[DORSEY FIRED, Joe Brady Interim OC]

Just now, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

It's never his fault. At least that's what he and his apologists will tell you. 

 

It's all on his coordinators that keep letting him down. The ones he hired, mind you. 

 

He doesn't run the offense, defense, or special teams or have any input on any of them. He's a project manager. Completely infallible and no accountability should be placed on him for anything. 

Firing your hand picked OC is essentially taking ownership of a mistake. Whose job is it to evaluate the talent of your assistant coaches and coordinators? The head coach 

[DORSEY FIRED, Joe Brady Interim OC]

2 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

Except that he is the HC a responsible for all of it.  

His responsibility this season is to own the defense, and give Dorsey general principles of what the offense should be. 
 

Clearly, Dorsey hasn’t delivered on thag inspite of all the excellent metrics 

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Just now, stuvian said:

Not sure this is the change we need. What about our non-existent pass rush and 12 men on the field ST debacle on national TV?

the pass rush has been ok actually. Teams are struggling to consistently pressure. Just look at how teams struggle to pressure Allen and we have literally don’t have a single 1st round pick on the OLine. It’s not McDermotts fault that injuries have hugely debilitated his two most talented pass rushers in Groot and Von Miller 

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1 minute ago, Yobogoya! said:

 

He's like a guy who plans out every detail of the family vacation but blames everyone else when it doesn't work out like he planned. 

 

He's the Clark W. Griswold of head coaches. 😂

You guys act like the bills haven’t been wildly successful under McDermott 

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You don’t change someone like McDermott unless he loses the locker room. 
 

all this “he leans too much on the offense stuff” is just projection.  All HCs set general guidelines for what the offense should look like season to season. That’s something McDermott should and will continue to lean into, agains he’s a Head Coach. He owns the complementary part of the game. 
 

Dorsey was clearly not giving McDermott the offense he wanted. 

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1 minute ago, From Roc to Ky bills fan said:

It's sad... The horrible play calling could have cost us a Superbowl window with Josh. I'm sick over it 

Josh is gonna be here another 8-10 years 

[DORSEY FIRED, Joe Brady Interim OC]

2 minutes ago, davefan66 said:

This firing was not just McD’s doing.  If he even had any choice in the matter.

 

It was probably at the insistence of Beane.  He has given McD a team that should be much better than their record, he ain’t going anywhere.

Thats not how this works 

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https://x.com/minakimes/status/1724466437190975685?s=46&t=b_6DEUCIOVykcHVZYqq8jg
 

My general thought is that while Allen is good for a bad turnover a game, he’s also been saving Dorsey’s ass for most of the season 

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May as well post here what I said on Twitter 

 

https://x.com/appoo_pratt/status/1724466387924738406?s=46&t=b_6DEUCIOVykcHVZYqq8jg

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Just now, Low Positive said:

This probably came from ownership.

No this is McDermott. Also not the first time he’s done this 

[DORSEY FIRED, Joe Brady Interim OC]

1 minute ago, Bobby Hooks said:

Will Mcdermott give the coordinator carte Blanche though? 

No NFL coach does this

[Week 9 thread - We’re on to Cincinnati]

3 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Oh it counts but nothing counts more than playoff wins, super bowl appearances, and Lombardi Trophies. In case you've been living underground McD has pretty sucked in the above. A whooping 44% win percentage in the playoffs, one AFC championship game which he lost, and ZERO super bowl appearances. 

 

I'm tired of the "reductive trope" of fans accepting good to great regular season victories with very little afterwards. 

It’s not Sean McDermott’s fault you don’t understand how hard the NFL playoffs and winning a SB is.  
 

You’re essentially putting personal blame on McDermott for Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid existing, and for the massive amount of injuries last season. 
 

Those are essentially the only reason the bills don’t currently have 3 straight SB trips 

The bills may not make a Super Bowl in the Allen or McDermott/Beane era. They're still doing an amazing job of having sustainable success while putting out an incredible product on the field. I for one am grateful, having been a of the team since Jim Kelly’s first year when I was in grade school. It’s easily the 2nd best stretch of football in my life as a Bills fan, and better than most franchises have had. 

[Week 9 thread - We’re on to Cincinnati]

3 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

And why can't they be?  This is the argument I always have.  We have a supposed defensive guru as HC and DC, yet whenever the Bills play a good team fans then are happy to give up on the D or make excuses for them.

 

And of course I'm the bad guy here when I say anything saying McD should have them ready.

Think McDermott is a great coach but this sport comes down to matchups, ultimately, and the Bills have a terrible matchup with the Bengals O. Bills D is built to pressure and play zone combos behind a 4-5 man rush. Burrow only really struggles against Intense pressure + man coverage. He gets the ball out super quick.

 

However he’s basically a better version of Tua, and McDermott had a fantastic game against the Dolphins, so maybe he can come up with a way to contain Cinncy just enough for his offense to take the game.

 

But bottom line is that he can call a great game, his defense can execute, and that offense can still get a bunch of points just based on talent matchups 

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3 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Since when has a McD defense come through in a big game? 

 

Lately, the coach has had the team less ready then ready.

 

I don't see you as the bad guy. 

 

Lastly, I think the Bengals are a very tough match up for the Bills. Burrow shredded the Bills zone defense last year. They have an excellent WR core. The Bills pass rush is often negated by Burrow's quick passing. 

 

Lou A blew up the Bills pass protection last year. He called several blitzes that the Bills couldn't stop. This looks to be a long day for Spencer Brown. 

 

The home crowd will make things difficult for the Bills. Will the Bills suffer any kind of PTSD going back to Cinci? 

 

A lot has to go right for the Bills to win. It's possible but the path seems pretty narrow. 

Bills are close to leading the league in wins, lead the league in Point Differential, and have at least one playoff win in every season since 2020. 
 

Tired of this reductive trope .weve had great teams under MvDermott, and has won a bunch of “big” games. You don’t get to pick and choose crap just to tailor it to your agenda 

I mean it’s absurd the Bills have walloped the Chiefs for last 2 years IN Arrowhead and both games the Bills D has come up big. But that doesn’t count as a big simply because the Bills played well?

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I haven't felt good about the Bills playing the Bengals for about 2 years now. Burrow is a zone killer. But this year's Bills D has been an ever changing defense in terms of what they do schematically. Still, they're undermanned.  Need to have a good Von Miller out there, along with their other DEs and Oliver bringing it. 

 

Offensively, I have no idea what to predict from the Buffalo offense. The opposition doesn't seem to have any correlation to how good the Bills O is week to week

[Rasul Douglas to Bills - per Rap]

2 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

After reading his bio from the Bills I'm an even bigger fan

 

Benford and Jackson have been doing pretty well and we have our safeties. Douglas will be a nice player for the defense and didn't cost a ton.

 

I'm shocked Elam is still here, so MAYBE he flashes when given a chance (if that ever occurs) and suddenly we have a room full of solid CBs.

 

 

 

 

He's cheap depth that's worth more than the 6th rounder they'd get for him (he's got 3M & 4M in guarenteed money next two years, respectively, which lowers his trade value some)

[Rasul Douglas to Bills - per Rap]

4 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

There were two prices in that trade to happen.  Bears and the players.  Bears wanted a lot and Johnson wanted to get paid with an extension.

Bears likely wanted a 1st (considering where the Bills first rounder was going to be), which I think Beane would have been fine paying, but unlikely he was gonna give Jalon Johnson Denzel Ward Money (~20M AAV), for someone who's been mostly good to ok for his first 3 years, and closer to elite for 7-8 games this year

[Rasul Douglas to Bills - per Rap]

8 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

And we are getting a 3rd round pick for Edmunds leaving.  So it's a player and a 5th round pick for a late-ish 3rd rounder and will have another 3rd round pick that they have available equating to a 4th after the trade.

 

What's the issue?

Not neccearily an issue, but worth noting. 

[Rasul Douglas to Bills - per Rap]

But let's not downplay the 3rd round pick. 

 

In my view, 3rd and 4th rounders are hugely important, moreso for Cap control than added value onto the field. The Bills have at least 2 starters from the 3rd round this year. Bernard and Spencer Brown. Bernard has been well above expected, but just pretend he was a replacement level player for his position just as Spencer Brown is. Meaning straight average. Good enough to start.  Their REAL value is that those two dides have a combine 2M in cap hit, and the Bills don't have to spend 15M in veteran money for those two spots. 

 

So if the Bills got another replacement level start from a 3rd round pick in 24, that's a 6M cap hit the Bills are eating for Douglas. So that's the value trade Beane had to make. 

 

Not easy, but hopefully worth it. 

[Rasul Douglas to Bills - per Rap]

One of my best friend's is a bigtime Pack fan, here's how it went:

 

 

[Rasul Douglas to Bills - per Rap]

2 minutes ago, Draconator said:

 

Just curious. What are you drinking? Can I have some?

First of all, this stuff if awesome:

 

Market Spice Orange Cinnamon Tea (Straight from Pike's Place Market in Seattle)

 

second of all, I was being a sarcastic brat. 

[Rasul Douglas to Bills - per Rap]

1 minute ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

If they do then they are fools. Dodson is terrible. They should let Williams get the reps and let him get better as the season progresses

I think they understand what they have in Dodson, or rather don't have. 

 

No one 1BD thinks they have a great defense. Douglas helps shore that up. 

[Rasul Douglas to Bills - per Rap]

1 minute ago, billsfan714 said:

Beane loves to piss away those mid rounders.   A 3rd for a cb who will be on his 7th team in 7 years?

 

"Bean loves to piss away cap money. 40M a year for a QB who leads the league in INTs?"

[Rasul Douglas to Bills - per Rap]

1 minute ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

I would have preferred DL but adding another CB should help. 

Wonder if they think Milano and/or Jones have a chance to play in the playoffs??? 

 

They think Dodson is good enough on 1st + mid range 2nd down, and can play Poyer/Rapp on passing situations. 

[Rasul Douglas to Bills - per Rap]

1 minute ago, juno999 said:

I like Rasul Douglas but if he doesn't beat out Jackson, I don't understand giving up a third round pick for him.  So I'm hoping GB that he's improved since you last saw him.

There's not even a competition here. Douglas is flat out the best healthy perimeter corner the Bills have right now, until Benford takes his next leap.

 

They also have two dudes who are now in 80%+ percentile for arm length