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1 minute ago, Donuts and Doritos said:
The breakdowns ahead of the draft say Franklin struggles w/ press coverage and blocking on film. Worthy is shorter & faster, they have a tougher time getting hands on him.
Now in fairness I'm not sure Worthy's frame holds up when he does get hit & they said he did have some drops & some concentration issues.
My point is our WR room is not nearly good enough & I don't see the remaining players on the board fixing that (also have an issue w/ compensation received but that's a different issue). There's no WR 1 available there.
But the idea of trading for a SF WR is interesting & could fill that immediate hole. Hoping you're right & Beane pulls something off before the season. Not thrilled, but I'm trying to accept it, & be a windshield person instead of a rearview mirror person (look forward instead of backward).
And the point that KCs WR room clearly wasn’t good enough in December of 2024. Then suddenly it was. We’re going to add a WR they think will get the job done. Then it’s up to the coaches and individuals to put in the work and make plays on game days
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4 minutes ago, Toyo321 said:
When is the last time we have had a receiver that can flat out smoke any DB on the opposing team. So instead of taking a chance on this guy an bulking him up in the weight room abit we just pass on him and move further down the draft list. Teams this year went up in this draft to get better talent not backwards.
Listen to yourself, going backwards or taking a step back in anything is considered counterproductive.
If Worthy comes out this year, and torches the other teams that KC plays after adding this guy to their roster, and we are still working with our pathetic hodge podge receiving corps, I bet you will start to sing a different toon.....
Their is a common thread with many other Bills fans that kept agreeing that this move did not make us a better team... Get real. KC got better.
Of course they got better by drafting after drafting a player in rd 1……This has nothing to do with my statement.
You act as if worthy is the only WR that can help us. KC would’ve “gotten better” if they had drafted any of the top 10 WRs…..
Beane didn’t like Worthy. You mad. Throw fit. Like others.
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11 minutes ago, cale said:
or...you call the other teams...below or even above and say KC trying to move up. Whatcu got?
Or….maybe he did? He said he talked to at least 6-7 teams.
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lol…..now Xavier Worthy is Tyreek Hill 2.0 🤦🏻♂️
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17 minutes ago, LarryMadman said:
Seems like they go Dejean then trade up for one of the WR. If they go WR at #33, what's their plan for #60? Trade back again?
I’m thinking it’s Dejean or Newton first, then trade up for WR and hope you don’t miss them.
if we go WR, I think we could look to trade up for Jenkins or Fiske, whichever falls furthest, if at all
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20 minutes ago, FireChans said:
Just like Devonta Smith was gonna snap in half
Just like Tank Dell was gonna snap in half…..while run blocking
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3 hours ago, mrags said:
I guess you read my post wrong. I was simply trying to explain that I don’t necessarily hate what happened as far as not taking a player. I like worthy, not as much as many here I’ll admit that. But I did like him. I was fine if they didn’t draft him and they have trades on other guys they like better.
And I generally do not care about giving another team the pick and taking the player they want anyway. Fact is, you’re correct, they likely would have gotten him anyway. I still don’t want to be the team to give it to them. Either way, still doesn’t bother me.
But it is noted the media brought up last night ok both NFLN and ESPN that it’s the Bills that gave up Mahomes, and laughed at us for how that has worked out. Here’s the thing, I generally don’t care about losing out on Mahomes. I’d honestly take Allen every time if I had the chance. I think Mahomes is a douche. But, it does kind of get old having to hear the same thing over and over again when someone brings it up. And we didn’t again. Granted it’s not one of the best QBs of all time we’re talking about so I guess there’s that.
even still, I don’t care about giving them a player and agree that we shouldn’t worry about other teams. I don’t. I’m just sick of hearing the same crap other and over. And if Worthy is the next Hill for KC, we will never hear the end of it.
someone here pointed out tho, that even though the Bills had no more first round grades on anyone and that’s why they’re back, it still could be that maybe Worthy or Legette or Pearsal (kind of a joke) were our next 3 WRs on board and now we don’t have an opportunity to pick one of them. In his presser last night Beane did say he expected to pick at 32 after the trade. So what changed? 3 guys at a position of need were now gone and we went with another trade back because of it. Which is fine imo. UNLESS….. you covet having the first round pick on someone for the 5th round option. And let’s be real about that here it isn’t huge advantage, especially on a position like WR, to get them for that extra year before they need to renegotiate a contract worth 20-30m.
But I really was trying to say that I don’t feel terrible about what happened, I have positives and negatives for what happened. I hope they use those picks and move around today like Kevin Costner in draft day. Making it all worth it.
Copy that. Thanks for clearing it up. Sorry about that my guy.
the last paragraph is where I differ, but you’re not the only one saying that. I just don’t care what people talk about and how things are seen. I only care about winning a SB and making trades that best benefit us. I don’t care about how the other teams are making out.
KC has their fair share of draft pick trade blunders. Just so happens that the 2 that are associated with us turned out to be great for KC. No one associates Skyy Moore with us, but I do. I thought he’d be a target for us 2 years ago and then they traded up ahead of us and snagged him. But he’s 💩
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40 minutes ago, Einstein said:
We didn’t really get an extra 3rd round pick.
We traded a 4th for a 3rd, so we essentially moved up half a round.
Thats a lot different than keeping our picks and gaining a 3rd.
I would have been fine trading with anyone else. I hate that they traded with KC.
Correct- I misspoke. Doesn’t change the fact that we know have a 3rd rd pick in a draft where there is good value in that range…..and not so much value with the 4th we traded
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Just now, LabattBlue said:
All the WR’s on the board have some warts to their game. To me the question becomes, which one(s) can step in and become a quality starter week 1?
To me the question becomes: which one will make a play when you need it in the playoffs.
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38 minutes ago, 518Buffalo said:
I find myself largely agreeing with Joe Marino here, Legette at 32 would have been nice but if you told me before the draft we could move down 5 spots and get back in the 3rd round (and upgrade a day 3 pick) I would have taken it. If we wake up tomorrow with DeJean, Franklin and somebody else I'll be thrilled. I can get excited for Mitchell but I don't understand the McConkey love - maybe someone who watches more college football than I do can explain the appeal behind a guy with his mediocre production and good but not elite tools
Borderline elite footwork and top notch feints is why I like him
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1 minute ago, Charles Romes said:
they also paid good value for Toney in trying to find a Tyreek substitute. Their track record of attempting to replace Hill is poor. That perhaps was part of Beane’s calculation.👍🏻 thanks. Forgot about that.
we may look back at this and cry. We may also look back and laugh. I won’t pretend to know either way….but I’m glad we didn’t let another team dictate what we did or didn’t do.
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Just now, Ramza86 said:
I think the Chiefs jumped Dallas because they were going to take Worthy. He would have been a good fit in Dallas. The problem is if you want the team that has eliminated you from the playoffs almost every year to get the guy THEY want.... getting a third and losing the 4th I would NOT consider that appropriate value. You need to stick it to KC if they want to get their guy.
You’re entitled to your opinion. I have a differing one. I don’t think Dallas would’ve taken worthy, but who knows. Maybe SF…. But I don’t think so. Doesn’t fit imo.
I don’t think we would’ve stuck it to KC. I think they would’ve gotten him at 32 and kept their 3rd. We’ll never know
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3 minutes ago, Beast said:
OK, then how do you feel about THREE wide receivers coming off the board from 28 to 32. Three wide receivers we had a chance to draft and didn’t.I guess whoever the Bills take is going to be better than those three guys because the Bills took him?
In Beane’s tenure with the Bills, he drafted Gabe Davis, Khalil Shakir and who else at wide receiver?
You’re saying teams should base their first rd pick on what another team deems as worthy. I can’t get on board with that. Do the work. Make your board and stick with it. If you can’t trust your FO to do that and instead follow another teams board, you should fire your FO.
KC thought Mecole hardman was worth a 1st. He wasn’t imo. They thought Skyy moore was worth a 2nd. He wasn’t (although I thought it was a great pick at the time). They thought CEH was worth a 1st. He wasn’t. Maybe we should’ve taken them too.
agree to disagree bro.
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11 minutes ago, Beast said:
I agree with a lot of this.I also agree that if a team like KC wants an offensive player at a position we need help at ourselves, maybe we should have taken that player in the first place? Andy Reid must like that kid and probably for a good reason.
I can’t get on board with that. We hired a staff of professionals who busted their butts all season scouting these guys. Then when it comes down to our pick, we should select a player that we deemed, pardon the pun, “not worthy” of the selection just because the champions deem him worthy of a trade up? 🤷🏻♂️ not a fan of that way of thinking personally but I can understand why others would.
Each team has different needs and fits for their scheme. KC has 2 guys that can play outside (maybe one, depending on rice). We don’t really have any that are ideal outside. I like a worthy in the slot, but not so much dealing with press. So I don’t see him as ideal for us (although I wouldn’t have been upset if he was our pick due to having an elite trait).
I’m glad we don’t have to worry about him getting smacked and broken in half. I’m also happy that the chiefs took Worthy over Mcconkey. I thought that was a match made in heaven -
I’d be very happy if we landed Dejean and Mitchell, Polk, mcconkey or Franklin.
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7 minutes ago, WEATHER DOT COM said:
The Bills did not net an additional pick.
Oops sorry.
We upgraded picks in a draft that might be the weakest day 3 in history while also adding a day 2 pick.
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2 hours ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:
I think they’re going Dejean, they just value versatility, defensive backs, and elite ceiling too much to pass here.
I think they trade back up from the bottom of the round and grab a WR, likely Franklin is their target in this scenario, imo.
Agreed
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Getting additional picks (including a day 2 pick) and being on the board with a handful of players I’d like the bills to draft is cool with me.
Am I happy with what he does on day 2? We’ll find out. But I’m good with what we did rd 1.
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6 minutes ago, DrPJax said:
Here is a simple minded question. If kc was going to get worthy regardless, why would they move up and be willing to give away draft capital just to move 4 spots when no matter what , as you so strongly say, there was no way anyone else might want him and it was inevitable he was going to kc ? Just to play mind games w mcd /beane again? Appears they were concerned another team might want him, or maybe we had some other offers? It’s a fair question, and just because someone has a diff opinion than your speculation, does not justify name calling like weak, simple minded, or just pathetic. Something made them move up right?. Not just for giggles. /
Isn’t it bad enough after each blown loss to the chefs, even a home playoff loss now as they got yet another Lombardi , that the press and fans always remind people how mahomes got to kc ? He will always be tied to mcd/ white and so far ALLEN’s Bills have 0 meaningful playoff wins over mahomes/ KC! ZERO. And , we are regressing in terms of playoff advancement.
Now, PERHAPS. we can also be reminded we helped them get a guy faster than hill ( who already helped defeat us once in the playoffs as mcd had no answers to control him under Reid in route to a prior SB) , while our own wr corp currently remains the subject of ridicule as we absorb 31 mil in dead cap from another great beane deal ( like Von and the dt from Carolina). Typical more Billsy lore ! But why not avoid the superior air snide comments, passive aggressive language , which is very unbecoming. It’s ok to have other viewpoints rather than only from those that are blessed with flawless , SPECULATIVE ( forgive me if this is Brandon) knowledge. Relax , no one on here is employed by the bills w exclusive insider knowledge or able to foresee the future. The chiefs traded up for a reason , so they didn’t know worthy was theirs one way or another. Another chiefs player now linked to “ using the Bills”. Wonder why some franchises still have ZERO Lombardi trophies after 55 years, and others jusr keep progressing and adapting. Some have vision and don’t draft/ play “ not to lose”. Just an opinion, not dogma!
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You’re right. I don’t know that KC would’ve gotten worthy one way or another. I misspoke and I shouldn’t have said that. Speculation. Just like the bolded conclusion to your essay. No?
I do believe that KC would’ve gotten worthy whether we had traded with them or not. I’m glad we got the 3rd.
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2 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said:
The chiefs did it to us when we needed a db and took mcduffie out from under us. Forcing us to trade up for Elam. What do they know as back to back champs.
Have a good night. You have no clue. You just think you do.
the chiefs may very well win more super bowls…. But it won’t be solely because of this trade. It will be because they have Mahomes, Kelce, jones, Reid and Spags
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2 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said:
What are you talking about? We literally went through this when the bills wanted mcduffie and ended up with Elam a few years back. That move cost us and this one will too. Bills are playing checkers, while the chiefs play chess.
lol….,please explain how this is even remotely the same thing other than in your scared head? This is gonna get good. Can’t wait to wake up and see the amazing content you’re about to post while on an emo rant.
Go on! Please explain how we went through the same thing with McDuffie? Did we bypass McDuffie? Did we trade back with KC and enable them to draft McDuffie? Was worthy the guy we really wanted but KC bamboozled us into thinking he wasn’t actually the guy we wanted?
make it make sense. Like real sense…. Not in your head sense….becasue are two completely different things
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Just now, Awwufelloff said:
Worthy would have been a great add with Allen, do you disagree?
I know that Beane doesn’t agree.
Beane > you. Facts.
as a GM, you don’t make selections just so your “arch rival” doesn’t get said player. You just don’t. Disagreeing just makes you wrong. Facts
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1 minute ago, Awwufelloff said:
You can play offense by having a good defense. You take away a puzzle piece that the chiefs have missed for the last 2 yrs with Hill and gave it right back. However close we were to beating them before is long gone now.
You don’t know this at all. The other teams might not have traded with them, or instead took worthy before them. This isn’t known.
The end result is KC dominating us for another 5 years until Allen ups and leaves after next contract.
As I said. Simple minded way of thinking. This is just ridiculous. We should taken Worthy….. just so KC doesn’t get them….
LOL. Listen to yourself. Weak
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2 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said:
There is no reasonable. You simply don’t let your arch rival trade up and get the player they want. It’s an inexcusable move imo.
I could care less about value or the possibility of them trading up with another team, you simply never make a move like this for fear it can come back to bite you as it did with Mahomes.
Stop trying to justify any of it, there really is no debating how stupid this was.
This is a very simple minded and weak way of thinking. Playing scared.
they would’ve gotten worthy one way or another….unless you think we should’ve taken Worthy just to keep them from KC. And that’s just pathetic.
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Trying to be reasonable here
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I hear ya. Hard to see the plan when we haven’t made any selections, but it looks like they identified this WR class as deep……. Or they don’t think they need a WR1