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Yeah this thread needs to be closed. I actually felt sorry for the guy when I first started reading this post and wondered why were people being so hard on him. The more I read, the more I understood. This guy might want to consider not posting.
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With the way that Gailey has designed this offense, the Bills, as a team, will go as far as Fitz will take them. And if you are a Bills fan, that's scary!
There needs to be more balance on offense, more emphasis on the run, more creative play calling.
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If Gailey goes I want Perry Fewell back as head coach.
That's funny!!
What's interesting about Gailey is that he hasn't been on the hot season and this is his contract year and no one seems concerned about it.
If the team wins below 6 games he and the stache are all gone. And I am not so sure if this team can win more than 6 games.
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Fun thread. I'll play:
I'm 35, and live about 40 minutes away from Gillette Stadium in Foxboro, MA. I grew up in New England, but they were an awful team in the 80's when I discovered football and were never on TV. My father, a life-long die-hard Patriots fan, had similar reservations to many of you here today about raising me as a fan of an entrenched loser with terrible ownership and a legacy of failure, so he let me go my own way (Except in 85'. That year I was forced to wear a John Hannah jersey every Sunday for the last 6 games of the season. To this day noone is allowed to speak ill of Steve Grogan in his presence.), and by the time 1988 rolled around I was an entrenched Bills fan.
Fast forward to today.
<cue "Cats in the Cradle" by Harry Chapin>
I have become my father. My heart and soul are held prisoner by a franchise marred by a legacy of failure and ineptitude. Our stadium looks like it a discarded pile of concrete from 1970's era East Germany. Our owner is out of touch with his fan base, and sees his franchise not as the lifeblood and legacy of his community, but as a slow and steady stream of income. Our roster, long past it's glory days, seems like an endless parade of "has been's", "never will be's", and "who the !@#$ is he's". My Sunday ritual osilates between displays of incredulous anger and apathetic malaise. My recliner is my Titanic, and Ralph Wilson is the captian.
My children, however, will not be like me. I am breaking the cycle. They are being raised as Bills fans, and when our version of Robert Kraft steps through that door, and turns the tide, my children and I will celebrate our victories together. Had my Dad stuck to his guns and raised me a Pats fan, today I'd be an incredible douchebag, but my father would know what it was like to celebrate a Super Bowl victory with his son.
not too far from you.
about 30 minutes from the razor and 37. Been a Bills fan since I was 15.
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1. Sign them both
2. Byrd is a very good tackler
3. Byrd's ball skills are overrated - many of his INT's have been horrible overthrows - but he seems to catch most of what comes his way. My definition of ball skills is diagnosing a route early, taking the correct angle to the play, and knowing when to jump a route. I've seen some of that with little to no pass rush. Looking forward to seeing what he does with a pass rush.
4. Searcy is SS
5. Levitre though just a guard is terribly more important to this team than a FS even in a passing league. He has a rookie to his left and a guy with a bum knee to his right.
6. They have the room and money to sign them both before the season opener. Sign them now and get a little bit of an early bird discount. If can only get one to sign then franchise the other.
Great post. Agree 100%
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Great posts and great points. To the few who refuse to play the game. Of course we want to keep both players provided it doesn't put our Bills in a bad position. We also know that the Bills have the cap space to keep both. But just because they have the cap space doesn't mean that they will sign both. It's been a while since the bills have had this level of talent on their roster. And when teams get to this point with talent on their roster, they start letting good players go.
The whole point of the thread is this. IF you could only sign one next year. Which one would it be and why. So far it seems Levitre is getting more support.
Personally I am not sure that Byrd is the best safety on our roster MUCH LESS a potential top safety in this league. At this point in time, with all due respect to Eric Wood, I regard Levitre as our best lineman. Wood might have the slight edge in talent but durability and versatility matters. I don't think Levitre will ever make a pro bowl but I still regard him as a very good guard in this league (Top 7).
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Let's say you are Buddy Nix and you only have the option to keep Byrd or Levitre. Which one would you keep and why?
I regard Levitre as a slightly higher rated guard than I would rate Byrd as a safety. I regard Levitre as being able to play all offensive line spots whereas Byrd only FS not SS. I think that if we lost Byrd, lining Wilson at FS and Searcy at SS would be more effective than plugging in Rienhart at LG if we lost Levitre.
So needless to say, my vote would be for Levitre. What about you?
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If the original poster though Young looked awful all preseason, what in the hell does he think about Fitzpatrick this preseason???????
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well we have a few guys that can play middle. Shep. Barnett (played most of his career there) and maybe morrison. Outside LB is where we are thin. Our depth are Moats and some rookies. If we can stay healthy there we'll be fine but if guys get injured, that's when I'll start to worry. Tank might be someone who can provide solid depth as the season progresses.
And to the other poster, thanks for clarifying things on Merriman; makes sense.
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Sheppard is banged up. Maybe the reason Moats is getting OLB reps is because they have to move Morrison on the inside?
Another thought, why isn't Merriman playing OLB anymore? I know he is old blah blah blah but isn't it about putting your best 7 on the football field?
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Excellent contribution. Thanks for sharing. I found the WR battle (or lack thereof) very interesting. I wonder who has the leg up on that 4th wideout spot? Probably Hagan.
Finally made it out to my first ever training camp practice and I must say, its hard to figure out what to pay attention to. On one side the WR and DB's are going at it, on the other side the d-line and o-line are thumping eachother, just a lot to watch for sure.
Without breaking down specific plays, here are my impressions on some players:
Kyle Williams - He looks 100% - He is quick off the ball, and is going full go in line drills and 11 on 11. He is like a bowling ball (or meatball) as my wife put it. Looks like last year really is behind him.
Dareus - absolute beast. In line drills and 11 on 11 - the middle of the oline was caving in. Forget about a qb stepping up, Dareus and Williams were just collapsing everying.
Mario - Big dude. He Doesn't look 300 lbs in person because there is no softness to him anywhere....which is all the more impressive to consider what an athlete is. He has all the moves you would want - quick speed move, spin move, saw him on a nice stunt, and one time he bull rushed Sam Young straight back.
Mark Anderson - Quick off the snap - looks like the kind of player we were hoping Maybin would be.
WR group in general - it certainly looks like Donald Jones is the top candidtate for the #2 spot. He looked good in practice, made a few nice grabs. After that, I didn't notice anyone really distinguishing themselves. Kamar Aiken had a few nice moments, as did Derek Hagan. Marcus Easley was practically invisible out there yesterday.
LT - the battle between Hairston and Glenn also looks pretty even at this point. Both are big dudes, and both had their share of issues with the D-line yesterday. They were rotating pretty evenly in drills and honestly, 77 and 75 look interchangeable at this point.
Vince Young also looks much better than Thigpen. From what I saw yesterday and from other reports, I hope Thigpen was good with the money he has made in the NFL up until now because it doesn't look like many more game checks are in his future. With that said, Fitz has nothing to worry about with VY challenging him whatsoever either. #14 is far and away the #1 QB on the roster.
If I had to bet who would be the first one cut this year, my money is on #68 G Keith Williams - maybe he just had a bad day or who knows, but he would have been better off just falling to the ground and hoping the D-line would trip over him. He was getting absolutely abused out there.
#54 Kyle Moore was getting a lot of Reps with guys who will make the team. He didn't look out of place, might be a guy to watch, the coaches seem to like him.
John Potter has a BIG leg. He and Lindell were booming some from 55 during practice, Lindell's would go over with a little to spare, Potters were bouncing in the VIP tent area behind the field.
DB's - Gilmore is legit. He has very good speed, and he has that style where he is just draped on the wideouts. None of that 10 yard cushion crap - either bump and run or very small cushion. he likes to get his hands on the WR's and dictate the play to them. He had a nice INT on a go route to I believe it was TJ Graham. He is a stud. I'm not as enamored with Aaron Williams as many people seem to be. He is pretty good, but to me, he looks like another Drayton Florence out there. Good enough, but nothing that looks to scare Qb's into leaving him alone.
Overall, the D-line just dominated everything. In 11 on 11, in unit drills, everything. Perhaps Eric Wood in the middle would have changed some of that, but there literally was just a wave of blue moving line backwards on almost every snap.
Overall it was a fun day, a nice experience, and a good excuse to go get a rack of ribs at the Dino BBQ!
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Don't be so quick throw Donald Jones under the bus. Last year was his first year as a starter and his second in the league. Compare his stats with Stevie's over their first two years and you might be surprised. Is he the next Stevie......no but there is no reason that he won't improve. Given the Bill's spread attack, the #2 spot isn't as big as people are making it out to be. Someone with speed who can keep a safety honest is really important. I do agree that the Bill's will keep 6 plus Smith. And by the way, the poster who described Roosevelt as having speed is way off. He is slow. The six will be:
1) Johnson
2) Jones
3) Nelson
4) Hagan
5) Graham
6) Easley vs Clowney (will battle for the last spot)
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I never want to see Byrd on an interview again. I'd rather see a Bill with a more colorful personality.
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It's some highlights of the Denver game and focuses on Dareus on and off the field. I love how Florence was talking some smack with him at the end.
This was great to see. Thanks for posting. I've always been big on Dareus and I think even with Super Mario, he'll be our best defensive player next year and years to come. Reminds me of Warren Sapp.
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Graham won't start this year. He is raw. Nelson is a slot and is too slow to be starting receiver in the nfl. Easley, Hagan or Jones will battle it out. Jones might have failed to impress last year but it was his first year as a starter and he's very early in his career. Easley showed flashes in pre season and no one knows exactly what he will bring. Hagan did a solid job when he was given the opportunity.
Either one of those three can be serviceable but my hope is that Easley takes this job and runs with it.
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I know I'll get flamed for this, but I think Derek Hagan is going to start until Marcus Easley is ready. If he can stay healthy, he's the #2.
Let's put it this way. If I had to pick a #2 not including Easley it would be Hagan. He has good speed and he was the 3rd best receiver on the team last year imo. I think it comes down between Hagan and Easley for #2. Graham is way too raw. He'll be the 4th receiver and 3rd receiver in certain packages.
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The bills have played a modified version of this a lot in the past under Cotrell. They run a 50 out of the 34. Basically the 2 OLB are on the line setting the edge and the traditional DE's play over the guards and the NT over the center. I don't see the need for it in this pass happy league.
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In order
1) Thurman Thomas (Best player we've had since I've been a fan)
2) Jim Kelly (The leader during the glory years)
3) Bruce Smith (How many times did he get that sack on 3rd down when we really needed it)
4) Eric Moulds (A prototype receiver who would have been a hof on a different team)
5) Antoine Winfield (Tackling machine with very good cover skills and tremendous heart)
Least Favorite In Order
1) Ledois Mckelvin (Bone head play after bone head play; still steaming over that fumble to the Patriots)
2) Lee Evans (good one dimensional player but complained way too much)
3) Whoever played corner back opposite Nate Odoms (Nothing but bums opposite him)
4) Mike Mularkey (quit on us. And you were not as good as advertised)
5) Tom Donahoe (whatever you did to old man Ralph, sent us to a decade of cheap spending and marketing guys running the team)
Favorite Current bills
1) Stevie Johnson - The only reason why we even get mentioned on Espn or nfl net. Plus a very solid #1 receiver
2) Marcel Dareus - The best defensive football player we have
3) George Wilson - In spirts he showed game changing elite level safety play on par with any of the current greats. Hard to believe he was a bench warming wideout.
4) Ryan Fitzpatrick - I like the swag, the beard and has the best nickname in the biz "The Omish Riffle"
5) Chan Gailey - A breath of fresh air after the other goons we had. Seeing him with those glasses holding that sheet calling out plays makes me feel that we are headed in the right direction. I just hope we diversify from all the short stuff and I hope we establish the run a little more out of 2 back sets.
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Are the Redskins good enough to waste a pick around 100 on a guy who won't play?
I agree with that. They aren't good enough to waste a pick on another QB.
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The one weakest is TE. No depth at all outside of Chandler. And Chandler isn't a complete TE. 2nd I'd say backup QB. If Fitz goes down or slumps, we have no viable option.
Unless Thigpen shows the stuff he did in K.C.
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1 -- The importance of a Left Tackle is highly exaggerated by fans and media. NFL coaches will often refer to "tackles" being important. Not just the left tackle. It wasn't until the mid 90's that the Left Tackle position became glorified and sought over exclusively. The LT is seen as more important because he protects the majority of QB's blindside, and as a result many of the better defensive athletes start their DE career at RDE (from college up to pro).
As far as skill set goes, a good LT is presumed to have good footwork. Their backpedal is smooth, their stance is wide but strong, and they are able to chop their feet and swivel their hips in an arc like motion while maintaining upper body strength and a strong platform with their legs. However, a good RT has much of the same attributes. A large arm span is also a notable attribute, as it is reasonable to assume that the larger your arm span, the longer your arms are. With the long arms and a strong upper body, you can "chuck" and keep the defender further away from your body and therefore further away from your QB.
2 -- Levitre's arm span is 32.5 inches.
3 -- N/A
4 -- OLB's is a 3-4 are glorified DE's. In fact, if you look at an ALL-22 field camera for a majority of 3-4 plays, you will notice that the OLB's are in nearly the same position and stance as a 4-3 DE.
5 -- A good backup player is a player with the skill set and drive to play at a level that is reasonably sufficient to the demands of the team for that particular position. A good backup does not have to play similarly in style or level to the starter. He simply has to play at a level that gives the team a reasonable chance to win a game without the starter in play.
Great post. I learned alot. Great thread also. Many of the questions I wondered about but never thought of asking.
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I am just shocked people are making this much uproar over a 4th round draft pick.
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How exactly is Cousins going to improve his value on that team over the next 2-3 years? Showing how well he holds a clipboard? He doesn't even have a veteran starter to learn under.
I think you argue just to argue -- when you're a team that just came off a 5-11 season, you don't (or shouldn't) have the luxury of taking a "value pick" at a position you don't need, rather than continuing to fill holes on your roster.
To my original point -- what has Shanahan done to suggest he would have been the better choice in Buffalo, and which of these two teams is in a better position to become very good, soon?
Do you know what Matt Schaub, Rob Johnson, Matt Flynn, Matt Cassell, Kevin Kolb, etc etc all have in common? They WERE backups to established
quarterbacks that ended up being a starter elsewhere and given a big contract. Kirk Cousins will follow the same path.
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Does anyone know what Moreman's contract was years and dollars? It's not like he was a bad punter. And if they had to pay his salary anyway, I just don't understand