hondo in seattle
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1 hour ago, ddaryl said:
Here.. send him this. Doesn't include the last 2 years
Enjoyable way to spend 11 minutes of my life: I counted 13 traditional sneaks and tush-pushes out of dozens of TDs. Way less than half.
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10 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:
The WR room was rudderless because there was no alpha in place. No stud to set the tone. Sorta like former All Pro and alpha-persona Jordan Poyer is now being credited with as Cole Bishop is emerging. I mean.......every WR room has 4 or 5 other guys in it.
A hyped rookie who is the #2 focus of marketing by the team behind the QB being told he is going to become WR1 probably isn't going to be taking his lead from Shoeless Mack Hollins and short-arms-slot-only Shakir. There wasn't even a captain in the room anymore with wrong-way Gabe gone. The lack of leadership was acknowledged as a concern of the Bills....I mean, where did you think that applied? And Allen isn't the Aaron Rodgers type either. Not a guy who is going to ride a teammate to make him better like Rodgers did with the enigmatic young version of Davante Adams.
The tactical error was basically handing a player you were highly critical of after the season the WR1 job in 2025 and then playing him the most snaps all season as he continues to struggle and only then benching him outright for being late for at least his 3rd practice with the team. That's the definition of a day late and dollar short and the timing of it gives the perception to the public that he's the reason for the teams wildly inconsistent passing game(even if that weren't the case).
I appreciate the response and compliment your talent for making things sound dumber than maybe they really are.
For example, you mention the tactical error of "playing him [Keon] the most snaps all season as he continues to struggle..."
I don't assume that Keon got the most snaps because the coaching staff considered him the best WR nor were they rewarding him for his effort. I think it was just a matter of how Brady packages his receivers. And, statistically speaking, you could say all our wideouts were struggling, so Keon's production struggles don't stand out.
The big mistake was drafting Keon where we did. You could also argue that Beane hasn't managed the cap well which meant we didn't have the space to sign an expensive FA. But, from what I see and know, I don't think the coaching staff made any grave mistakes in how they've handled Keon. The kid does have some talent. They tried to nurse it along. But Keon screwed up enough times that they finally lost their patience. And I'm glad they did.
I think it would be super interesting to be a fly on the wall of One Bills Drive and see/hear how these situations truly evolve because we fans don't get the whole story.
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On 11/17/2025 at 4:18 AM, nuklz2594 said:
texans game is big. win that and team can get healed up?
I believe we currently have 13 players out on IR and another 16 on the injury report (as of yesterday). Amazing.
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15 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:
The Buc were 6-3 same record as Buffalo and most of their injuries were on the offensive side. Miami was 2-7 with a worse defense and more injuries plus they traded away some star defensive players. The Bills were smoked 30-13.
Against the 3-2 Falcons who had around the 20th ranked defense, near last against the run. Josh Palmer was the leading receiver in that game and the Buffalo passing game stunk it up with Allen 180 yards passing, 2 TDs, 2 INTs, 4 sacks and under pressure all game from blitzing. Now going into that game everyone knew that Atlanta was a heavy blitzing defense and yet Buffalo looked so unprepared in every facet. Loss 24-14
Greg Cosell mentioned on OBL that it was more of the passing scheme, which means Joe Brady.
I heard Cosell criticize our passing scheme which I agree with wholeheartedly. Cosell also mentioned that we don't have a great receiving corps, which I also agree with.
I'm just saying that the Bucs game doesn't prove anything - not that Brady is a good schemer after all, nor that our receivers are actually good. (I do, however, believe that our WRs are better than Brady often makes them look).
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1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:
It was acceptable with Diggs to the point where they idiotically extended him. I sometimes think Beane and McD are just too square to understand human nature. There aren't that many types of personalities. As an employer and team builder you gotta' learn how to get the most out of what is available to you. They drafted Coleman into a rudderless WR room the way they drafted Watkins into one. Getting serious about disciplining him after the fact was a tactical error. They should have been able to glean from last season that Coleman was immature and that they had to have a real WR1 in place this year............instead, they made Coleman WR1 and then benched him after he'd played the most snaps of anyone all season. 😂
This is an interesting narrative but I don't think it's quite accurate.
The WR room wasn't "rudderless." It simply lacked a star receiver.
"Getting serious about disciplining him after the fact was a tactical error." I'm not sure what you mean there. If you're using the word discipline to mean punishment, it's normal to punish someone after they screw up, not before. In any case, we don't know everything McD's done to correct Keon's issues. We don't what talks they've had. We do know that the discipline has increased from something mild to making Keon a healthy scratch. That's called progressive discipline and it's a normal behavior modification tool. When the little hammer doesn't work, pull out a bigger hammer.
When did the Bills coronate Coleman as WR1? They drafted him. They played him. I never heard anyone say he was the top dog, the new star, Diggs' replacement. It seemed more like they considered him a role player - a big-bodied guy who could come down with contested balls. Clearly, Beane drafted Coleman too high but I don't think the coaching staff overstated his value or treated him like a 1.
I think the coaching staff probably bought into the idea of building a capable passing attack using the diverse skill sets of our various WRs and TEs ("everybody eats") without a true WR1. And they're not entirely wrong. We're currently 2nd in ypg and 4th in ppg. Our offense is strong without an alpha receiver. In other words, McD is doing what you said he isn't doing - getting the most out of the people available to him.
I don't think Beane failed to get a WR1 this offseason because he (or anyone) thought Keon was the answer. I think he screwed up managing the cap and didn't have the resources to get someone better than Josh Palmer or Elijah Moore.
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1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:
It was ugly. Allen was 9/30 passing. Just 131 yards. He did add 54 yards on 4 carries. Our leading receiver was Coleman who had 49 yards on one catch for Josh's only TD. Cook played well having 99 yards on 22 touches and a TD. But even for how inept our offense was, it still took them converting an improbable 59 yard field goal at the gun to get the win.
As long as Allen doesn't 💩 the bed against them again, I believe we win this game easily.
I hope & pray you're right, but I don't see this as an easy victory.
Nobody's hung 30 on the Texans yet this year, and most teams don't even reach 20.
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15 hours ago, Shaw66 said:
This means you don't understand the passer rating. It is a measure of success pass by pass, not game by game. A good passer rating means you're better at pass defense than a bad passer rating. Period
True. Passer rating has nothing to do with passing attempts per game.
For example, a QB who goes 5 of 10 for 50 yards will have the same passer rating as a QB who goes 10 of 20 for 100 yards, or 20 of 40 for 200 yards. It's all about efficiency - how effective you are with the passing attempts you do take.Opposing QBs are not very efficient against us. The Bills pass D is better than average in completion percentage allowed, average yards per attempt allowed, and opposing passer rating. None of these stats have anything to do with our weak run defense or how often opposing QBs throw against us.
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1 hour ago, Nihilarian said:
I think that this Bucs game just proved that the offense doesn't need that expensive #1 WR that so many have been complaining about!
Suddenly most Buffalo receivers were getting open and the OC finally started utilizing the RBs in the passing game. Allen 317 yards Passing, 3 TDs and 11 bills players targeted in the Buffalo pass game and 10 caught passes. Shavers led the receivers with 4 catches for 90 yards, 1 TD.
Josh throwing for 300+ yards against a bad, injury-ridden secondary doesn't prove anything.
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21 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
maybe, depends how many he's returned and how that compares to league averages
There was a reason Hardman was unemployed...
Punt Return Fumble Comparison (Career Totals)
Player | Punt Returns | Fumbles | Fumble Rate
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Mecole Hardman | 89 | 7 | 1 per 12.7 returns
Marcus Jones | 45 | 2 | 1 per 22.5 returns
Kalif Raymond | 109 | 3 | 1 per 36.3 returns
Gunner Olszewski | 91 | 2 | 1 per 45.5 returns
Skyy Moore | 35 | 2 | 1 per 17.5 returns
Jamison Crowder | 95 | 1 | 1 per 95 returns
Jakeem Grant | 119 | 4 | 1 per 29.8 returnsThe league average is something like 1 fumble per 37 returns.
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5 hours ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:
Shavers 4.3 Keon 4.6
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Shavers ran a 4.59 at his pro day at San Diego State. He's not fast, though I suppose it's not a terrible time for a bigger-bodied guy (6'4", 211 lbs).Keon's a bit quicker but neither of these guys runs like a deer...
Shavers Keon
40 yards 4.59 4.61
10 yards 1.63 1.54
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True story... I had a dream last night that the Bills hired a brilliant passing game coordinator to help Brady out in 2026 and the Bills started setting scoring records.
I so badly want this dream to come true.
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The Texans have a good defense. Nobody's scored 30 on them yet this year and most teams don't even reach 20. They only give up 258.1 yards per game. I see a grind, but one the Bills eventually win.
Bills 26
Texans 23
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I'm heartened by the fact that it's not the case that the best team wins the SB every year. If the best team always won, we wouldn't have a chance at a Lombardi because our D mostly sucks and our O is inconsistent.
But football is a funny game and anything can happen in a best-of-one series. Sometimes good teams have bad games. Sometimes injuries, bad ref calls, weird bounces, and all the other fun possibilities of the game allow the weaker team to win.
We're good enough to be in contention and maybe the Gridiron Gods will favor us with some breaks this year.
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As a little kid in the suburbs of Buffalo I was as much a Browns fan as a Bills fan. The first game I ever watched on TV was a Browns-Cowboys game with the Browns down by two scores. As a child of maybe 9, of course I rooted for the team getting stomped. And, sure enough, the Brownies came back to win. I was hooked on football and the Browns. I stayed a Browns fan until they moved the team out of the city in the middle of the night.
But I remember Kosar well and appreciated the good Browns moments he created. It's a shame he ruined his liver with alcohol. Still, he's in my prayers.
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19 minutes ago, Big Turk said:
It was a tough catch because he had to stretch his hands out but it did go right through his hands.
It looks more like the ball went off his fingertips. Just an inch or two overthrown?
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The only thing I'm confident about is that our run D will struggle.
Our pass D has good and bad days, like our entire offense.
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I've heard it said that without Kincaid or Shakir, we have basically nothing.
Well, Kincaid didn't play yesterday and a gimpy Shakir contributed negative yardage. Yet Josh still threw for 300+ in a 6 TD, 44-point game.
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33 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:
Shakir reminds me of Andre Reed
He led all wrs Sunday in avg separation according to next gen stats.
That's truly good to hear.
But honest question: Was that because of his skill or Buc DBs blowing assignments?
Shavers good game is encouraging, but even Keon had a good game once.
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The fact that he was signed on Monday and running a go route on Sunday tells me that McD and/or Brady like the speed he brings to the WR room. I don't think they see him as exclusively a return man.
And maybe the calf injury wasn't the legit reason he was benched, but maybe it was.
I don't expect him to be cut. But I don't think he'll survive another fumble.
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I hardly remember seeing Hairston, yet he played over half the snaps.
Ray Davis only played one offensive snap and didn't get a carry. Seems like his star is falling - as a RB, not as a returner.
No WR played more than 54% of the snaps. Brady's receiver packages are interesting.
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I think Bishop is a legit starter. Really happy with his recent trajectory.
I think the rest of them are backups. I like Poyer's knowledge and experience but he's clearly not the player he once was. We've seen enough of Hamlin and Lewis to know they're okay as depth but shouldn't be starting. As for Hancock, I haven't watched him closely enough to have a strong opinion.
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Yikes. I want to be wrong and I just got new glasses so maybe I am because what I see so far is a jag. Not fast, not quick, average route runner, good size and physicality. After not being drafted and toiling on the PS for 2 years, he made the 53 this year which suggests coachability and a good work ethic.
Put all that together and I'm rooting for the kid, but I don't see him as a HOF Stallworth comp. Though I wouldn't mind him taking more snaps away from Coleman.
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3 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
Shaq Thompson is our best LB and should be starting once fully healthy
To me, Shaq looks like our best run-stuffing LB while serviceable in coverage.
Given our vulnerability to the run, I agree he should be on the field more.
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Beane's drafts have been very hit or miss, but it looks like he nabbed a couple of good ones in Hairston and Bishop.
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Should we look to trade Keon after this season?
in The Stadium Wall
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We may not agree on all of the nuances of how it happened, but we do agree on this: Coleman hasn't worked out.
I get frustrated when Josh scans the field and finds no one to throw to. Obviously, that happens to every QB, but it seems to happen to Josh more than most. And while the TEs and other WRs are also at fault, not to mention Brady, Coleman bears more than his fair share of the blame. At this point, I'd probably rather see any other Bills receiver on the field.
I'm also frustrated with Beane. When you win the lottery with a unicorn QB, you then need to get him two things: a good OL and a good WR corps. We've had one or the other during Beane's tenure but never both at the same time. That's criminal neglect.