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Yes the Steelers do that. But having lived there and seen how the Ownership is or at least was intertwined in the operations, it was a more a situation of drafting Steeler type players. Because there FO did not change much over the years the same philosophy applied year to year. Buddy and co. is changing the organization in a similarly methodical manner. I feel that the organization is more stable but are we any closer to winning the division? With Brady still playing I say no. We did not add enough immediate impact to close the gap. Depth sure. eventual starters probably. Starters and upgrades over last year maybe. I did not buy into the "need" at LT. It was more of a desire on the part of the media. Fitz is not a pcoket passer even if he had all day to throw, he lacks arm strength and accuracy. The quick strike offense we run is as much due to his limitations as it is lack of time. So if we did not "need" a starter depth could have been added later. David, was available, Kendricks was there too. Yes we did well in FA but there are no guarantees there either. Anderson is a scheme player, he disappeared in Chicago when he wasn't in an obvious pass rush down.

If I recall they were playing in the last game of the year. we did not not earn that chance. If you score like that yards is meaningless.

I am not a band wagon kinda person. More the religiously devoted type with the occasional crises of faith.

Touche. Perhaps you can let me borrow your tape library. It is complete I assume?

I also would have liked to see the return of our Toronto home game, the Pats draft all kickers and the Jets to mix up the dates of the draft. And the supermodel would be nice too but let's be reasonable. I will concede a nickel cb and ST regular fits my definition, but I guess just thought we could have done more. There is obviously a formula for the players they want. I guess I am just not disciplined enough.

If you only want to read the bottom half of the reports: Wr- Great speed, inconsistent, sloppy route runner, drops too many balls OL- Huge, poor feet, more f a guard than tackle, right tackle. DB- CB Elite speed, poor ball skills, hesitant, elite receivers turn him around easily. LB - Physical freak, does not fight through traffic, gets lost at the line of scrimmage, hesitant reading plays.

Maybe Gilmore. Who do you see?

As to assumptions, CHIX thinks Hairston is their guy. I do not think there is enough data to say he is not. No OTA's, No Minicamps, injury etc. The point is then Glenn, a talent, no argument develops as a OL usually does and is rotated in. Immediate impact maybe, game changing don't know. 2 first rounders is a luxury, but we certainly could have leveraged some of our picks for an extra 2 or 3 and increase the probability that those guys play right away. I think you are missing the point of my thread or I articulated it poorly, we got loads of talent, I guess I am impatient to see this team not only winning but contending with the top tier now.

OK Opening Day, barring injury in camp, who unseats who from last year?

I am not suggesting we are the Pirates of the NFL, but consensus here at TBD was Morrison should bagging at Wegmans and we should start the 13th caller to WGR opposite Johnson. I do not see Opening day starters in those slots. It's not just names I know, I am in Big ten country and if you don't have good internet access you wouldn't know they play football south of the Mason Dixon. But I do follow it and know there are good players out there. What I did not hear or read often in the commentary to our draft was "day one starter." Rather, "solid pick, will be there for ten years." Great but stating when?

That's the point. Hoarding picks like they are gold is no longer realistic under the new cba. Missess don't set you back as much and trading up isn't as much of a cap hit. I would have liked to seen 3 starters and a significant contribution from a situational player. That comes from trading up and down judiciously. I just do not see the immediate impact. Maybe the thought all along was 2013 who knows.

We got a lot of bodies. The overall character is outstanding. The Bills did their homework on that front. An eagle scout for christmas sake. But with ten picks and a high position in each round, we got maybe one starter on opening day, and maybe two by the end of the year. No one who jumps out as a HOF type. Solid ST depth and a crowded Practice Squad. I know we had holes, but with that type of ammo I would have expected a more immediate impact on the starting lineup recent FA acquisitions factored in. SO I think that while we got talent up and down the roster, I do not see a great step forward. I like what hte Bengals did, great value and probably two to three starters to a Playoff team. The steelers are retooled. New England did well to address immediate holes and there weren't many. So I guess I feel we wasted the opportunity accelerate the rebuilding process. This draft has a traditional feel to it like many in the past where we will see mid and late rounders get replaced by next years mid and late rounders. So while I commend OBD for not taking a step back, I am not sure we moved up in the overall hierarchy. I would love to have seen a more judicious use of picks, some movement and the addition of true starters this year. Glenn may not start, Gilmore will struggle, all DB's do while they learn. Our WR is a huge question mark and probably a project. I guess I expected a bigger leap. I know this will get ripped and I will get the wait three years response, but I am tired of waiting. I attended games at the Rockpile when I was in grade school so I have been drinking the Kool aid my whole life. I really thought that we would walk away from this weekend with more starters, on day 1 2012.

Can he play center as insurance for Wood?

We drafted a Guard in Round Two...at least according to the "experts". Would rather have had McNutt.

mcnutt....love the name...needs work but reminds me of Andre Reed

Any thoughts on upgrading the Back up spot? I thought Thigpen was lost when he had to step up. I am not sold on Beck as a starter but as a back up? Maybe.

trade up...1 2 3 for a barkley or jones hell yeah Also as the counterpoint to this draft, I do not think we helped ourselves immediately. Everyone in our division improved. the Bengals, Steelers and Ravens also improved. We will will be a cusp playoff team until we have a legitimate franchise qb. Neither Fitz or Moore is that guy.

Why? there are going to be NFL experienced QB's getting released as soon as Monday. Washington could be interesting. Our next QB will be taken in the top 10 in 2013. at least that is my hope.

More ST fodder. But I think I see the reasoning. Upgrade D, Upgrade ST, shorten field, play close games and Fitz isn't that big of a liability...makes sense. Carder is not an improvement over Sheppard.

K=Like it!!! Now dump the rest of the picks for next year. Supposedly they are worth more. Stock up to get a package to get a true QB next year and this team may just be back!!!

anyway to go back on nfl.com (online and see what they said?) I missed the analysis of Bradham and Brooks

There were better CB's available...maybe too much devotion to the SEC...I would have liked Minniefield or Norman

saw cousins 20 or so times...he will drive you crazy with dumb decisions...the McFumblesof Qb's...think Losman v.2

He runs like Steve Smith from Carolina...that could be good/