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I honestly could not remember if he was the dead guy or not...I did not take the effort to Google him. I couldn't remember who it was that was killed
The gravel road killed him, it's co-conspirator being a pick-up truck.
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Chris Henry?? a Dead guy, really??
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No question the 1st half of 2012 was bad for Cam...He was my Fantasy QB so I speak from some experience here...
But in his defense Cam came on big time in the 2nd half and, at least I believe, answered some of his critics big-time...
And one footnote...I won my last 9 FF games and took the league...
I can tell you this, and anyone can feel free to cross check this, but for all the flack he gets, Cam Newton has had the best 2 seasons ever, statistically, to start a career.
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I don't see how anyone who watches college football regularly could ever say "Geno Smith has everything that a team is looking for." That's absolutely ludicrous. He solely plays out of a spread formation and doesn't take snaps from under center. I guess the fantasy football crowd probably thinks that's no big deal - "Heck, how hard could it be to take 3 steps back, right?" Let's also overlook the fact that the Airraid scheme in WV only teaches a QB to focus on reading half of the field. With all the underneath throws and wide open receivers, there's a legitimate concern that after 3 years at QB he still can't properly cycle through his read progressions. Bah, who cares right? I mean 42TDs and 6 INTS guys!!! That will certainly translate to the NFL! How's he perform with a pass rush on him? Well that's hard to say as well, because he rarely faced a pass rush in college.
I'm not going to argue these points - it's too difficult when the subject is so adored, but they are valid concerns. I will however completely rain on your parade with this tidbit - Jeff Lurie personally attended Smith's Pro Day, only the 2nd time in his 19 year ownership of the Eagles that he has done that (Donovan McNabb was the other). So forget about him at 8, and sorry but no, this isn't the "complete package QB" that a team trades up for.
Too bad he only played in the "AirRaid" 2 of 4 yrs. The other 2 were under Bill Stewart and a more traditional under center offense.
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"there are questions about his leadership skills/ability to pull his team out of a slump or bring them from behind as evidenced by West Virginia's disappointing fall after a hot start."
If you can point to any QB in recent memory that had a defense that surrendered as many points as WVU's, and put them in the holes they were in, and led that team back in every game, I will send you a $100 check, promise.
WVU surrendered over 38pts/game, usually in bunchs. No qb in the country could've pulled off 10 wins with that D. Add to that in a few games, like Oklahoma or TCU, the defense gave up the deciding score.
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How many time does it have to be said over and over again? There is no QB resolution for the Bills in this class of QBs.
This sentiment is really annoying. Last year was an anomally for qbs. Just because there is no Luck doesn't mean this is a weak class for qbs. Smith, wilson, Barkley all have the tools to be very good pro qbs, plus there's guys like jones, nassib, glennon and manuel that have long term potential as well.
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If you want a guy that can run the read option then you should give Pat White a call.
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Wilson will surprise a lot of ppl as a pro. He has "it".
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McCarron
Bridgewater
Manziel
Murray
Boyd
Shaw
Carr
mariota
case mccoy
mettenburger
bryn renner
thomas
Paschall
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As for his drafting record, in year 1 he drafted 1 good player: Spiller.
Year 2: Dareus is a decent, but a disappointment so far given where he was drafted. I thought it was a good pick at the time, and I hope that changes. No one else in year 2 has done so yet.
year 3: Gilmore was a disappointment as well in his rookie season, displaying a strong propensity to hold. That said, he's clearly talented and I'm optimistic. Glenn appears to be a solid LT, but he's a bit slowfooted and is probably better suited to RT. I hope I'm wrong about that. Regardless, he played reasonably well this past season. No one else from the draft did, but I will grant that they were rookies.
The bottom line is that team is worse than in the Jauron years and is filled with holes. They have one decent receiver, no QB, no linebackers, one good safety, a talented but underperforming d-line, and a less talented but credible o-line that just got a whole lot worse at around 4 pm today. And their one decent TE is badly hurt. Like you, I hope that all of this changes soon and the Bills become a winning team once more.
And for the record, despite the gist of your comments, I'm not anti-southern. I happen to believe that the South has a disproportionate number of good players. But it's not the only place to look, and prejudging players based on regions strikes me as a poor way to build a draft board.
Im gonna stick to the draft record.
My point was that we tried drafting from other areas prior to Nix, and Failed miserably. Using the premise that you can't judge a draft class till after the 3rd yr in the league I would go as far as to say that Buddy has improved the overall talent and direction of the franchise. He does not play, he does not coach, he simply provides the staff the players, and they are responsible for utilizing the talent in the best way possible.
yr 1: Spiller, and carrington, and to a lesser degree Moats are the only noteworthy players in that class. plus we STILL don't know what we have in Troup.
yr 2: Dareus, williams, sheppard, Searcy, hairston, white and rogers have all become solid players/rotational/role players for us. The unbelievable situation that Dareus had to deal with last yr is certainly a reason for his decline last yr, but his arrow is pointed up, make no mistake about it.
yr 3:Gilmore was far from a disappointment, did he struggle at points, yes, but he was a solid player who has star potential.
Glenn had a great yr and should be better if he can stay healthy.
Graham, despite the fanbases misconceptions, had a solid yr considering his draft position. Is it what we WANTED, no, but fan expectations are a bit unrealistic in comparison to coaches expectations.
Bradham and Brooks both played well all things considered and should only get better, and Sanders, while stashed on the practice squad, should be expected to push for PT this yr as well.
Again, it was their first yr, you can't crucify a rookie class for not becoming instant All-Pros. There is Talent to mold.
in comparison, the 3 yrs prior produced the following players of note:
Wood, Byrd, Levitre, Leodis, Stevie, Lynch and Poz. The rest were dreadful busts. We were more diverse then, drafting from all over the places.
I guess my bigger point is that IMO, the Coaching is the bigger culprit than the drafting during the Nix era, and yes i understand he hired Chan, as a last resort because nobody wanted the Job, despite what Nix said to the contrary.
It is my belief that the solid drafting Buddy has done over the past 3 yrs will finally show results with the new coaching staff, especially on defense. I guess we'll have to wait and see, until then, agree to disagree...
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Insults don't strike me as effective ways to further a conversation about a moderately interesting topic. As for Florida, given the settlement of the northern part of the state in the 1840s, the agricultural nature of the state's economy in the nineteenth century, and the percentage of the population that was enslaved prior to emancipation, the northern part of the state was very much "Southern." Today, Tallahassee, the panhandle, and Jacksonville are still largely "of the south." Miami of course is not, and neither is Tampa/St. Pete. Or Orlando. No doubt Florida has changed in the last 75 years. But portions of it - specifically, where the Gators and Seminoles play - are culturally southern. It's worth mentioning that one of the worst racial massacres in US history - Rosewood (150 people killed) - occurred in Florida in 1923. It was orchestrated by the Klan.
Last time I checked, some nice white ppl from the Buffalo area were the ones burning messages in a black man's front yard most recently. And apparently, Mlk day in Wny is also known as "Dead N***** Day". To insinuate that rascism is more prevalent in the south today is incorrect. If anything, certain areas of the north have done a great job of utilizing their own special segregation practices.
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"Idiotic" seems a tad harsh, in my humble opinion. Moreover, I'm not comparing the southern states of 1861 with the northern states of 1861. Rather, I'm assuming, on very strong grounds, that the states in the CSA have had for well over a century a self-identity as "the South." It has diminished some in recent years, particularly in northern Virginia, southern Florida, and the research triangle area (in NC). But that self-identity still exists, and until relatively recently "the lost cause" was something that most people in the region knew about and identified with to some extent (if white). While a lot has changed in recent years, "the South" as a differentiated and unique region still exists, more or less. Judging from political alignment and demographics, I don't think that's remotely arguable.
Florida has never been considered part of "the south". As for the rest of that nonsense, just say what you wanna say, but I warn you, tread lightly.
Regardless, Nix, who is from the deep South (Alabama) has a clear bias toward the region. Is it justified? Well, the best college football is certainly played in the South, and the best teams are there. Are the best athletes there? That's a different question.
As for Russell Wilson, I wouldn't be surprised if his departure from NC State was a black mark on him in Nix's book.
Except Wilson was pushed out the door to make room for Glennon
Just one more note on this issue: Nix has drafted one guy as a QB for the Bills (Levi Brown).
and he would've taken Cam Newton if he had fallen to # 3
Finally, since in 20 years the Bills have drafted only one good player (Stevie Johnson) in rounds 6 and 7 and one moderately impactful player (Jay Riemersma), I'm going to throw out rounds 6 and 7 and focus on rounds 1-5.
In rounds 1-5 in the past three years, the Bills have drafted 18 players. Only one - Marcus Easley (UConn) - is not from the South. That means that 94.4 percent of the players Nix has drafted in rounds 1-5 have been from the South. Again: 94.4 percent. In rounds 1-3, it's 100 percent.
Instead of looking at where they played, why not add the success rate into in like I did. The numbers don't lie the way you do. Nix has drafted south heavy, and we've gotten better players because of it plain and simple.
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1: Russell Wilson played all but 1 yr in the ACC at NC State.
2: there were not 50 states during the Civil War. The statement that " there were 11 states in the CSA and the other 39 were not is misleading.
3: Please look at our drafts prior to nix arriving, same sample size (3 yrs). Tell me the success rate of our southern vs. non southern picks and what the numbers are. Here's the link http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=0610&type=team
in the 3 yrs prior to nix we drafted 7 out of 28 players from the south. 21 from non southern teams. Amazingly, 17 of those 21 non southern players were basically garbage or ran out of town and hated by bills fans. The success rate of our Dixie players during that same time period 5/7 were players that became starters.
Another thing to remember is that not every players will become a superstar.. If you get 4 good players that become either rotational players or legit starters that's success. using that as the measuring stick nix's Drafts look like this:
16 picks that have become players or are being developed and groomed ( i include Graham, sanders, and moats in this group)
11 picks that have done nothing, or almost nothing and who are no longer with the team.
of those 16 positive picks 15 are "southern" players
of the 11 "busts" 7 are Northern players.
What's the point of all this?
Nix has missed on some guys, and as others have said, it's easy to Cherry Pick the missed opportunities in hindsight, however, he has added alot of talent to a roster that was very bad when he arrived.
To say that because he's old and Southern means he somehow out of touch and unwilling to draft Northern Players is Idiotic.
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Just sayin that thru some of the things I've read about USC QB's leads me to believe they suck. I dunno, Barkley might just be different. The guy is graded by some as a second round pick
http://walterfootbal...013mbarkley.php
Feb. 20: I've heard from multiple sources that NFL teams are souring on USC quarterbacks because they are viewed more as Hollywood stars than football players. Matt Barkley's decision not to throw at the Combine has prompted similar sentiments from two scouts:
"Here we go again, another L.A. movie star quarterback who needs his own day to throw," a veteran scout told Yahoo!
"And you wonder why guys from Southern California (are bad)?" a veteran team executive said. "Everything is like they have to draw attention to themselves."
When Barkley not being cleared was mentioned, the executive just grew angrier.
"I'm telling you, it's always [something] with guys from down there… not just USC, the whole area. I don't know what it is."
Its clearly not just me.
I do recall almost everyone on this board stating they didn't want another USC Rob Johnson type. Johnson left USC holding virtually ever major passing record and spent much of his senior year as a HT candidate. In his final game for the school, Johnson led his team to victory in the 95 cotton bowl, dominating Texas Tech by a final score of 55-14
How players play in college doesn't always translate to the NFL and USC seems to be the opposite of a QB factory for the NFL. I just don't trust Geno Smith either because in some games where his team got behind in the score he couldn't bring them back, and looked very defeated on the sidelines. Jeez, haven't we Bills fans seen enough of that?
His defense was giving up over 40 pts/gm. It's kinda difficult to "lead your team back from behind" when the defense continually gives the lead right back to the opponent. Kinda like the TCU or Oklahoma games this yr.
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There's alot I could say here, but I'll make just a few points:
1: Smith's completion % is a great indicator of his pro potential
2: to the guy that said smith played in a worse conference than Mccoy...THey both played in the Big 12
3: to those who question his ability to read defenses, go back and check into the coaching staff interviews, they rarely asked him to make more than 2 reads. Like many spread offenses, he had his 2 primary reads, then the checkdown. However, when asked about his "Football IQ" everyone agreed that that Smith's is very high.
and Finally, how many yrs have an "andrew luck, or Rg3" been available? the answer is few and far between, yet somehow, teams have managed to win anyway. If Smith turns out to be a Drew Brees type, or Aaron Rodgers, I'll be happy with that.
You can't base the strength of this QB group on the fact that there isn't a once in a decade guy available. That doesn't mean he's a "scrub".
IMHO, Geno Smith, and Tyler Wilson for that matter, are guys that you can build a team around. Consider the fact that we have a solid line in place, a premier RB, top shelf #1 WR, and a young WR that would benefit from a guy that has the ABILITY to throw downfield. Its a good situation for a young QB to come in to.
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Great post right there. If either one of these guys was anywhere near a sure thing, we would have to trade up to get one of them
Like Pittsburgh did with Roethlisberger....oh wait
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http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2013/03/06/polians-assessment-of-geno-barkley/
“I can tell you Geno Smith’s strength is the ability to throw the ball down the field,” said Polian. “He’s got good arm strength, he has good athleticism, and can pretty much function in any system."
" he’s a guy that can pretty much fit into every system. He has a quick release, gets the ball out quickly, so that’s a real plus."
Based on these comments, why would we pass on Geno if he was available at #8.
Ability to throw down the field, good arm strength, athletic, quick release, watching tape you know he can hit his wr in stride on the intermediate and short passes add in the fact that he's known to be a smart Qb and gym rat and I really can't see a legit argument to pass if he were sitting there @ #8.
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According to Bill Polian there is alot to like about Geno Smith! specifically his downfield accuracy and throwing ability. of course thats obvious to anyone who has watch smith play for the last 2 yrs. if hes available at #8 i have almost no doubt we will run up to the podium faster than in 2010. and we will look like geniuses when its all said and done.
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Would you call RG3 a slow learner too because after all he is Black also.
Actually, I do recall some ppl here questioning whether RG3 would be a good player because they questioned whether or not he could, "learn the playbook". Same has been associated with Geno Smith. Now I wonder why that is??
Besides, we all know the RG3 is a "cornball brotha" and isn't really "down with the cause" so his "blackness" is in question...
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Mario played OLB in Houston a few yrs ago, he had 5 sacks in 5 games before an injury ended his season. Mario can play OLB.
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Ole miss is Mississippi. For some odd reason, not many SEC qbs have found success in the NFL. Not sure why but its been that way for a while. For every peyton or eli there's a dozen SEC guys tthat struggle to make the scout team.
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some of the moves made by Nix and chan have been undersold. The drafting of spiller, promoting stevie and fred into primary roles, glenn in the 2nd rd. All great moves. has he made some blunders? yes but i think time will show over the next few yrs that Buddy has set us up for a very successful future
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"Redzone threat"? He has exactly ZERO touchdowns in his 4 years NFL career. 29 games. 29 catches. ZERO TDs
From a physical standpoint, one would assume that a guy 6'6 would be looked at in the red zone if he were on the field in those situations.
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Coming out of Cal-Poly he was a raw but talented prospect. Aside from the advantageous price tag, the fact that he has a few yrs tenured and has learned the subtleties off the game should be a boon to our WR group. It gives our QB that BIG downfield and crossing threat to pair with TJs straight line speed and Stevie as the premiere possession guy.
Fred Davis FA TE has dinner with Bills brass
in The Stadium Wall Archives
Posted
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/11282/fred-davis
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/10572/scott-chandler
For comparison's sake, here's their stats.