FireChan

We have no other ability to bank on pal.

This dude is honestly an embarrassment.

Oh good heavens, I don't mean this year.

A few lucky bounces could get us to 9-7.

Sounds like next year will suck too. Not looking forward to it at all.

EJ turns it over 3 times in 1 minute. No thanks. I'd like to watch something passable.

Are you out of your mind? Still gotta keep TT around.

Fire 'em both.

Sure thing.

Right. And what he is is our best chance to win.

Had the defense forced a punt in the second half, we coulda pulled it out. What's more realistic, expecting a single punt or our QB to throw more than 300 yards and 3 TD's? Call it a day Joe. TT wasn't perfect, but he made enough plays to win. The rest of the team made enough to lose.

Do first half yards not count?

You took convincing?

We can only "know" his positives. That's basically John's position.

No, but I have enough data to form an opinion so far. And so far, he's been okay.

Shifting the goal posts? I'm not "the fans." Don't attribute someone else's opinion with mine. I wanted an improvement over EJ and I got one. I'm not sure if he is enough of an improvement. Are you asking me to be happy without a good QB? You keep calling me impatient, but why? TT hasn't proved anything. Why am I impatient? I just told you about a billion times I don't want him benched or cut. So what is the big deal? Do I have to bow before him?

I dont think anyone is advocating cutting Tyrod. He's certainly shown enough to keep him on the roster. But his position needs to be improved, whether it is by him improving or finding a replacement who is better. Nothing else matters. Also, Joe Flacco won a Super Bowl by being the best playoff QB of all time. He wasn't throwing the ball 17 times a game. Really, the only real example is Wilson, but he's clearly leagues better than TT. Not even close, really.

It's not tearing them down so much as being honest in my evaluations. I gave EJ no such "cushion" because I rooted for him to do well. It would make me a hypocrite to play favorites. Like you said, you aren't evaluating, you're hoping they do well. That's why there's a disagreement.

I'm not blaming him, it is what it is. You can believe that the system is the cause, that Roman is tying down a golden-armed QB with this system, and that with Adam Gase, Tyrod would be throwing 250+ yards a game. I believe that the system is the effect. I believe that Tyrod would be much worse in a different system because he's just not that good and Roman's system is keeping him afloat.

I'm not saying Tyrod isn't our best option at QB right now. I'm saying that even though Tyrod has been decent, he is playing in a system that is designed to take him out of the game in his normal position as much as possible. It's not like he's completing 20+ passes every game and putting together passing drives every week. We either rush for 150 yards and win, or don't and lose. Tyrod just has to not puke on his shoes. And that's no long term answer at QB.

Why is that John? Is it because he's a great thrower and good QB? Or is it because he's not that?

He's being asked to not throw the ball. Why is that?

They would not have flamed out. Both Wilson and Dalton won the job outright after being drafted. They didn't sit for 3 years. Some guys just take steps, and other guys don't.

#NotAPasser #TheFacilitator

No I don't. Show me an example of another NFL "QB" who's job isn't to pass but just to "facilitate the offense," whatever that means. The only example I can think of is Brad Smith at Wildcat QB and Tim Tebow. We all know what's happening here. You're not talking others into Tyrod, you're talking yourself into Tyrod.