birdog1960
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North Carolina and other states have preemptively moved forward in creating these kinds of bills to head off the federal government’s redefining gender.But it’s too late. The fact is, at any point, the government can simply announce that a man can choose to be a woman and vice versa.This announcement would then compel everyone in the country to accept this reality. Yet there is currently no federal definition of what transgender is, other than self-identification, which can mean anything.Vanita Gupta, head of the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division, says: “Transgender men are men. . . . Transgender women are women.”So sayeth Gupta, so say us all — or else.And now, 323 million people must adhere to the Obama administration’s relativistic notions of nature and gender.
yes, because those publicly birth gender heterosexuals that are insecure in their gender feel threatened by the 1 in 7000-40000 that are publicly uncertain of their birth gender assignment or certain that it's incorrect. there's really no other material threat to society. how many transgender guys do you think are peeing in the ladies at bills games? have you ever heard a complaint?
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I don't doubt NC's convictions can be bought for the amount of money the federal government is withholding.
I also don't doubt that the feds will withhold the money no matter how many lawsuits NC might win.
yeah. I don't see a proble,m with them funding their own hs football and doing away with cheerleading. some nc voters might however.
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Progressives have no use for your otherwise obvious and simple solution because they bring up ridiculous topics like this for one of two reasons: to either (a) create strife so the world is arguing about something stupid to distract them from the misery of the past seven years, or (b) to create a way to launder money to the DNC.
With something like Black Lives Matter, they rile up people to form a group that the local governments can fund it so much of that money can get laundered into election campaigns for local progressives.
With something like this, you're not going to get the bathroom lobby to launder money for you, so it's better to use the topic to create strife...particularly in an election year, when people should be discussing the future of the country, not the bathroom habits of about a dozen people.
'Intellectuals' like birdog miss this point because they're simply not smart enough to understand what this is really all about.
it's a fight the nc repugs should have avoided. they are the ones trying to win a symbolic victory over an opponent that can hold their allowance. we'll see how strong their convictions are.
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Actually, that link basically says that all the estimates are garbage, for various reasons. But given that those studies uniformly use as a measure of "transgendered" "someone who has undergone preparation for surgical or hormonal gender reassignment," the estimates are probably very low (since that definition requires both a willingness to "self-report," essentially, and means to pursue gender reassignment; and since the number of people who undergo gender reassignment is undoubtedly a subset of the number of people with GID.)
And they're not applicable in this case, since the administration's position is that "transgendered" isn't determined by "pursuing gender reassignment therapy," but determined by whatever the person happens to claim. That's the true stupidity of the administration's position, and the true strength of North Carolina's: NC's law specifies a legal basis for determination which, while impractical (no one's checking birth certificates at the bathroom door), is at least theoretically verifiable and objective. Whereas the administration's touchy-feely position of "whatever the person claims to feel" is a legal nightmare waiting to happen - and doubly so in a high school environment where people are immature, !@#$s, and more likely to "experiment" or be "gender fluid."
not so. there were 6 studies cited. one used gender dysphoria as an inclusion criteria for transgenderism. the other studies varied. they were all pretty large ratios. it's not even a meta analysis spo it's not great science but it looks like the prevalence is not all that high even with the definition being "gender dysphoria".
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Just provide private bathrooms and showers for transgender who have not had surgery and want to cross the line. There cannot be that many.
Respect the privacy of 99% , this is just common sense.
give em access to the faculty bathroom. problem solved.
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I wonder if this rule applies to private and charter schools ? I can see more home schooling.
I would favor funding for private bathrooms and showers for transgender who have not had the surgical transition. JMO
just how prevalent are transgender students? 1/500. 1/1000? honestly don't know but there would seem to be a reasonable threshold in order to justify the cost of that. wouldn't surprise me if some home schoolers tried to cash in however and get a bathroom remodel out of it.
edit: hmmm, prevalence is still an open question but looks like it's in the 1/15000-20,000 range for both sexes combined. https://tgmentalhealth.com/2010/03/31/the-prevalence-of-transgenderism/ sending them, if agreeable, to the same school, and having a separate transgender locker room with toilets in these schools would seem the better solution. bottom line however is that this is seldom going to be a practical proble. how many students does the avg hs have? given these numbers there's prob 1 student for every 5 school or more.
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Which States Are Givers and Which Are Takers?very informative graph which states are most dependent on Federal gov funding''On the other side of this group, folks in 14 states, including Delaware, Minnesota, Illinois, Nebraska, and Ohio, get back less than $1 for each $1 they spend in taxes.''Florida is #3 getting back $4.50 for every $1. No state income tax umm
yup. all those damn Yankees supporting all those independent minded, statist southerners. just what you'd expect.
It’s Not About Bathrooms Anymore
by Alexander Guin
By now, most Americans have heard about North Carolina House Bill 2. The new law has dominated the media landscape for several weeks, but only in the past few days has the real issue come into focus.
In almost every article, news report, and blog post covering the new law, the officially named “Public Facilities Privacy and Security Act” is referred to as North Carolina’s “controversial bathroom bill.”
Let me assure you that, among everyday North Carolinians, there is no controversy. Recent Civitas Institute polling indicates most people are aware of the law (85 percent) and an overwhelming majority (69 percent) believe that the Charlotte City Council ordinance HB2 overturned was unreasonable and unsafe.
The media have sparked a firestorm and fed the flames with stories about bathroom assaults against transgendered individuals and about tearful students claiming oppression, but only a handful of politicians and public policy organizations give the law even a second thought. Yet despite such widespread public support of HB2, groups such as the Human Rights Campaign and North Carolina’s Attorney General, Roy Cooper, have successfully pressured multi-national corporations and the federal government to try to coerce, shame, and bully North Carolina into repealing the bill.
All that aside, as of May 3, some high-minded libertarians and centrist Republicans bemoaning the prolonged discussion of something as banal as where people can relieve themselves and change clothes were able to breathe their own sighs of relief.
The moment Loretta Lynch threatened to withhold Title VII and Title IX funding from North Carolina unless Gov. Pat McCrory and the legislature agreed to cry “uncle” and publicly declare that HB2 is discriminatory, the discussion ceased to be about bathrooms.
We now find ourselves not in a debate about bathrooms but in one about the relationship between the federal government and the states.
The question is: How far are McCrory and legislators willing to go to stand up for North Carolina’s sovereignty? How hard are they willing to fight in order to maintain control over a state-level question with a state-level answer? Transgender rights are not mentioned even in the “emanations of the penumbra” of the U.S. Constitution and are thus left to the states, the laboratories of democracy, to decide.
The hitch is that North Carolina depends on the federal government for nearly half of its annual budget. The $22 billion sum that the feds are threatening is part of an overall state budget closer to $55 billion. This new threat just brings to the forefront a danger that has always lurked in money Washington sends to the states.
Every dollar North Carolina receives from the federal government comes with strings attached. We’ll leave the cost of compliance aside for the time being, but the policy outcomes of accepting federal grants can be devastating. To pick just one example, in 2009, when North Carolina was flat on its back during the recession, bureaucrats in the NC Department of Public Instruction accepted $400 million in federal Race to the Top Grants. The stipulation for accepting the grants, however, was that North Carolina must implement the Common Core curriculum. The results have been disastrous.
The results of backing down from this fight would also be disastrous. This time, however, the physical safety and emotional comfort of vulnerable people is at stake.
Loretta Lynch has perpetrated an unadulterated abuse of federal power, pure and simple. Now it’s time for North Carolina to stand up and defend our sovereignty and protect women and children.
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if this works out maybe we can tackle states refusal to expand Medicaid next.
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Because without it the DNC would cease to exist.
because strip tease is a bit too obvious and not as socially acceptable - shake those pom poms girls! why do mothers think this is a good thing to encourage?
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oh yeah, and cheerleading. they shouldn't be involved in cheerleading. actually, I don't know why anyone is involved in cheerleading.
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Don't you mean the golden shower rule?
Can you name a single issue which you believe the feds should not control? And if they do control everything can we still call them feds and have it be correct?
yes. hs football. they shouldn't be involved in hs football. on the other hand, they should be prosecuting anti trust laws against the nfl.
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Does it strike you as odd or wrong that the fate of a HS football team which depends on the federal government is being tied directly to whether or not unrelated private businesses accommodate .02% of the population by allowing them to use the wrong bathroom?
nope. if it's that minor of an issue (and it is) then the state should blink, not the feds. it's the golden rule
the bigger question is why should the federal gov be paying for hs football. the same people complaining about this are likely the one comlaining about funding for npr, pbs and the arts. but hs football is ok. in fact, to question funding it is utterly ridiculous, right?.
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Does it strike you as odd or wrong that the fate of the funding for a high school football team or cheerleading squad or trip to a local museum should be at the mercy of......THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT?
nope. there's a simple solution: nc can pay for it all through state tax dollars. independence means paying your own way. did your daddy ever tell you "while your under my roof..." from a cursory review of fed taxes, it appears nc gets about $3k per capita more in fed assist than it pays in taxes (likely a significant amount of the subsidy coming from :"damn yaNKEES"). I suspect if you remove that 3K per person those sports and pleasantries don't get paid for.
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Don't have link just saw it on new at gym...
Now claiming I'd funding by fed is cut off schools here could lose extra curricular sports and events. Showing football, band, basketball, cheerleaders and field trips to places like the science museum.
Wow NBC is having fun with it here. The story prior was that NC reisdnets support the bill despite gov rating going down.
Mixed messages... !@#$ing joke
sure. feds get out of my business. oh wait....
kinda like the seniors who berate government healthcare while spending much more than they ever put in through medicare.
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There shouldn't be a law about it...but the simple fact that DoJ considers it a Title IX violation worth major penalties illustrates the need for the law.
as I've said it's a proxy battle in the culture war. but when you are outgunned, it's unwise to fire the first shot.
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The one and only Alicia Colon...................................(of course she's not a NC hick, but.....you know)
North Carolina´s cojonesJewish World Review, by Alicia Colon
Original Article
For the past eight years, common sense has disappeared from the political spectrum with nonsensical executive orders and the machinations of the closet fascists in office. The federal government interfering in states’ rights has become routine but there are signs that state resistance to the bullying will hopefully be a harbinger of welcome change. The great state of North Carolina is flexing the might of principle against a hostile Department of Justice. It has filed a lawsuit against the DOJ for threatening to withdraw funding to the state over its common sense law concerning privacy in restrooms.The mere fact that North Carolina had to pass a law declaring that persons must only use the public bathrooms for the gender they were born with is a testament to the tyranny of a very powerful minority aka the LGBT political bloc.{snip}As usual, the PC brigade has distorted and used propaganda to make what is a non-issue a case of hatred and discrimination against trans-genders that simply doesn’t exist.Does the new legislation advocate discrimination against anyone in their pursuit of jobs, housing, medical care? No.What it does do is protect the right of women to privacy in public restrooms and showers. We bring our young children into these areas to keep them safe. What the government is insisting is quite the opposite.More at the link:have you seen the writer's pic? i'm wondering what bathroom would be appropriate.... -
so the article said more than half say you should use your bathroom of birth yet there is a poll saying 38% support the bill. Me thinks the poll was not accurate and the question and bill no understood.
God damn youre a dense man
Can I tinkle next to your niece?
see, there's this problem with subtlety rearing its ugly head again. might it be that some people believe that you should use yyour bathroom of birth but simultaneously believe that there needn't be a law about it?
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glad we country bumpkins can be educated by you smart college folks.
Can i take a shower w your wife?
wait? Its a republican battle? How so? We in NC vote. We had a law passed biparti bipartisan. Now the left decries it an issue? Wait. Huh?
Can I watch your mom take a deuce?
seems the bumpkins are the minority in your state. from the pbs article I linked:
ROBEN FARZAD: North Carolinians have mixed views on HB2; 38 percent support it in general, but more than half believe people should use the bathroom of their birth.
It boggles the mind that you consider yourself an intellectual.
I can't imagine it takes much to boggle your mind. anything the least bit nebulous or gray is likely to do that. thinking in black and white is your forte'
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You're probably one of those people who equates the NC law to Jim Crow laws, right?
i'm not equating it to anything. it's a stupid law with no or minimal practical effect. it's a culture battle in a culture war being fought by the far right in a state chosen by their elites (read the Koch's). the education issue is part of the same proxy war. too bad that in the short term regular folks that work in places like furniture factories will pay a price for this war.
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Of course it is, this is a play to the base culture issue.
yes. and nc is the proxy battleground. it's a shame that most nc residents don't realize that they've become, by way of yttheir pols, a cultural vietnam.
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I am curious what you think the solution to this problem is. The trend is no longer about a man dressed as a woman. This goes far beyond that, and into the realm of self identification or even non binary (neither male or female).
There are legitimate privacy concerns especially in terms of locker rooms where one may not wish to be seen by someone of the opposite sex no matter what they identify as. Similarly they do not wish to see a member of the opposite sex undress in front of them. I have seen no serious suggestions on how to resolve this besides "get over it you bigot, why do you care who is in the bathroom with you" which is hilarious because they don't care about your comfort in these areas but the comfort of Trans people is paramount! "we would never want to make someone who identifies as a female use the men's room with other men, that would be yucky and a privacy issue for said Trans person!"
Why do we currently have separate bathrooms if this privacy means nothing?
this law doesn't practically address any of these concerns. it's largely unenforceable. how would law enforcement enact it? post sentries at all public restrooms and locker rooms? ridiculous...molestation and sexual harassment is already illegal. many of the scenarios put forth as practical concerns are covered by existing laws.
that's the most wasteful aspect of this. all this burnt goodwill and business dollars to make a symbolic, discriminatory and mean spirited point. don't they have anything better to do? you know like create jobs and opportunities, build infrastructure, feed the hungry, educate the uneducated, care for the sick...
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vendors? paypal can administer and run their company from anywhere (except nc).. there's no vacuum. there's a global market and global facility and incentive opportunities. same for the pharma company that pulled out. same with lionsgate movie making locations or the choice of venue for the nba all star game. and more will likely follow. it's tougher to recruit top talent especially in highly technical and advanced degree requiring fields to jobs in a state perceived as backwards. employers in these fields are cognizant of this.
the only vacuum in this story is the huge potential pile of money being sucked up away from nc.
now we can add furniture dollars to the hoover bag. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/how-north-carolinas-bathroom-law-sparked-a-business-backlash/.
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Where there is demand, supply will flow.
so you mean that where there's a demand for jobs, companies will follow and fill the void? i can cite almost endless examples where that hasn't happened. care to try again?
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After the false flag corporate questions, perhaps you could refer back to Post 114 ?
I'll make it easy for you.......
Certainly the fact that these "anti-intellectuals" had the same privacy laws as almost every other state should speak to your NC bashing
also:
Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg :
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this law is unique to nc. is the federal gov't suing any other state over a similar law? why the nc pols felt it justified is irrelevant. the bill is what it is and that undesirable and distasteful to many.
ruth bader ginsgerg's general opinion on privacy in the distant past doesn't specifically relate to this bill. your implication that "some situations" include the situations presented in the bill is unsupported by her statement. perhaps we will se =e how she comes down if this goes in front of the supremes. i'd bet on her judging to strike down the bill. in any event, she's one justice. she is not the sole arbiter of any legal question.
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More than enough business will flow to the state, or expand within the state, to make up the difference.
and you base this on what exactly?
North Carolina GOP Block Gay Anti-Discrimintion Law
in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
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yes, because most rapists aren't toothless, deliverance types, untouchable testosterone laden jocks or famous political family's med school heroes but rather transexual men wearing lingerie. they're the ones that strike fear into every human without a y chromosome.