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31 minutes ago, Joe Marino said:
#126 on Kiper’s big board….. I just had to keep scrolling.
Beane really was jonesing!
Why reference Kiper's board? Kiper's board was put together by Kiper. Beane's board was put together by Beane and his entire staff of professionals. Do you think Kiper's board is better?
I think Kiper is a smart guy but remember when he swore that he'd quit his draft work if Jimmy Clausen didn't become a successful NFL quarterback? His board means nothing to me.
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35 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:
One of the best parts of the draft is how we fans seem to think we know all the right moves to make. I myself turned down 9 NFL front office job offers in order to stay middle class.
I get the disappointment about not choosing a 1 tech but, still, this is my favorite comment!
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11 minutes ago, Simon said:
Corner is never going to be a fun or sexy pick because it's such a defending position instead of an impact, attacking one.
But I gotta say, the more I see, the more I like this.
Maybe things are a bit different now with the reemergence of RBs. But in the heyday of the passing league, the most important positions on defense were corner and edge. I don't think it's much different now.
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I went with Sanders. He probably wasn't the biggest surprise but, for me, he was the most interesting.
Kiper compared it to the fall of Aaron Rodgers and thinks Sanders is a first round talent.
On the other hand, an anonymous NFL coach said Sanders gave "the worst formal interview I've ever been in in my life," citing entitlement, poor body language, and a tendency to blame teammates.
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I personally feel better about his pick than I did about Elam. But let's be honest, I'm just a fan who knows little about the nuances of talent evaluation.
Even professional GMs often get things wrong. For example, Bill Polian who got two teams into the Super Bowl once traded away a first-round pick to get Tony Ugoh who went on to became a career journeyman backup. So I don't have 100% confidence in Beane who, after all, picked Elam high.
But I have even less faith in Joe Marino or Dougie from NFLSuperDraftExperts.com who writes his takes on his laptop as he suffers from irritable bowel syndrome on the toilet of his shabby apartment paid for by his unemployment checks. I am interested in expert opinions (ex scouts, coaches, and I'll include guys like Cosell) but I'm not sure why the naysayers back up their arguments with the opinions of non-experts. Just give us your own take. Half of us will be wrong and that's okay.
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6 minutes ago, dje85 said:
Dion Dawkins liked the pick go to 3:28:05 of the draft kings video (posted) Dawkins was being interviewed screamed happy and jumped in his pool happy about the cb pick.
That was hilarious!
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3 minutes ago, DJB said:
Brandon Beane likes Hairston. So does Greg Cosell. But the pimply cellar dweller who runs NFL Draft Files doesn't. I'm worried now.
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Shout out to Gonzo and GunnerBill. They predicted the Bills taking Hairston in their podcast.
And I feel better about our CB room now.
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I asked ChatGPT if Brandon Beane were to allow a Bills fan (one who posts on TBD), who should it be. It responded:
If Brandon Beane were to allow a Buffalo Bills fan to run the draft, based on recent discussions on Two Bills Drive, the following posters have demonstrated a strong understanding of the draft process and could competently handle the responsibility:
RyanC883: With over 15,000 posts, RyanC883 has been actively involved in mock drafts and discussions, showcasing a deep understanding of player evaluations and team needs. Two Bills Drive
NewEra: A member with over 31,000 posts, NewEra has provided insightful analyses on draft prospects and team strategies, indicating a comprehensive grasp of draft dynamics. Two Bills Drive
GunnerBill: Holding the highest post count on the forum, GunnerBill has been a consistent contributor to draft discussions, offering well-informed opinions on player selections and team needs. Two Bills Drive
These individuals have demonstrated the knowledge and engagement necessary to make informed decisions during the draft process.
While other members like BuffaloBillyG and Solomon Grundy have also contributed valuable insights, their involvement in draft discussions appears to be more recent or less extensive. Two Bills Drive
In conclusion, based on their active participation and demonstrated understanding, RyanC883, NewEra, and GunnerBill would be among the best choices to competently run the Bills draft.Two Bills Drive+1Two Bills Drive+1
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7 hours ago, Magox said:
I just used X's Grok and asked them the exact same question and they provided:
Round 1 pick 30 CB Maxell Hairston
Round 2 Pick 56 Edge Donovan Ezeiruaku
Round 2 Pick 62 DT Kenneth Grant
Gonzo and GunnerBill projected Hairston for the Bills in Round 1 as well.
The stars are aligning...
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Yesterday, I said that if I could choose a poster to run the Bills draft, I'd pick either Gonzo or GunnerBill. And here they are together! Listening now - you two sound like old pros.
Thanks for this.
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Perplexity just did a mock for me and had us getting Princely Umanmielen (edge).
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I'm not much of a TV guy but I'll watch the first round downstairs while my wife watches ancient chinese fantasies (wuxia) upstairs and my adult son plays video games in his bedroom.
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3 hours ago, oldmanfan said:
Don’t know who’s be first, but I’d definitely put myself last. I don’t have near the knowledge of all the nuances that would go into evaluating players
I appreciate the humble realism and am in the same boat. I watched precisely zero college games last year and am not a skilled evaluator in any case.
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I wouldn't want fans drafting. Beane has an entire staff of professional scouts who spend a ridiculous amount of time learning their craft, talking to coaches, watching film, etc. No fan can come close to replicating all that.
But if you put a gun to my head: either GunnerBill or Gonzo.
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Beane doesn't like going into the draft feeling desperate about any position. And we all know desperate GMs make mistakes - like Elam.
I think the Bills might still take a CB early depending on how the board plays out. But now Beane is less likely to reach.
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15 hours ago, Maine-iac said:
If you look at White's advanced defense stats he started the year off in LA with three bad games but then was fairly solid the rest of the season. He's further removed from injury and younger than Bradbury. Trying to be positive. I always liked White hopefully he has something left.
All I've seen was that he had a 52.9 rating from PFF for the entire season - putting him in the bottom 25% of NFL CBs.
Do you have a Rams/Ravens breakdown?
But as I recall, Tre didn't participate in OTAs last year, so he was far from fully recovered. Really hoping he's healthier and better this season.
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23 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:
I think quoting a lot of coaching clichés isn't a strong argument. What HC hasn't said these things?
"Champions behave like champions before they're champions'? Ok, sure. You and I both agree the Bills behave like champions and are winners--but they have no championships despite all this culture of winning.
I'll agree Belichick at least expected a culture of winning, but that evaporated once Brady left (Brady immediately imported his "culture" to a SB win for a team coached by Arians, of all people).
Back in 2016, Foxsports said this: "Hue Jackson has changed the culture. The Cleveland Browns may not be winning games in 2016, but there is a different atmosphere in town now that Hue Jackson is the head coach." Cleveland.com: "Will the Browns put more emphasis on character in the draft under Jackson? We'll see."
"In a national radio appearance not long after accepting the Browns job, Jackson told us why he thought the latest new regime change in Berea could make the difference when others failed so spectacularly. "Hue Jackson's in town, baby," the head coach said.
Jackson was the worst HC in NFL history
Cowher handed Tomlin the Steeler's "winning culture. Tomlin has pretended it is his own since. The result has been, since a SB win 17 years ago and loss 15 years ago, a team that never won another playoff game--and now it's to the point where, with the way Tomlin has mangled the QB room for the past few years, he's essentially daring Rooney to fire him. What's the culture over there?
Despite Tom Coughlin's "culture of winning" (2 SBs), he was fired by the Giants (obviously he did not retire) after it somehow became a culture of losing 3 seasons in a row. He brought his culture of trust, accountability and communication to the Jags--where he was canned by the owner specifically because, according to the NFLPA, the players on that team had filed 25% of the player grievances the union received that year. "Trust"?? The NFLPA actually warned free agents against signing with the Jags due to "Coughlin's reported disregard for players rights"---oops, culture!!
Harbaugh certainly tolerated and helped deify a total POS like Ray Lewis and, despite rostering a 2 time NFL MVP and racking up a ton of, his team hasn't won an AFCC game since 2012.
Dungy was another regular season winner---yet I can't think of a single HC who squandered more elite talent on both sides of the ball. In 7 seasons, his teams amassed a playoff record of 7-6. They beat Rex Grossman for a SB. The Manning-Dungy combo in 7 seasons had an astounding 4 one and done playoff exits. 2 years after the "Dungy era", AI human Jim Caldwell "guided" the Colts back to the SB (a loss). What exactly was Dungy's "culture? H did like to give the starters a rest before the playoffs started (how did that often work out?).
Then there's this:
"I feel like we really attacked the character side of the game in our locker room, when you look at D.J. Reed and Whitehead and C.J. and Conklin and Laken," Saleh said. "They bring an edge, they're bringing professionalism, they're bringing a winning pedigree to the locker room. They've all been in championship games, they've all been with winning organizations, so it's really exciting to get those guys here."
It's about the talent on the roster and the genius of the coaches. The rest are bromides and platitudes.
I think we're just going to agree to disagree but let me close out with a story.
When I was a platoon leader in the army, my bar-hopping soldiers got into a fight. One of my guys had been jumped and we got revenge. I was somewhat involved. My battalion commander informally but sternly reprimanded me at the O Club one evening after duty when he found out.After the reprimand, he leaned toward me and spoke in a hushed, conspiratorial tone, "Tell me, these other soldiers - were they my soldiers or from the other tank battalion."
"They were from the 1st tank, sir."
"Good. One more question, did our guys win the brawl?"
"Sir, we kicked their (freaking) (butts)."
"Excellent!!!" He slammed his fist into the table with enthusiasm and launched into a long & passionate "off the books" monologue about how the army was getting soft and war is a violent profession and if we expect soldiers to win battles, we need men with warrior spirit who love to scrap.
Did that mean he didn't care about character or culture? Just the opposite. He wanted fighters (character) and a battalion imbued with warrior spirit (culture). He also liked that in my platoon we stuck up for each other (culture). Choir, character, and culture are all different things. You can have a winning culture with drinkers and brawlers on the team.
When you're hired to coach a team, run it your way. Like Walsh, I'll start by building a winning culture.
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17 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:
there's no relevance to comparing special forces servicemen and pro teams. you would best move off that, nothing there for you.
The Cowboys in the 90's were full of "bad boys", but they mopped the floor with hapless Uncle Marv's "fighting for each other" (at bars, before the SB)--there's a lot of irony there.
your argument has 2 logical conclusions: 1) the Bills would do better to emulate the Chiefs and bring in more miscreants off the field, who execute on the field "A culture of bad character") 2) Reid is orders of magnitude better at coaching an NFL team than McD
A number of studies have shown the benefits of a good culture in business, the military, and other organizations. While I don't think there have been any cultural studies performed on sports teams, lots of successful coaches talk about it. And it's unfathomable to me that culture benefits teams in other spheres but not in football. You may not believe this but Super Bowl coaches do:
Tony Dungy: "Success is built on more than Xs and Os... [You need to] cultivate a culture of discipline and accountability, but also mutual respect and support."
Bill Wash: "Champions behave like champions before they're champions; they have a winning standard of performance before they are winners... The culture precedes positive results."Bill Belichick: "Do your job... Accountability creates a culture of improvement."
Bill Cowher: "Hard work always beats talent when talent doesn't work hard... Culture really is about commitment and sacrifice. You're not just playing with one another, you're playing for one another."
John Harbaugh: "Guys with blood, sweat, and dust on their faces will decide games... Culture-building is about establishing a world view for your team."
Tom Coughlin: "The greatest teams are built on trust, accountability, and communication. Establish priorities that create an overall culture governing everything."
Mr. Weo: "This culture stuff is BS."Weo, you're a good poster who's offered up some great insights over the years, but this wasn't one of your finer contributions. Culture matters. And so do schemes, game plans, talent, luck, refereeing, conditioning, weather, etc." There are a number of variables. A good team excels at the variables they control and hopes for the best with the variables they don't.
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3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:
you are a regular here--this place constantly woofs on KC as a place for miscreants, criminals and addicts--yet this "culture" (presumably the opposite of the Bills) only produces AFCC and SBs.
Are you saying that ANY culture (lawless or straight laced) is all that matters? That doesn't seem to make sense, but if true, wouldn't the Bills be better off adapting a "bad boy"/criminals in the off-season culture such as in KC? The one the Bills put forth seems to get axed by the Chiefs culture every year when it counts...
KC certainly has had more than its share of football miscreants. But character and culture are two different things. Let's talk about both...
Marv used to talk about "football character" instead of generic character. For Marv, football players didn't need to be choir boys off the field but on the field they needed to execute, play together, and fight for each other. I think Reid probably sees things the same way.
Culture is the collective values, beliefs, and behaviors of a group. If a coward like me joined Delta of SEAL Team Six, pretty soon I'd be willing to risk my life to help my buddies because the culture of the group would become part of me. Football culture is all about group effort, execution, accountability, coachability (growth mindset), attention to detail, etc.
Beane & McD pretty much sign only guys who support and strengthen the culture. Reid is willing to take calculated risks on certain guys who have shortcomings but might flourish in the strong winning culture he's established. And sometimes (e.g. Kareem Hunt) it doesn't work out.
I don't know if going after 'bad boys' in free agency or the draft would help the Bills overcome the Chiefs. Bad boys don't just damage the benefits of a good team culture, they also tend to do things like not learn the playbook, get suspended, get arrested, and otherwise not add value equal to the level of their physical gifts.
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Made second-team all pro as recently as 2022. But will be 32 before the season begins and is coming off the Achilles injury.
I get the feeling BigAl is leaning Yes when presenting all the reasons we should lean No. Even if he's recovered and proves to be a decent one-year rental at safety as Doc says, there's no future here.
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54 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:
What's the culture over there in KC been for the past 5 years?
I don't know. I haven't been there. But just because some player is far from angelic off the field doesn't mean he can't be a good teammate and doesn't share some good cultural values with the other players.
From what I've read, Reid likes players who communicate openly and honestly, take practice seriously, know their role, execute on game day, respect their teammates, give maximal effort, hold themselves accountable for the football mistakes they make, and so on. That's the culture he promotes and a murderer can do all that. We may not like or respect Reid giving homes to guys with off-the-field issues, but to say Reid isn't doing things to build a winning football culture or doesn't consider culture fit is wrong.
1 hour ago, JP51 said:Not gonna lie, I was actually surprised that there wasnt more debate over Reed.
Agreed. I voted Moulds but expected Reed to get more tallies.
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On 4/14/2025 at 12:09 PM, Mr. WEO said:
Rashad was a JAG who had a cup of joe in Buf--his career was essentially that of the completely forgettable John Brown.
TO was light years better than Diggs, yet Beane ignored the obvious issues with this guy and traded away a 1st rounder for him anyway.
TO cried for his QB. Diggs cried at his QB(s). This "culture" stuff is BS. If TO in his prime was to be had, even WR-opposite-of-savant Beane would sign him.
If you've ever been part of a high-performing team, you know the culture stuff is not BS. Culture is a force multiplier. To paraphrase Aristotle: The whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Delta knows this. SEAL Team Six knows this. Mike K, Pat Riley, Tomlin, Belichick, Lombardi, Campbell, Dungy... they all know.
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2 hours ago, Ralonzo said:
Amos is tops in forced incompletion rate. That's production for a CB. He checked the boxes at the combine as well.
I didn't realize there was such a consensus on Amos. Kiper, PFF, AtoZsports, and ESPN (Matt Miller) all project the kid at #30.
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Bills 2nd Rnd pick in 2025 Draft : TJ Sanders - DT South Carolina
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So you'll trust the opinion of casual Gamecock fans over the opinion of a professional NFL GM and his scouts? Interesting choice.
Personally, I don't actually trust anyone - not even myself. I've read the scouting reports, looked at the highlights, and still haven't formed an opinion. I'll wait to see him play in the NFL.