Wayne Cubed
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Thought Edmunds had a nice game too
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Time to burn the short yardage playbook. It’s awful this season. I’m convinced they are over thinking it.
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17 minutes ago, Buddo said:
It could well be because the full ‘protocol’ wasn’t followed correctly.
Iirc Tua went straight to the locker room, and again iirc, he should have had his first assessment on the sidelines.
There is also something in the protocol, about watching the incident as well. Which we don’t know if it happened.
I think a case can be made for termination, if just one of the above, didn’t get done.
This is where the loophole makes it confusing. According to the protocol, if a “no go” event occurs the player is suppose to leave the field immediately and be escorted to the locker room. You aren’t suppose to be able to come back from a “no go” event except if they can determine if the player had a “gross motor instability” and that was caused by something orthopaedic not neurological.I think the problem there is, if you take them straight to the sideline for the test there’s a better chance diagnosing the concussion. Otherwise you are giving the player time to clear those cobwebs.
They also don’t go into details about how they determine it was orthopaedic and not neurological.
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LET’S GOOOOOOOO
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1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:
What are you smoking?
It’s literally on the NFL site, I’m not smoking anything. Feel free to read it and smoke, if you like. Not to mention @Warcodered posted a video of a doctor explaining the same exact thing. But sure, disagree all you like. -
Surprised they wouldn't just cut or release him and come up with some sort of settlement.
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1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:
Are you really trying to be a dick about it? Was I a dick with you? You asked a question. I posted information that I believe answers that question. Whats with the passive aggressive attitude?
If they took him straight to the locker room for a no go situation then they failed their job because its a no go situation and they let him go back on the field.
No I'm not being a dick but you are posting from the NFL website and it's all right there.
And to your second question, if you see the * by the Gross Motor Instability, that explains how they can go back in after appearing to have a "No Go" situation.
Quote*Determined by team physician, in consultation with the UNC, to be neurologically caused.
They have to prove it was caused neurologically instead of looking at the video and just assuming it is. If they can't prove it, aka he passes the concussion tests AND they prove he has an orthopedic issue, he can return to play. It also says on the checklist you posted about going to the locker room for a No Go:
QuoteIf normal assessment, player may RETURN TO PLAY.
That's the loophole and where the whole thing has fallen down. Tua may have been able to clear the cob webs and pass the concusion test. They may have then determined he did in fact have a back injury. So therefore he can return to play. I have no idea if they review the video in the locker room, or seek a second opinion. Nothing in the protocol seems to suggest they do.
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4 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:
The spotter is also a UNC
Where in this graph does it say "skip the sideline review and go directly to the locker room?"
Honestly, this isn't that hard as you keep quoting the NFL website, it's literally right there in it.
Quote"No-Go" Signs and Symptoms.
If a player exhibits or reports any of the following signs or symptoms of concussion, he must be removed immediately from the field of play and transported to the locker room.
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1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:
I would say yes, they are supposed to.
The first part is the spotter, and that speaks to spotting the concussion and not to the Medical professionals performing the actual test.
This also talks of what happens when taken to the sideline for a concussion test and not what happens when taken to locker room for a "no go" evaluation for Gross Motor Instability. As we saw, Tua did not go to the sidelines to be evaluated.
Because of this loophole that he has to be taken to the locker room, it's possible he was able to clear the cobwebs by the time he got there. They may have been able to also determine he had a back injury, therefore confirming the orthopedic loophole.
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Just now, Augie said:
Serious question, and maybe it’s been answered before, but: Did the team Doc or the independent Doc even SEE him stumbling?
If they missed seeing it and/or were hiding in the shade and AC somewhere, the system failed, but at least then I can understand it. If they SAW him staggering and still cleared him, their license should be in jeopardy. I’m no doctor, but that was no back injury.
The independent spotter would have seen him stumble and would have relayed it. Now, whether they rewatched the video, I'm not sure. I'm not sure it's part of the protocol.
1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:I swear I read earlier in the week that they didnt even review the film of the injury in Buffalo when make the call. That is probably one mistake and a big one.
I'm not sure that's part of the protocol, in determining it was ortopedic or neurologic. It could be the case he got back to the locker room, was able to pass the concusion testing and did in fact have a back injury as well. It may be that the Doctors, per the protocol, aren't asked to look at the film of the stumble?
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53 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:
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I posted earlier in the thread about this loophole and determining it was orthopedic and not neurologic . I'm sure this is where mistakes were made. From the video @Warcodered posted its quite possible Tua got back to the locker room and had cleared his head enough to pass the tests and he did actually have a back injury. They should have reviewed the video and determined there was no way a back injury makes someone stumble like that.
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13 minutes ago, nucci said:
No good Dr would look at that and agree it was a back injury. Sometimes common sense has to be applied
But this is where the loophole is in the protocol.
The protocal states that if you exhibit gross motor instability, aka you are wobbly after a hit, then you have to go for a concussion test. Tua went for the concussion test and it was determind it wasn't neurological, based on the tests they preformed. According to the protocal, you can continue once that's determind. Is that right or wrong? They should probably just say if you exhibit gross motor instability, you are out of the game. I'm sure it's in the protocol because you could get up from a hit and trip over your own feet or a player or whatever and that too could look in instability.
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48 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:
Did I hear correctly this morning, that if you show any signs of “unsteadiness on feet/mobility issues”, you are out for the game no matter what the independent doctor sees afterwards? If so, the protocol and whomever is supposed to enforce it, failed miserably.
Actually no that's not in the protocol, and that's maybe where there's a loophole.
If you exhibit what the NFL calls "gross motor instability" aka you get up from a hit and are a bit wobbly or unsteady, then you must be examined for a concusion. Here's where the loophole is, if the independent doctor and team doctor determine it's no neurological, then you can go back into the game. Both the Dolphins and independent neurologist determined Tuas wasn't neurological from the tests they do in the protocol. Now, that doesn't mean the protocol works or is perfect. He should have obvioulsy been to have further tests
The easiest way to close that loop is to just say, hey if you exhibit this gross motor instability, you are out of the game. If I had to guess, they put that in the protocal in case someone gets up from a big hit and trips or falls over another player. That could be viewed as unsteadiness by an independent spotter.
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So, from an offensive stand point, I think Diggs will be doubled for the game. I'm interested to see the game plan that gets Knox, McKenzie and Crowder involved when that happens. And maybe Davis, though I'm not convinced he's a full go. Is this a McKenzie game ala the Patriots last year? The Dolphins played a lot of zone against the Patriots and then went with man against the Ravens. Will be interesting what they decided to do.
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Feel more for Micah, than the team. I think the Bills will be okay. He deserved to be part of this season and what could be a SB run.
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4 minutes ago, Big Turk said:
Bills seemingly dominate first halves but don't put up the points, but then bust open the floodgates in the second half. And the defense still has not allowed a single second half point yet this year. If that continues, the Fins are as good as dead.
Was it last year the Bills had a tough go in the 1st and 3rd quarters, then would come live in the 4th? They seem to be doing really well adjusting at halftime this season, obviously still very early.
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5 minutes ago, eball said:
Wasn't attacking you, Wayne. Just clarifying that the Bills were really responsible for that 10-10 tie (i.e., not being ahead).
All good.
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2 minutes ago, eball said:
...because of a McKenzie bobble, one bad Josh throw, and a fumble. Josh was dealing, even in the 1st half.
Did I say anywhere Josh wasn't dealing? I simply stated it was 10 -10 at halftime, if you are an opposing team, that's where you want to be if you have any shot at beating the Bills.
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8 minutes ago, eball said:
This was the most impressive (and scariest to every other team) thing about W1. The Rams' defense did not play poorly and Josh still carved them up.
It was 10 - 10 at halftime though and the Rams were getting the ball back after the half. I think if you are going toe to toe with the Bills, that's where you need to be. It wasn't a runaway at that point.
The problem for the Rams was they came out of the half and had a 3 and out, then the Bills scored on their drive. Then they had a 6 play drive that ended in a punt. Then the Bills scored again and just like that it's 24 -10 and the games getting away from them. Their offense just couldn't keep up.
You argue that's the right approach but whether another team can keep up with he Bills and Allen, is the question.
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I think it's same way the Bills would stop the Chiefs. Cover 2 shell, make the Bills run or dink and dunk down the field. Get pressure from 4, in the Bills case I think that's up the gut.
If a team can do that, it will shorten the game and eat up the clock. This allows the game to stay close, if the other teams offense can keep up. It also gives more options to the other teams offense and doesn't force them in to the Bills defensivee strength, pass defending.
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32 minutes ago, Beck Water said:
There are two problems with this strategy. One is named Jordan Phillips. The other is named Ed Oliver. They're both likely to show up on injury report this week.
Yea this is true and is more dependent on them being healthy. Saying that, we did see some nice pressure from Groot up the middle. They'll need to double Hill or Waddle, I'm just not sure I'd want to blitz and leave the possibility of them being one on one. I think you need to get creative with how you bring a 4-man pressure, which the Bills did in LA.
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52 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:
I would say opposite.
Rush 4 and flood the passing lanes. Not because of Tua, but because of the injuries at CB and the speed of Miami's WRs.
The last thing I think the bills want to do is blitz and leave their young corners 1 on 1 vs Hill and Waddle.
Yea I agree with this.
I think the pressure from the front 4 needs to come from the middle, a lot like it did for Stafford. I actually think they could run a similar gameplan to what they did against the Rams. Sean McVay wanted to stretch the defense. Stafford was getting frustrated not being able to go deep. The Bills do need to get pressure with 4 and move Tua off his spot and make him come off his first read.-
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Week 4, 10/02/22, Bills v. Ravens GAME BALLS
in The Stadium Wall
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Could it be they have a proper 1T to keep them clean?