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I ordered a fix and it never came in, damn pay-pal

if Tom was on the defense team

yeah even though GZ says he spread TM's arms out to the side while he was on top of TM's back ( my guess is GZ says this to explain what he was actually doing which was looking for a gun on TM in the front of his pants)

I'm sure neither of us are going to change our minds but here are pictures from the Blaze http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/05/18/new-bloody-photos-details-more-of-george-zimmermans-injuries/ and a description of the injuries from the ME http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57592031-504083/george-zimmerman-trial-jacksonville-medical-examiner-says-zimmermans-injuries-from-altercation-were-insignificant/ after this we are going to have to agree to disagree.

http://www.hlntv.com/slideshow/2013/06/03/trayvon-martin-crime-scene-evidence-photos-george-zimmerman picture 9 and 11 - that is not what an azz-whooping looks like to me

I think we have improved talent at WR but will not likely get improved production - generally even future great WRs take a couple years to develop there are exceptions like Anquan Boldin who had a monster rookie year but I'd say the average is in the third season- some are even later bloomers as Reggie Wayne didn't have a 1000 yard until his 4th year and Andre Reed his 5th.

Of course it is a show trial - these trials are not brought to us in order of importance to our lives but on their perceived ability to attract viewers and they play to our prurient interests- SEX, CELEBRITY, RACE attracts viewers and media is a business, when you strip away commercials and fluff the nightly news has about 4 minutes of news and most of that is establishment propaganda- I find very little new that interests me on TV, interesting information can be found but I have to extract it from the web not let it wash over me from TV. As for TM I don't believe that he went 400-500 ft to his house and then came back- I'll give the events as I find most likely to have happened - and of course totally speculative and unprovable obviously but on PPP, well you know TM runs and turns down the dog walk and hides behind either the first or second little privacy fence on the right hand side (this is a fatal mistake as if he ran all the way home we'd be talking about the sequester or something) why does he hide instead of run? GZ is in a truck on a street that runs parallel to his route home and GZ has been on the his cell as he followed TM (we know he's talking to the police but in TM's mind a partner or partners of some kind). GZ about 10-12 seconds behind TM gets to the dog walk and doesn't see TM (TM had a dark grey sweat shirt but light kaki pants and white sneakers if he was going down the dog walk GZ would have likely seen him) GZ continues to the next street up and doesn't see TM, GZ takes some time scan and then to get his black flash light working but can't, GZ hangs up with police puts his cell away and gets out his key-chain flashlight GZ has his black flashlight in his left hand and Key-chain flashlight in his right hand GZ uses the flashlight to scan down the dog walk maybe moving back and forth along the Tee to get better angles, at some point GZ becomes aware of where TM is and at this point at the top of the Tee GZ drops his key-chain flashlight and gets his gun ready - I don't know if it's out but he has it ready- he already gave indication that he thinks TM may be armed "hand in waist band" (I think GZ's somewhat weird story about fumbling for his cell phone in his pants pocket not knowing it was in his jacket pocket was to give him cover if there were witnesses to this action) GZ starts towards TM's position yelling what are you doing around here, TM aware that he is found comes out and yells "why are you following me " GZ continues to close the distance and again yells "what are you doing here" I think that TM was aware that GZ had a gun - I think the first physical contact was TM swinging or throwing the can of Ice tea and connecting with GZ's face ( the scar near is nose looked like it was made by something circular to me) This is followed up by an immediate struggle for the gun or more accurately TM is doing everything he can to prevent being shot, it goes to ground where GZ gets cuts on the back of his head, TM is on top (no head slamming or MMA pound and ground) both GZ and TM are yelling for help (TM the high pitched wail type helps and oh **** where he probably losing control of GZ's right arm- GZ the lower pitched Help me Help me) GZ wins the struggle and shoots TM, TM probably say "you shot me" not "you got me" like some corny western and falls off to the side GZ goes over to TM and looks hard for a weapon which will make this cluster !@#$ look better neighbor comes over and GZ say" help me, help me restrain him" as he is already trying to shape the narrative and the rest is history

but I could easily get out my gun and shoot you because in the world of GZ supporters a mount is both impossible to get out of and and you will die but at the same time the person at the bottom can easily reach his gun pull it out and shoot, I mean the guy on bottom can easily pin your hand between his upper arm and side extend his arm at the elbow, grab his gun from the back of his hip pull it out and fire. I like GZ, he's kinda like a shmoo, all things to all people or at least some people, brave when he needs to be brave, craven when he needs to be craven , very watchful yet easy to sneak up on, shy of 17y/o TM yet bold enough to take on a real big tough guy (later discovered to be an under cover AFT agent) he has a terrible memory (can't remember one of three streets in his complex after living there 4 years and being the head of the neighborhood watch, also doesn't remember he has a gun on his hip) yet his memory can be remarkably detailed and versatile like when in a police interview he remembered staggering backwards when TM punches him in the face yet in the reenactment he remembers staggering forward 30 ft after realizing his previous statement is ridiculous given TM's body was found so far Back from the Tee. GZ has other remarkable traits his eyes only watch when he looks at people, other people stare when they look at him his words are always loving- Azzholes or !@#$ing punks are almost terms of endearment his hand are quick (able to grab his gun in a split second and fire) yet his feet are slow (unable to cover 40 feet in 3 minutes) his nose is very polite it refusing to stain the person punching it or holding it shut, it only bleeds when it needs to for pictures, his saliva and nasal fluids are similarly shy his bald head refuses to be slippery in the rain giving great traction for slamming and negates any slippage that may result in scratches and skin under the finger nails his skin refuses to bruise and his nose refuses to swell or blacken his eyes when broken in fact only the most extreme violence can leave the slightest mark (this lead to an awful childhood where he was often beaten and abused but never had a mark to prove it) really all I can say is GZ no George Zimmerman is a hell of guy.

relax farmboy not a challenge (I'm in my mid 50s with a bad back and heart problems also worked 10 years as part of a behavioral response team which took all the starch out of me and most of the cartilage) a scenario, I mean I know what you're are thinking (doesn't apply to me I'm so quick and strong and know how to wrestle I'd clean someones clock so fast no way a person could pull a gun on me) or (I'm not wandering around where I shouldn't be so of course there would be witnesses to prove that the other guy started it) or ( I'm not a black thug who starts **** I'm a farmboy who works hard and minds my own business if I was ever shot everybody would know it's not in my nature to start ****) or (I'm already conceal carrying so if anyone is getting shot it ain't going to be me) - I guest it's just unfortunate that some don't have those life circumstances - just consider some unintended consequences from Florida stand your ground laws http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/florida-stand-your-ground-law-yields-some-shocking-outcomes-depending-on/1233133

which would make you safer with an suspect lying face first on the ground - backing up a few feet holding your gun on him or reengaging the suspect on the ground? obviously no matter what GZ did he gets a pass with you- with this logic I could see farmboy on the road, tell him his cows are ungainly and give lumpy sour milk-start a physical altercation and when he started kicking my azz shot him with a concealed weapon - first we in court prove that farmboys are country strong then pull up a selection of his PPP posts and I'd go scott free.

I've only watch the case on and off the last few day - did they emphasis it, because TM was lying face down with a bullet in his chest and GZ is not a cop he doesn't have the right to detain or restrain, his life is not at risk at this point.

Ladies of the jury although it seems impossible to me that just turned 17 158Lbs TM posed a life and death threat to 28y/o 194lbs MMA trained GZ such that he had to shoot TM, lets say for sake of argument that it is true but what possible threat could a shot lying face down TM present to GZ who is holding a gun such that he had to get on TMs back and hold him down, spread his arms, a boy who's lungs are filling with blood gasping for air now with the extra burden of 194lbs on his back , TM trying to hold on a few more seconds for help to arrive but with 194lbs GZ crushing the last gasp of life out his body. Game,Set,Match

starting around 13:00

If I was the prosecution I might have charged it wasn't the shot that killed TM it was GZ holding down TM after the shot that made it impossible for paramedics to rescue TM.

So do you think the sign is a protest that the sentence "creepy Azz cracker" is racist or just a description of the holder of the sign?

So four you're saying, you and three friends (meaning you and three of your ilk)

I'm not very Impressed by the Prosecution, I think I could have gone over the evidence about a week and put forth a better case without so much TM was a child stuff.

I wonder if the NSA has the call between TM and Jeantel recorded

Missed the defense, prosecution pretty bad not a good grasp of the evidence for example says GZ had two minutes to get back to his car but in reality according what GZ said at his police interview it was closer to 3 minutes GZ call to police dispatch non emergency 7:09: 34 start 7:11:41 GZ "**** he's running" 7:11:45 out of Truck 7:11:48 Truck door slam 7:11:54 GZ running/jogging/walking briskly starts 7:11:56 GZ"!@#$ing punks" 7:11:57- 7:12:02 PD "are you following him?" GZ "yeah" PD "ok we don't need you to do that" GZ "ok" 7:12:11 GZ "he ran" 7:12:15 GZ running/jogging/walking briskly ends 7:12:46 at this point according to GZ statement to police he's walking back to his truck 7:13:39 end TM last call Jeantel 7:12:06 start 7:15:43 end

Byrd was better at his position than Mario was at his position last year but I value DE over FS by quite a bit so Mario

Maybe that's my problem , I'm a few inches taller than GZ and at 28 somewhere between 185lbs and 195lbs so about the same weight as GZ and I just can imagine my 28 y/o ass getting kicked like that byTM, maybe now in my mid fifties bad back and heart problems I'd be in trouble but at 28 no !@#$ing way- I don't know but it seems to me that a lot of people here either have never been in a serious fight or think blacks are masters of getto-fu or have superhuman hip-hop strength.

my Heritage is English and Scotch German which makes me about as white as you can get (disregarding 1/64th or 1/128th of Redskin blood my grandfather shamefully confessed on his death bed) and I think GZ's account of things is rife with inconsistencies.

absolutely right if if IF you believe GZ's account My odds conviction of 2nd degree murder 300 to 1 against (2nd degree murder sounded like a bridge too far from the beginning - given the burden of proof requirements for self-defense in Florida and the prosecution's requirement to prove a depraved mind beyond a reasonable doubt it could be a trillion to 1 but since there are a number of people convicted who are later proved innocent you have to give it chance as there has been somehow enough evidence against innocent people at other times to convince a jury to find them guilty beyond a reasonable doubt) conviction of manslaughter 4 to 1 against result of the verdict changing anyone's mind either way 1,000,000 to 1 (much like the OJ Simpson case) Civil law suit - not sure what Florida law says about Civil suits in regards of Stand your ground (I think there is at least one state where you are immune) but if a civil law suit is brought I give TM's family a 90% chance of winning. Oh and for everyone who has no doubt about GZ's account of things try this, put your gun on your hip and pin anything to your side with your arm (how GZ described pinning TM's hand) then reach and draw your gun by flexing at the elbow- forget about being straddled if GZ could get to his gun the way he described then he's a freak of nature.

Phone calls Timeline GZ call to police dispatch non emergency 7:09: 34 start 7:11:45 out of car 7:13:40 end TM last call Jeantel 7:12:06 start 7:15:43 end Neighbor's call 911 7:16: 11 start 7:16: 55 gunshot