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This thread off to the same start as every other thread- sadness brigade
4 hours ago, GoBills808 said:don't be so dramatic lol
OP is a video of Marino talking about how to beat the Chiefs in the playoffs....a different HC would almost certainly have done it in 2021. it’s nothing to get upset over
McDermott sucks- we get it. Maybe you should start a mcdermott sucks thread and keep all the same regurgitated material there so we don’t have to read it in every other thread.
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6 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:
I agree with the first part and not the second. This discussion is way premature. Injuries, cap, production, other positions of need, talent in the draft etc… will all play into the decision 2 years from now.
However all the arguments against Cook so far aren’t supported by facts.
The only real argument against Cook, assuming he stays at or near this level of production, is that RBs have a short shelf life. That said, RBs that are as good as Cook catching out of the backfield tend to last longer.
As to the second part, Davis and Cook are the same age. Davis also took significantly more pounding in college as he was the featured back most of his college career. Cook played in a 3 back platoon at GA, was only the featured back one season. In fact, Davis had 746 carries in college while Cook has had only 556 between college and the pros (230 at UGA & 326 in Buffalo). If anyone has more tread left, it’s Cook.
Part 1- that’s not the only argument. Price tag is the argument. The only argument.
Part 2- tread has nothing to do with it- years left on the rookie contract is the only factor-
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I get you’re probably a UGA fan and are hoping to keep him. I love James Cook and think he could be special - I just don’t think paying a hefty RB contract is part of Beanes plan. If he’ll settle for 6-7M- maybe. We’ll see where the RB market is in two years .
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6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:
He's in last year of contract. No one is going to trade for him--he is entering his 14th season and he missed a lot of games injured and got 16 million. He is at the very top of his market.
Hence why trade deadline makes sense if he’s playing well Obv if he’s hurt or not playing well, no one will trade for him but if he is a difference maker, you pay half the salary and give up a late round.
He was coming off back to back 10+ sack seasons before he got hurt (and came back) last season. It’s definitely a risk considering his age but a good Cam Hayward could be a difference maker for a team lacking pass rush. Something that we might be lacking.
I obviously think very highly of Hayward. Maybe higher than most.
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22 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:
What's a 35 yo Heyward's market?
Yeah he’s an interesting one. Other than missing a good portion of last season, he’s beepretty durable in recent seasons and is a game wrecker when he’s playing well. Does he still have the ability to wreck games or is age taking over?
how much money does he want and what will it take for Pittsburgh to deal him. The only way I could see it happening is in a trade deadline deal that involved a late round pick without hopes of resigning him long term. That said, I would think there would be at least one other team that has bigger plans for him.
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2 minutes ago, FireChans said:
Sure but they would probably trade us JJ and Addison for MVS, Claypool, Shakir, Kincaid and Samuel. 5 good targets are better than 2 great ones, or so I’ve been told.
No you haven’t - please show me the quote
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I’d be shocked if we paid him. Easy answer for me.
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32 minutes ago, mrags said:
Perfect. How did it turn out for them in the playoffs? Pretty sure they still don’t have rings on their fingers.
Partly thanks to our elite star WR1 failing to do what he was paid 22M to do. Catch the dam ball. Partly due to not being able to stop KCs offense with a depleted defense.
If we added a legit WR1 and he were injured and didn’t play in the playoffs would it still be Beanes fault for not adding more WRs?
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12 hours ago, Billl said:
Sure, but there were approximately 0 people fitting him for a green jacket after his first actual season despite 862 yards and 5 TDs. If Kincaid hits those numbers next season, and he might, that’s a fantastic second year. Those still aren’t on par with #1 target numbers, though. Short of being Gronk, you’d be hard pressed to find a TE who put up monster numbers their second year. That’s not a swipe in any way at Kincaid. It’s simply the reality of the position.
Those are similar numbers to Kelce last season….where he was your WR1 and you won a Super Bowl.
12 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:I would add any of Metcalf/Aiyuk/Sutton/D Adams/DHop.. No to BTJ.
The addition of one of those takes the CB1 and safety and changes the way defenses will play us. This helps the rest of the offense which I think is pretty solid. The addition also moves down Hollins/MVS/Claypool.
Those first 2 guys would be mortgaging our future in a big way. If you don’t see that, I can’t help you.
the other guys I would’ve been ok with…..but you’re acting like they were available. Rumors are rumors. None of them switched teams. They are all where they started the offseason
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19 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:
I don't know that it is a common idea among those disappointed with the WR room that Josh is not being helped. One has to hope that Knox plays up to his ceiling. Last year, for a variety of reasons, was not his best. Kincaid is a rising star. I like the RB room. So, great. I actually think there appears to be depth and promise on the Oline. If that turns into a dominant unit, that will exponentially help Josh Allen.
I think one can criticize the WR room and still like the rest of the offense, and hope that Brady will come up with a strategy that can be unpredictable for defenses and put up a lot of points. It would help if some of those scratch offs at the bottom of the WR room turn out capable of explosive plays downfield.
Yeah, I agree. I’m one of them. I like our O and I’ve criticized the WR room, it’s just that I realize that the options to seriously upgrade our WR unit after the Diggs trade were far a few in between. Either give up massive draft loads to move up for a top 10 guy or pay massive money + draft picks to land a vet. Both require going close to all in which would’ve had negative implications at multiple positions.
We weren’t going all in. Options were limited. I think we’re much better equipped for building a long term powerhouse at the price of our 2024 WR room. Sometimes GM have to make those decisions. Recent history shows it’s a viable strategy
17 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:I think adding a top tier WR changes the whole evaluation of the off-season offensive moves for the better. It takes the offensive talent to a different level.
I believe the moves made allow for a WR and it would not be all in. They have the room for this WR for several years. There is an incredibly young core of offensive playmakers.
Let’s not forget that cap management is part of Beane's job. If he really opts to do this radical of a rebuild in Josh's prime, he should face the music.
KC fans were saying the same thing about Veach when they traded Hill.
which top tier WR would you have added that wouldn’t have radically changed our cap/draft picks?
If Brian Thomas Jr is the answer, I get it. He’s the only guy that slid to a spot where we wouldn’t have had to give up the farm…. But I’m not so sure he’s a WR1 either. Sure he gives us a better deep threat, but I don’t think he’s that type of difference maker for 2024.
who else could we have gotten that would’ve moved that needle?
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36 minutes ago, FireChans said:
We can win a Super Bowl if Josh Allen gets hurt week 11 and another failed QB plays great like Nick Foles did 2017.
That doesn’t make it a good plan. It doesn’t make it likely.
And adding a star WR (at the expense of other positions) makes it that much more likely?
Seems to me like the uproar began when we didn’t draft a WR in rd 2,3, or 4. I was hoping for one too….but I don’t think drafting a WR in any of those rounds would’ve moved the “likely to win a Super Bowl” meter very much.
Trading for Aiyuk or another big money WR would equate to going all in. That’s not going to happen. Salary cap squashed those hopes imo.
Imo, this is a debate is more about Beanes preference to keep the cap in a manageable position as opposed to going all in. I don’t think this season, considering our current pass rush, would’ve been the right time for that. If von miller comes out of the gate firing, I could see Beane making a move mid season if one is available
5 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:Maybe, but wasn't Kelce 24 years old during his rookie season? Naturally, that kind of ascendance is exceedingly rare, but there's plenty of runway for a HOF career.
Funny that a KC fan would bring up kincaids age considering Kelces resume prior to turning 25
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3 hours ago, FireChans said:
We can talk about everything, that’s the beauty of the off-season!
the Chiefs receiving group as a whole last year was kinda stinky. They led the league in drops. They contributed to one the worst statistical season of Mahomes’ career. This was because the Chiefs had whiffed on Toney, Moore, etc. Their only saving grace at WR was Rashee Rice. But Kelce was still great enough, particularly in the postseason and their defense was great, particularly in the postseason, and they had enough to win the title.
I disagree with Brandon Beane’s investment of the WR position for a multitude of reasons. I don’t think his strategy is the way for the Bills to win a Super Bowl. I also think that copying the 2023 Chiefs model with an inferior version of good TE and crummy WR’s is not the way to win the Super Bowl. Having Kincaid try to be a worse version of the arguable greatest TE of all time does not work when you ignore the elite playoff defense the Chiefs proved to have last year and the Bills haven’t proved to have, well, ever.
So yeah. Trying to be the 2023 Chiefs with less HoF players and a worse defense and a worse coaching staff and a worse QB sounds like WC champs again. Sue me.
It’s not McBeane. It’s Beane. He doesn’t value WR’s. He values DL much much much higher. He wants his physical specimen QB to carry garbage WR’s to the promised land. It’s the Carolina way.
We can win a Super Bowl without a great WR unit. That’s all that really matters. If we had poor WRs and a mix of sub par to average TE, RB and OL units, I would think we’d have a discussion for doing things wrong. Instead, we have above average to good, maybe very good units along with an elite QB.
So many saying that we’re not helping 17 by not investing more into WR. I agree that I’d have liked to invest more in WR, but I don’t agree that we aren’t helping him. I think our run game will be improved and that will open up play action and Josh’s ability to move around and create time out of the pocket. I think Josh has the ability to transform Coleman, Samuel, Shakir, Kincaid, knox, Cook, Hollins and MVS from unproven unit to a quality unit. Kincaid, Coleman and Samuel are top 40 picks. They’re talented- Coleman and Samuel haven’t had the benefit of playing with 17 yet. 17 can help level them up as he will continue to do with Shakir. Hollins has never played with a good QB. MVS has won back to back being WR3-4.I get it. You guys want better WRs. So do I. Let’s just not act like we’re ruining 17’s career by not having an elite WR. We had one and he was a no show more often than not on the biggest stage
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5 out of the last 7 Super Bowl champions didn’t have a 1000 yard WR.
Also 9 out of the last 16.
Get yourself a stud TE to pair with your elite QB and everything gets easier. I think we have ourselves a stud TE. Things are going to get easier.
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5 minutes ago, FireChans said:
They had Kelce lol.
And their receiver group still kinda sucked.
Luckily, they had an elite defense that showed up in the regular season and the postseason.
Good thing the Bills highly paid defenders have a history of carrying this team to victory in the postseason. Lmao.
If you want, I can go point by point why the 2024 Bills are not the 2023 Chiefs, but you’ll just cry about how it’s not fair that the 3x SB championship team is better than the 3x reigning divisional round participant Bills.
Sorry- didn’t know we were talking about TE’s. TE’s don’t seem to carry much weight around here when it comes to these conversations- considering that we have two very good TEs…..yet WR is the only thing we hear about from the whiners.
How about those KC whiners last year? They were fighting the same fight. They had zero proven WRs- which is the fight ya’ll are fighting as if it’s the gospel
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29 minutes ago, FireChans said:
Who?
And it doesn’t even matter. This is all nonsense. One person picks a random stat and now all of his followers act as if this means anything.
Answer me this: this time last offseason, say chiefs fans are discussing the same exact thing- many WRs on KCs roster had finished top 32? DOOOOOOOM!!
1 minute ago, FireChans said:You’re missing a step.
6. Josh Allen plays at or near the best level of his career in the postseason while the rest of his teammates no show, and we wonder why we can’t beat the Chiefs when we have Trent Sherfield alligator-arming passes.
As we watched Josh make 2 bone headed plays to end our season.
As we watched our “elite” WR that everyone now clamors for, no show for 4 straight years in season ending losses.
As we watched the chiefs win back to back super bowls with WR2/3’s masquerading as WR1’s
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12 minutes ago, FireChans said:
Do they have a guy on the roster who has ever been 32nd or better in receiving yards ever in their career?
Yes we do. So what does that mean exactly? Nothing. Just like it would’ve meant nothing if we didn’t
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Grandparents lived a couple blocks from Fredonia training camp. Went to practice just about everyday in the 80’s. It was there that the Bills became part of me
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1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
Really wild how he won the Gold medal. Got a 2 point grab to secure the win literally at the last second.
Legendary type stuff
Not sure why anyone would frown on this move. If he sucks, he’ll be cut. If he shows promise, he might make the ps. Kicking the tires on elite athletes makes a lot of sense.
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7 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
No disrespect at all bud…but…Hard disagree on this. We are not talking about 11 players deep on the bench, we are talking about 11 starting players. You can't say that the best player is magnitudes more important than the worst player, that makes no sense. For example, if the best player is the Center and the worst player is the QB, that Center is not magnitudes more important than the fact the QB isn't good, it will make almost no difference.
And in 2020...and 2023...the number 1 player on the offense was the same. Josh Allen, and it’s not close. When your number 1 player on the team is the QB, it makes everyone else better. And while 2020 Josh was seen as a better version than 2023 Josh (mainly over the turnovers) its not like Josh was a disaster last year, he was still the only person not named Lamar to get an MVP vote.
Once again...1 individual person (in this case 2020 Diggs) does not equal a whole offense either. How many times did Calvin Johnson sit home and watch the playoffs from his couch? Almost every year of his career despite having a top 10 QB. How many SB rings does Megatron, Moss, Julio, Fitzgerals, and Hopkins have combined? Zero...despite being the best player on their teams most of their careers.
This notion that one offense is better because it had the alleged "best single player" on it does not at all equate to best overall roster.
And as far as last year goes...it was still Diggs as the best player not named Allen…just because his usage changed does not mean his skills went away.
Under Dorsey Diggs was on pace for 1,475 yards and 12 TDS which would have been his 2nd highest career total in yards and career best in TD's. Brady completely changed the philosophy of the offense and Diggs usage changed with it. So this idea that Diggs was some shell of himself like people like to say is just not accurate and Diggs was still the best player not named Allen on the offense.
Ive already shown this to be false. The top end talent of 2020 wasn't even much different. Allen was still an MVP finalist, Diggs was still on pace in his feed him the ball role under Dorsey. Then you have better and more efficient targets for Allen in Kincaid and Shakir, you have the best RB of Allens career behind the best OL of his career to go along with the best TE group of his career.
I will take the 2023 roster over the 2020 roster personally, and its an easy choice for me. That roster got wasted by Dorsey to start the season, I thought he had a bad 2022 and hated him coming back but also hoped he would be better...he wasn't. Brady saved the season but was still handcuffed to Dorseys offense and did a stellar job despite that.
I can only wonder what could have been last year had Dorsey been fired after 2022 and Brady installed in the offseason.
My take is that the offensive roster was about a push from 20 to 23. Beasley and Diggs were all pro in 20. Brown was a better x than Gabe (minus blocking). TEs and RBs goes to 23 while I think the OL was a push. I thought the 2020 line was better the majority of the season but they were poor vs KC. Close call.
Defensively, the 2023 roster was better 💯 until injury evened things out. Poyer and Hyde both notably worse in 23 but the DL was much better. CB also better in 23.
Talent wise, last year was our best team imo. Too bad they didn’t pull the trigger on Dorsey after his rookie season didn’t show much promise (to me anyway). Not sold on Brady yet, but I think he could get the job done.
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10 hours ago, HappyDays said:
But offenses aren't measured player for player. The #1 player on the offense is magnitudes more important than the #11 player. The #1 non-Josh Allen player in 2020 was Diggs, full stop. He was an elite true #1 WR, inarguably top 5 in the league. The #1 player the last half of last year was... I really am not 100% sure? I guess it was Shakir? That's a loooooooong drop off from a guy that was a top 5 player at his position.
This is the old debate about top end talent versus depth. You could argue the depth of the 2023 offense was better than the depth of the 2020 offense. For the record I don't think even that is clearly true but sure you could argue it. It is undeniable however that the top end talent of 2020 was drastically better than the top end talent of 2023. Which means the offensive talent as a whole was better no matter how you want to stack the depth players.
I think Allen has just become a good bit better since 2020. He was flat out a better QB in his next two playoff games against the Chiefs. That AFCCG offensive performance was absolutely not a matter of offensive skill talent. It was a combination of Allen being a bit unwilling to take underneath throws and our top three WRs entering the game injured.
And terrible offensive line play. The OL played very well the majority of the season, but they got whipped in the AFCCG.
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2 hours ago, ndirish1978 said:
This is the guy everyone wanted?
🤣 this is amazing
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22 minutes ago, Milanos Milano said:
That would explain why #14 was MIA last year, Steve Diggs didn’t play well.
HE’S BAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!!!!!
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4 hours ago, SaulGoodman said:
It’s not that hard to add a few lbs with NFL training and resources.
Even if he doesn’t, Desean Jackson was a twig. Would you have passed on him too?
Like John Ross? Phillip Dorsett? Roscoe Parrish? Will fuller? Andy isabella? Mecole hardman? Tavon austin? Sinorice Moss?
there a more WAY more skinny’s that weren’t able to excel than were able to. No, I wouldn’t pass on Jackson, but I’d pass on most others.
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Sucks he got hurt. The return we were getting on our investment was of equal value imo. It came with risk and backfired. The fact that he took a pay cut lessens the blow.
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I think he can be a key player for us when either Benford or Douglas inevitably gets hurt.
I wasn’t a fan of his interview today though.
Joe Marino talks what the Bills have to do to beat KC in playoffs
in The Stadium Wall
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Execute better. Game plan better. Stay healthier.
Partially on coaching. Partially on players. Partially on injuries.
We’re close. Just have to be better when it counts. Including 17. He’s been great in one season ending loss (13 seconds). He was pretty good last year. Poor vs Cinci. Below average vs KC in the AFCCG. We need better from more than just coaching