Carolina game, he literally spoke about how he was worried about dropping that pass. He was wide open! If they want to make a statement and move these guys outta here, I'm honestly all for it.
If they cut Spiller and Johnson it will be confirmation that Dougie has a fragile ego. I wonder if after years of failure people will still defend him. It worked for another Dougie with a frail ego once upon a time.
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Please stop making me defend this putz:
we need to factor that into the urgency of getting China, Russia, Japan, South Korea, all of us, uh, to stay on the same page and to put as much effort into the denuclearization as possible.Tell me how you would denuclearize someone that hadn't already been nuclearized?
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What is his way and does it have anything to do with personality? Or is it about work ethic, commitment to team, and professionalism, coach and player traits that Marrone knows can produce winning teams.
If you want to call that "personality" you're way off base. Has there ever been a winning coach that has not valued those traits. If you say Marrone's looking for those traits equates to his personality, then I would say that Lombardy, Belichick, Knoll, and all of the SB winning coaches were "infected" with the same personality. Why in the world should that worry you or any Bills fan????
Regarding concern that Marrone has his team stand at attention during the singing of the national anthem. How silly is that. Isn't that a sign of professionalism and team discipline? Isn't that attending to every detail. Conversely, figeting around and not attending to the singing of the national anthem is a sign of lack of personal discipline and perhaps, disrespect. Look around you at the next game. Not only do people stand at attention, many of them hold their hands over their hearts and sing. I must say that as a Viet Nam era vet, having gone through military style discipline training, having had friends die in that war, I am among those that stand and proudly sing.
Belichick prohibits players from airing dirty laundry about the Patriots. He demands discipline and if he does not get it, that player is usually gone. Isn't that a little like what Marrone and Brown are saying and don't you really think that's a good thing???
I probably used the word personality where I should have used the word style. Outside of that, I disagree with what you are saying. Although I personally prefer when someone stands at attention during the national anthem I don't care in which hand that person holds their helmet. I thank you for your service to the country and truly appreciate it. The point I used about the national anthem had little to do with the national anthem itself and more to do with Marrone's style. Does anyone really need to attend a class about how apply Marrone's style to the national anthem? Certainly if they are goofing around during the anthem they need to hear about it from the coach....but a class? Should Mario Williams be cut if he holds his helmet incorrectly?
And give me a break about Bellichick please. You think he didn't know Hernandez was a dirt bag before Hernandez killed somebody? Like I said, there is a line and it is ok for be a little different with every coach but cutting talented guys because they aren't your style and waiting for someone to commit murder before letting them go are the opposite ends of the spectrum. Bellichick's displays an arrogance that he can correct anything. Marrone's seems to point at an insecurity about his own ability to be questioned. With a guy like Marshawn Lynch it was somewhere in between Hernandez/Johnson. I can't find too much fault in the Bills letting him go but at the same time I can't say a better group of coaches couldn't have rectified that situation.
Again these are just examples. I am more concerned that some nuance in Marrone's style will lead him to dump a talented player. "Discipline" "commitment to team" and "professionalism" are all important and also all subjective. I'm glad Marv didn't view Thurman's earrings as unprofessional because at the time they were certainly unusual. Marv adapted to his surroundings. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see that with Marrone. If he dumps Stevie or CJ you will know he has a screw loose.
You could argue though, that a coach like that with winning results on his side gets no complaints from fans, ala Belichick. I understand your point, to not have a tyrant as a HC because of the potential negative consequence it has on morale in the locker room. But then again, Vince Lombardi was not exactly a feel-good HC or Parcells and now Billy Boy...but they all won too...which is my point, I agree that a HC needs to know his men and how to coach them, but it is way too soon to begin to question Marrone's style for the positive or the negative. And, as of right now, there's been no ostensible demonstration of Marrone choosing character over talent. Rogers was passed over by all the teams and it was the BILLS who gave him a chance, they didn't like what they saw - for whatever reason- but they gave him a chance, knowing his questionable character issues. That to me says they're willing to overlook some indiscretions, but they want to see heart and willingness to mature. Hopefully the kid has done that and will continue to do that, but you don't know it wasn't the BILLS cutting him that got him to wake up a bit and realize talent is only one third of what is required in the NFL. Hard work and a team mentality are the other parts of the whole.
A tyrant is fine by me when backed up with results. This "we might cut talented guys after the season" message should not be delivered by the team press agent if the message is really from the coach. It should be delivered by the coach. Did Lombardi ever send out a public relations firm to do his work?
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Nice Administration..................
Secretary of State John Kerry Doesn’t Know That North Korea Has Nuclear Weapons.
Quick, someone sear it into his memory............
Valerie Jarrett photo-touts Obama interview with ‘Family Feud’ host
http://twitchy.com/2...dvertent-truth/
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Kerry seems aware that NK has the weapon in your link.
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Comparing Marrone to Gregg "Kobra Kai" Williams is utter nonsense.
Marrone - NFL playing experience followed by assisting on multiple successful NFL teams and respect from multiple players and H/C's around the league - the guy's been part of NFL success at multiple stops.
Greggo - HS experience, followed by an "in" with a friend onto the Titans staff, working his way quickly up to DC then riding top talent and dirty play to a stupid head coaching hire by the Bills that no other team repeated.
Maybe the players whining about Marrone's attitude are the ones who need to go because they aren't all-in on winning?
I hope Marrone is not like Williams but people can reach the same destination following different paths.
What players are whining? All I hear in the press is back channel crap about Marrone flexing his muscles.
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Please tell me where Brown ever said that TALENTED guys have to be let go because they don't match Marrone's personality. That bad reading is yours. There are players on this team that lack the talent to be part of a championship team. I think that is what Brown was talking about. It's not about matching Marrone's personality. Its about getting talented players that have top grade work ethic and show complete dedication to TEAM.
From the original post in this thread:
CB: As I said on the radio earlier this week, there are roster changes on every NFL team every year, but I foresee changes here in Buffalo that will surprise some people in the offseason. This first year, Marrone has been very thorough in making assessments of the players on this roster and whether he can win with them his way.
If he feels he cannot they will not be here long term. And let me be clear in saying what can earn a player a ticket out of here sooner rather than later goes far beyond athletic ability. Work ethic, commitment to team and professionalism are all qualities that are coveted by Marrone and his staff too.
In fact in some cases lacking in one of those three areas might lead to a player dismissal (cut or traded) even if said player has the ability to help them win.
That is Chris Brown speaking, not Marrone, but it clearly states he want guys to do it "his way" and talent is not the only factor. Don't get me wrong, true malcontents should be cut loose, but it all depends where the coach draws the line. Too far to one side and you have an unruly locker room, too far to the other side and you deplete your team of talent. This crap about "my way" is what worries me. That sounds like Greggo.
Work ethic, commitment to team and professionalism are all very desirable. They are also subjectively judged. As one other poster pointed out, Marrone had a class on how to stand for the national anthem. If a player holds his helmet in the wrong hand for the anthem, is that unprofessional and a ticket out of town? We don't know where the line is drawn for Marrone. I did not read it poorly, you did.
If Marrone draws these lines in the right places, that will make him a good coach long term; if not we are digging a deep hole again. I hope he shows more flexibility than rigidity but so far what I hear from him makes me worried.
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Update:
Jefe is back at work and I had him go vacuum the fog and wake up Sven.
Part 1 is complete but he said Sven is out like a light and he smells real bad. He must have started boozing it up when he warmed up the car. He is going to pay to have my garage fumigated. Beerboy is going to pay half because he never showed up with the gas and Jefe had to go get it.
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More like a robotic cow. http://www.theregist...oston_dynamics/
Dude, you've met the Googlebot and you know I commandeered him YEARS ago. This purchase and the little toys are merely cover for what they have already developed. Nobody is going to know what hit them.
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What would you prefer? He has taken one season and he's watched. If there are players who are not committed or productive then how long would you like him to wait? Remember, productivity...how many really productive players are there on this team? Can't win without productivity.
Addressing it himself? Go listen to his press conferences.
Please define your winning formula.
I'd much rather have this approach vs. Greggo's or Gaileys. Gregg jettisoned talent before seeing people play a down. Gailey had to have his offensive toy and allowed his DC to switch the team to a new alignment even though they didn't have the talent to support it.
This approach is Greggo's approach IMHO. So what if he takes a year and determines talented guys have to go because they don't match his personality instead of doing it day one? There is no way he will ever be able to assemble 53 Mini-Marrones and be successful. He has to be able to adapt. To run Chris Brown out there to basically say we will be getting rid of talented players between this year and next and not follow it up with....but they will be replaced by equally talented players....is not something that makes me feel like he understands the goal of winning. It is more like his goal is establishing his own authority.
Look, maybe people are reading too much into this and it was really just Brown's opinion. But to suggest the Bills will get better by purging SJ and CJ? I realize nobody named names but those are both plausible and have been widely speculated, especially SJ. Stevie is a talented guy and his talent is unique. That can help a team win. If CJ is purged, Marrone ought to be shipped to some asylum.
My approach would be to continuously examine the players but also myself. If i can't get the talent to perform, then I had better adapt my style. If there is a true malcontent, so be it, he is gone. But I need to evaluate that guy on his impact to the team, not his impact to some empire I am building.
If there are several guys I see as talented malcontents, then I am doing something wrong, because I can't reasonably expect their replacements to be equally talented and fit my mold. The solution to that is most certainly not having Chris Brown notify the fans that we are getting rid of good players in favor of guys who will do what I say.
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No, Google bought a company that makes robots.
Thus Google is making robots. Be careful; they may embed robots in your tractor and take over your farm.
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I couldn't open it because I don't have an account or something. Kept going back and forth between some bot thing and something political. Not sure what I'm looking at here.
Google is making robots now. Evidently Googles robots are shutting down the link.
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RIP. Stevie's mom raised s good kid from everything I can see. That is far more important than football.
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And if you think they don't have more than what they are showing in those videos you are sadly mistaken. Be ready!
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Has he done that?? With what player? If you worry about things that may never happen, you'll get grey hair before turning 18.
Brown referenced the WR from Tennessee (name I can't recall this moment) as someone Marrone released because he wasn't a team player and, possibly, because of a bad work ethic. That player appeared in a game last week and caught two TDs. Is it posible that, having been cut by Buffalo, that player got religion with Indi and that cutting the player was good for the player? Or maybe that was a one time occurance. Maybe, if it doesn't work out for that player, he becomes toxic to team chemistry? Can't we just wait and see with him?
Lets not create perceived problems with Marrone that may not exist.
He hasn't done it yet. He is merely relaying a message through the team press mouthpiece that he will. I assume this will be after the season. Which means 1. He is willing to cut talented players because he is unable to adapt his coaching style and 2. He pre-announces this through a back channel rather than addressing it himself. Pardon me if that doesn't strike me as a winning formula.
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I find it hard to believe that Marrone doesn't understand this.......after spending as much time in the NFL as he has he would have to be a complete meathead to not see this.
That was my feeling at first too. But now, I'm not sure. I sure hope I'm wrong but I see a lot more "me me me" when I read between Marrone's line than I see "us us us". And having Chris Brown deliver the message? Really? It's like a 7th grade girl getting her friend to tell a boy that she likes him.
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it's year one of a new system with a lot of rookies. Sure I"d love to see the team at .500 or better, but all in all lets be realistic here.
firing Marone now is a bit premature.
I would never advocate firing Marrone for being 4-9 with a young team. Year 1's W-L record for any coach will be difficult. And coaches can turn that around over time.
What is not usually turned around is a blowhard attitude where a coach blames everyone but himself and surreptitiously and gutlessly uses a team mouthpiece as a messenger to notify the fan base of an oncoming talent purge.
A rookie 4-9 coach certainly has a shot as a team is being built. A rookie blowhard, my way or the highway, inflexible dolt rarely has a shot. A rookie, blowhard, my way or the highway, inflexible dolt whose way of "manning up" is to get Chris Brown to send warnings to the fans is someone who should probably save the fan base two more years of misery and just resign now.
The talent base in the NFL is full of prima donnas who prefer to play in some big market with glitz and glamour. Along comes a guy like Stevie who is a VERY good player, attaches himself to Buffalo and wants to stay for the long term. Marrone's answer to Stevie having some issues is going to be to cut him, rather than work with some VERY mild personality traits? Give me a break. And Spiller? Are you kidding me? So our backfield will now consist of Jackson, who gets a lot of deserved love, but is getting up there in age and a guy named Bingo? Really? Or we can waste a draft pick. Great.
And we're supposed to be proud to where our stuff again? Really Doug? Why should we be proud? Because you told us to be proud and adjusted your style 0% to match the team you had? Why not just skip a step and we can all wear Marrone sweatshirts? Because it really is all about you right?
Everyone likes to make fun of Jauron and he had his flaws, but being a blowhard was not one of them. Give him this roster and he wins more...not playoffs but maybe a game or two. The big difference is next year's team would improve. It would probably do so too slowly but it would improve. Under this guy it will do exactly what it did with Greggo; implode and dig a 3 year hole. Because this guy IS Greggo.
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The way this franchise manages the financial side of things, does anyone honestly believe that Marrone has the freedom to shape the roster how he wants?
He can get rid of good players when he can't manage them, get rid of bad players and pick up bad players at will. What more could he want?
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I posted this in the pre-season:
For what it's worth, I have an "inside source" (the best friend of one of the vets on the team), and he told me that there's a feeling amongst the vets that Marrone is somewhat over the top in terms of being hands on and controlling. The one example cited was that the Bills had a lesson during TC in how they were all supposed to stand during the national anthem (i.e., hold your helmet in this hand, put your feet like this, put your hand like this, etc.).
I sort of remember that and honestly at the time I was ok with it because we all have to learn and adapt. I was hopeful Marrone would. Now he is starting to look like Greggo 2.0 and has the Soviet media aka Brown running interference for him.
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Please tell me Marrone is not another my way or the highway guy. That got "fat guy" Pat Williams about 5 pro bowl years.......for the Vikings. London Fletcher got moved out....Spikes....Lynch....and others....all because coaches/GMs whose egos were too big to realize that they are a part of the team.....not the whole team. They all think they are General Patton. Instead of looking inwardly and improving their coaching skills to motivate guys like this, who are inevitable on any roster of 53, they "make examples" of them and assemble a minor league roster. Get the talent....coach the talent. A real malcontent can go, but if you're waiting for 53 perfect individuals you'll be waiting for a while. This guy can't handle the relatively innocent Stevie Johnson? A guy who wants to stay in Buffalo and wants to win here? If he can't do that he should simply resign instead of cutting Johnson to look like some sort of tough guy. If he is unable to handle Stevie his failure is inevitable. Spare us the misery; we've had enough.
Marrone looks more and more like Gregg Williams every day. It's too bad really. I think either one could have been a good coach if they had just an ounce of humility. Greggo didn't/doesn't. Marrone???????
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www.googleityoustupidmother!@#$er.com
I am getting errors. Can you check the spelling on that site? It sounds interesting.
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It's early, and I might be dyslexic, but I swore the title of the thread said, "Who does #2 for work?"
That'd be a ****ty job.
I thought this was going to be about Austin Powers.
Not to be negative about Woods
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Why risk it? We should put him on the cut list with SJ, CJ and Dareus.