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Fair enough, with the injury thing. It should be healed up by now, I expect him to be back at top form. If Dareus beats him, all the credit to him. I still don't know about the offense - last year we put up a stinker after the bye - but that was against the Packers. Why would it be a poor decision to use the best center in the league on your best d-lineman? I doubt we would double him. The Bills still will have to score a lot - I think they score in the 14-24 range; nothing more nothing less. It's a divisional rivalry game, so you never know, but I'm still going with 24-21 Jets. In my gut, I think the Jets can do it.

Oh lord. The people in this thread who actually believe he's a Jets fan...

Ya, there are NO other factors. Just the center's play, obviously. They were underdogs in every other playoff game too. How'd that work out?

We ain't judging by pay. We're judging by talent. And Mangold is just better at this stage in time.

Good. I like the Jets better as underdogs better anyway. They come out with more fire.

He probably holds from other fans' POV. Take off dem blinders for a bit - Mangold holds and Wood doesn't? I'm pretty sure 98% of the league would not trade Mangold for Wood.

Probably the Jets' big name factored in as well. People are more likely to bet on them than the Bills.

Mangold has been injured in all but 2 games this year. Offensive stats don't necessarily reflect 1/5 positions on the o-line. Sorry to disappoint you. Possibly we will see a jump in INTs. The Bills have been ballhawks. You might as well though - Jets have been generally good on defense with turnovers. The 17 sacks are due to the incohesion of the O-line. I'm counting on them all back together to improve and get better. The 56% completion percentage is skewed by the Ravens game where Sanchez never had more than 2.5 seconds to throw, though it still counts.

I never said we would dominate your offense. I said in general, the Jets defense matches up well with the Bills, while you guys were telling me how great the Bills offense was and would dominate. You're actually favorites according to Vegas. I'd still say it's a close game, and Jets win by a field goal.

I never said that actually. I said it would be a close game. Mangold has been injured for all but 2 games - in the 2 games where he was healthy, they were pretty much the Jets' best offensive outputs. And center isn't the only offensive line position, so you can't just compare offensive stats to copmare the centers. http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/06/14/2010-pass-blocking-efficiency-guards-and-centers/ Top 10 in pass blocking for centers: Mangold. Bottom 10: Pouncey. There's no complete stats for this year yet, if you're going to tell me it's not 2010

I would say: Bills win at: QB, RB, Safeties, OLB (Thomas out for the year, I'll give you this) Jets win at: WR, TE, O-Line, ILB D-line is pretty much a push. Special teams as a whole are a push as well (returning, coverage, kicker/punter)

Yes, but what have I said that is exactly annoying? Read it and weep. http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/07/17/making-the-grade-centers-2008-2010/

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/07/17/making-the-grade-centers-2008-2010/

Where have I been annoying?

Where have I been irritating or disrespectful?