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Fair enough, with the injury thing. It should be healed up by now, I expect him to be back at top form. If Dareus beats him, all the credit to him. I still don't know about the offense - last year we put up a stinker after the bye - but that was against the Packers. Why would it be a poor decision to use the best center in the league on your best d-lineman? I doubt we would double him. The Bills still will have to score a lot - I think they score in the 14-24 range; nothing more nothing less. It's a divisional rivalry game, so you never know, but I'm still going with 24-21 Jets. In my gut, I think the Jets can do it.

Oh lord. The people in this thread who actually believe he's a Jets fan...

Ya, there are NO other factors. Just the center's play, obviously. They were underdogs in every other playoff game too. How'd that work out?

We ain't judging by pay. We're judging by talent. And Mangold is just better at this stage in time.

Good. I like the Jets better as underdogs better anyway. They come out with more fire.

He probably holds from other fans' POV. Take off dem blinders for a bit - Mangold holds and Wood doesn't? I'm pretty sure 98% of the league would not trade Mangold for Wood.

Probably the Jets' big name factored in as well. People are more likely to bet on them than the Bills.

Mangold has been injured in all but 2 games this year. Offensive stats don't necessarily reflect 1/5 positions on the o-line. Sorry to disappoint you. Possibly we will see a jump in INTs. The Bills have been ballhawks. You might as well though - Jets have been generally good on defense with turnovers. The 17 sacks are due to the incohesion of the O-line. I'm counting on them all back together to improve and get better. The 56% completion percentage is skewed by the Ravens game where Sanchez never had more than 2.5 seconds to throw, though it still counts.

I never said we would dominate your offense. I said in general, the Jets defense matches up well with the Bills, while you guys were telling me how great the Bills offense was and would dominate. You're actually favorites according to Vegas. I'd still say it's a close game, and Jets win by a field goal.

I never said that actually. I said it would be a close game. Mangold has been injured for all but 2 games - in the 2 games where he was healthy, they were pretty much the Jets' best offensive outputs. And center isn't the only offensive line position, so you can't just compare offensive stats to copmare the centers. http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/06/14/2010-pass-blocking-efficiency-guards-and-centers/ Top 10 in pass blocking for centers: Mangold. Bottom 10: Pouncey. There's no complete stats for this year yet, if you're going to tell me it's not 2010

I would say: Bills win at: QB, RB, Safeties, OLB (Thomas out for the year, I'll give you this) Jets win at: WR, TE, O-Line, ILB D-line is pretty much a push. Special teams as a whole are a push as well (returning, coverage, kicker/punter)

Yes, but what have I said that is exactly annoying? Read it and weep. http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/07/17/making-the-grade-centers-2008-2010/

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/07/17/making-the-grade-centers-2008-2010/

Where have I been annoying?

Where have I been irritating or disrespectful?

Even if he has, it's too small a sample to declare him better than Mangold already. Give it a season before you declare him the best in the league.

To be honest with you, FMPOV they lost 2 of their best players, if not their best, and were kidna lost without them. Bills would've blown them out anyhow, but those getting injured just added injury to insult.

I'm sorry, but the bolded statement is !@#$ing delusional. Revis has a 2.9 rating against him this year. That's so "good"! Wilson isn't a rook, he's a 2nd year player who's doing an amazing job this year. I'm not even going to bother arguing Sanchez anymore, because no one pays attention to my points. You're a little too biased for me to argue with, don't act like the Bills are the greatest at every position ever, and I would refute your points. If that's not what you meant to do, that's how it came off. Yep, the best center in the league for the last couple seasons definitely can't handle this unblockable rookie!

Yep

Don't use the Ravens game as a benchmark. Mangold >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Baxter. If the Jets play to their strengths they can win as well. Lastly, the Jets defense has been giving up 1 big play on the ground per game for some reason. It's a lot of ifs for a guaranteed Bills win. I doubt it happens as you say it will.

A win is a win and a loss is a loss, no matter how it happened. It doesn't go in the standings as a "lucky 3 point win." Let's not argue over pointless stuff like that

Bills are 19th in the league in rush yards against. Not exactly a powerhouse. Mangold holds ocassionaly, but I think every O-lineman does, so it's not like you can use it against him. So Jets have no chance according to you? I'd say the Jets have more talent and equal coaching - if both teams bring their A game the Jets probably come out on top. There's a lot of IFs there. Also, the Jets have made plently of comebacks in the 2nd half (see: San Diego 2 weeks ago, many games last year). Point being, you're writing off the Jets a lot which is surprising.

Bills had a gift win from the Pats too, Brady gave it away. Well the experiment failed, IMO, because of the personnel change with the short offseason; Sanchez needed time to adjust, and the coaching staff didn't realize that. Even without that he's been playing well in general (the Ravens game was an anamoly, tbh). Don't believe everything the media tells you.

Well, this year the players do need it more (with more injuries than years past), though I do admit I was wrong about it. We'll see if it works this time. A 2 game sample isn't necessarily what yo uwant to use as a future indicator. The Jets O-line is probably one of the best in the league with Mangold back - they played like it against the Bolts. I think the Jets win that battle. Your O-line is slightly better than our D-line though. Ours is pretty young, and mostly rotational players (the rooks Ellis and Wilkerson are looking good though)

Thanks. Better than studying for midterms all the time right now. It doesn't matter what the receiver does. Revis shut down Stevie last year, and I don't think Fitz will feel the need to throw his way (hopefully he does). Revis excels at covering almost everything. They'll give up 1 big play to Jackson most likely. I don't think your D will generate a pass rush. They're averaging 2 sacks/game this year, and without the amazing Skins game (which I do give you credit for) it's a 1/2 sack per game. That's just not good enough against the finally healthy Jets O-line, which can be amazing when it needs to. The Jets stand to win this game going away as well, if the offense clicks and the defense shuts down the Bills O as I expect.