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Is it the OC and HC that didn't throw to Hardy, or was it the QB that didn't?
How dare you imply that it's possible other problems may exist on this team other than coaching. Don't you know that most coachs would have had this team playing in the playoffs? It's obvious that Jauron and Turk simply brushed aside his redzone talent and said no thanks. Maybe they drafted him as a career decoy. At the same time I'm starting to wonder if anything past ten yards downfield was a coaching staff decoy. They need to tell Trent to at least look downfield to give it any hope of working though.
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Agreed with some of what you said but Stroud is not a 3-4 nose tackle. He'd actually be a pretty good 3-4 end a la Richard Seymour. If the Bills were to switch schemes, they'd be best served drafting B.J. Raji or getting a true nose tackle somewhere.
I have heard that before about Stroud. You could be right. I was just playing around with combinations. I don't know why he couldn't be a 3-4 NT. Is it his body or ability? B.J. Raji would be the a great start.
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The fans take the Steelers for granted. If you look among the younger generation especially (middle school-high school age), most of those kids are more Penguins fans than Steelers fans, probably because the Steelers winning Super Bowls is now a given.
Our long wait will make the first one so much sweeter!
I would be shocked if this was true. I would guess that regardless of age the Steelers crush the Penguins in popularity. I know Crosby has an enormous effect on jersey sales but it can't be that big. Can it? I don't know but that would really suprise me. I'm not a hockey fan but didn't the Penguins have a scare of moving awhile back? I suppose Lebron is doing it in Cleveland.
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You mean the first 4 games where he never once threw for more than 1 TD in any game? You mean the Rams game and Raiders game where he had an 80 and 81 passer rating?
Why do you Trent lovers put those 4 games out there as some amazing performance and then also ignore the rest of the year too?
Trent Facts to kill the MYTHS:
1. Only passed for MORE than 1 TD ONCE in 2008 and it was against one of the absolute worst D's in the league in KC and he thrwe a whopping 2 TD's. On top of that he has only passed for more than 1 TD 3 times in his 24 game career...in fact, he has more games with ZERO TD's than he does with more than 1...
2. Passed for LESS than 200 yards 6 times in 08, and thats not counting the AZ game as he got hurt on first drive...in his career he has only passed for more than 200 yards 8 times in 24 games...
3. NEVER passed for over 300 yards EVER in his ENTIRE career...
4. Struggled in 2008 to get wins against Oak, St. Louis, and Jax (3 of our 7 wins) which were bottom feeders in the NFL and took late game come backs once those teams stopped bringing pressure. 2 of those wins the Bills were bailed out by other players, not Trent, yet Trent gets the credit...
5. He had a four game stretch agaisnt Cle, Mia, Jets, and NE where his QB rating was 50, 67, 79, and 49 respectively including 8 INT's and 5 fumbles to only 3 TD's...so if you are going to put so MUCH emphasis on the first 4 games (where he only had 2 decent games, and none were great) why do you choose to ignore this 4 game stretch...
6. Trent has played 24 games...let me say again, TWENTY FOUR games...NOT FOUR...so why on earth do the Trent lovers focus on ONE four game stretch where he never passed for more than 1 TD, played agaisnt 4 of the worst teams and defenses in the league, and struggled bad in 2 of the games (Rams and Raiders)?
And dont even get me started on JP this year...
So, anyone who refuses to aknowledge that the MAIN reason we are not in the playoffs in 2008 is anything but the QB has blinders on. DJ is not the main reason we are not in the playoffs...the combined play of JP AND TRENT are the reason we are not in the playoffs...
You are even MORE delusional if you dont think Buffalo has a major question mark at QB either...Trent may develop into a good one some day, but he is definitely not there now and UNTIL then we wont be much of a force in this league unless our D some how morphs into the Balt, Steeler, or Titan defense over night...
Outstanding post! Until a QB pans out, every coach in Buffalo is destined for failure. That's just how the NFL works. Jauron has made his share of mistakes but he's not getting much help either. The team's overall talent just magnifies any error. You watch these so-called geniuses and they make just as many bad calls. Every week the media has a field day frying 2 or 3 coachs. The difference is many teams can bail out their coach a few times a year.
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you just mentioned it. Haloti Ngata
He qualifies as a monster
I wasn't trying to downplay the talent of Ngata at all. I was responding to Ramius who said the Ravens have one of the best DL in the NFL. Other than Ngata they have capable average players on the line. Luisma said he disagreed with me on NT in the 3-4, but I think I did a poor job explaining my thoughts. The NT is the most important position in the 3-4. That is why Williams, Wilfork, Ngata, and Hampton are arguably the best on their respective lines. My point was that the rest of the line is alot easier to fill once you have the centerpiece. Players like Aaron Smith, Justin Smith, and maybe even Spencer Johnson can be effective in this scheme as DEs. This type of DE is not hard to find and comes at a discount compared to a Dwight Freeney or Jared Allen. As for the linebackers in a 3-4, take your pick because every year their are more and more of these guys. Looking at the Bills situation for fun. You could put Stroud in the middle and slide Johnson out to the end with Kyle williams on the other end. The line could also be upgraded in FA without having to spend the farm on a Peppers. I would also feel alot more comfortable drafting a big strong DE like Tyson Jackson if we didn't have to rely on him as a big time pass rush player. I think you get alot more out of Mitchell and Schobel on the outside in a 3-4 than you do in their current roles. Poz would man the middle with Crowell and neither would be forced into playing outside their skill sets. As far as the draft goes you grab an English, Orapko, or Brown and rotate them into the mix. To me we are closer to being able to run a good 3-4 than we are a Tampa 2.
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please list which "successful" 3-4 teams do NOT have a monster DL. The Ravens have one of the best DL in the biz, as do the patriots*.
Please explain to me how the Ravens have a monster DL? Halot Ngata is a very nice player. Other than that who's the monster Jarret Johnson, Trevor Pryce, or our very own Justin Bannan. If you try telling me Pryce is still playing at an elite level, I'm going to tell you he had 4.5 sacks this year and 27 tackles. Last year he had 17 tackles and 2 sacks. I also consider the Steelers to have a fairly successful defense as well. Do you think that players like Hampton. Smith, and Keisel are amongst the NFL elite? I think they are very nice role players. Casey Hampton has 5.5 career sacks because they don't rely on their tackles to rush the quarterback. The Jests, Cowboys, and Chargers have also played good defense without being stacked on the line. Kris Jenkins and Jamaal Williams are both really nice players but IMO, not impossible pieces to aquire. The *Pats are stacked on the line and they play more 4-3 than any of these other teams. I'm not trying to say that the 3-4 is far and away the best system. I just think it's the best option for the Bills.
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Possible #2 or not an option?
I've never seen him play in a real game.
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Harrison's an LB, dude.
But the Steelers and Harrison are a closing argument in the "draft the most talented guy and change the system around him" argument. The Steelers are great year after year on D because they have a defensive system and they draft guys who fit that system. And it works like crazy.
It works because the players who fit are much easier to find. The steelers have Harrison, Woodley, Timmons, Farrior, and Foote. All fit the system and all can jump in and do the job. If they had to replace one in this draft, I'm certain they could. That's why you saw Porter and Adalius Thomas hit the market. We lose one declining DE and fall apart! Look at what happened when KC traded Allen. They set an NFL record of 10 SACKS! You can't stock a team with stud DEs very easily and if you do good luck keeping them all.
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Not only is Cover-2 horrible from a schematic point of view, it's also RIDICULOUSLY DUMB for a small market team. We need to find four quality d-linemen? And rangy linebackers? And draft safeties high? For what? Whereas a 3-4, you find a solid NT, plug athletes into various LB roles and let them make plays, and take advantage of angles and speed instead of scheme. Linebackers are cheaper and easier to find.
Exactly my point, Coach! You are right on with this post. The successful 3-4 teams don't have studs up and down their D-lines. They have solid big-bodied and disciplined role players. If you think finding a Mario Williams is as easy as finding a Lamarr Woodley you are out of your mind. The steelers and ravens are so stocked with these types, they can afford to let go of Adalius Thomas and Joey Porter. They just reload with a fresh crop and continue attacking. This draft alone has 6-8 of these type of guys who project better to a 3-4 than they do a traditional 4-3 DE. The college game has gotten away from the big DE and relies on the best athletes instead. Who in this draft is going to come in and be our Mario Williams? Tyson Jackson? Even a great player like Mario Williams plays on a defense that can't get pressure. The Texans have spent high draft picks trying but haven't been able to compliment him. What makes you think the Bills are going to find a player like that? We will either take a big no impact DE or we will take an undersized guy and put his hand in the ground and negate his greates strength, you watch. James Harrison would not have the same impact on the Bills as he does on the steelers. You can say the same about Orakpo, Brown, Maybin, English, and Johnson. It's only going to get harder for small market teams to retain the Freeneys, Strahans, and Allens. What about depth? Think it's easier to have a group of rush LBs or a group of stud DEs? What about tackles? I'd rather replace a space eater than a guy you rely on to slash through gaps. We don't even have ONE that can do that with any shred of consistency. The system worked well with HOF talent everywhere on the field in Tampa but it's not going to work in Buffalo.
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A 9 game ROOKIE BUST?
I never heard of such a thing.
Are there actually fans that impatient?
Please name names, I want to stay away from those fans.
Is it possible that someone could say they have concerns about a rookie without saying they are a bust? I don't think anyone is calling him a complete bust and if they are that is pretty stupid. In 9 games, I feel comfortable saying he is along way from making an impact. I also feel comfortable saying that until he is an effective WR, he serves no value to the team. Of course you don't give up on him after year one but he needs to flash something next year. He drops balls, is out of position, gets pushed around, and hangs his head. Some of these flaws are not coachable and should be skills developed in college. I do have hope he can get it together but he is far behind Johnson right now. Also, by saying don't you know it takes WR 2-3 years to develop in the NFL doesn't mean we should blindly ignore a players development until that point.
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All this stuff has me thinking......I suppose there is some sort of safety net in losing.
It gives us something to hope for; something to complain about.
For 15 consecutive seasons I have gone up to RWS. Lately it has been more of a social thing in terms of getting away with my friends, and meeting up with people here that I have now known for years.
With Jauron and the idiotic mentality things are bleak for sure, but this whole big mess is at least ours.
There is no turning back here, and I hope that the more disillusioned fans come back.
I agree, being a Bill's fan means you belong to a club. It's a club that only the members can appreciate. Some of my best stories and memories, center around some sort of Buffalo Bill's implosion. We suffer our franchise's legacy together and their is comfort in that. It's a loser team, loser coach, loser owner, and I'm not going anywhere. Go Bills!
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Yeah, picking one number like TD's to compare is silly. Holmes had a rookie season where he was 5x more productive...not really comparable...
What was concerning about Hardy was his lack of development in the fundamentals and lack of focus he seemed to have out there. He looked lost in both games and practice. I hope he does start to get it, but he didnt really show much to indicate it is going to be soon...
Personally, I think this injury puts him back to the point Steve Johnson comes in and does will which move him ahead of him for good and Hardy will be gone following the 2011 season if that is the case. Its going to open up the door for Steve who seems ready to take the next step. But who knows, we will see...
He can't contribute anywhere else either. I'm not advocating giving up on him by any means but I've got some real hesitation about his NFL career. The injury is just another bad break for his development. His TDs were big timing wise but they didn't exactly standout as extraordinary. I guess I'm concerned because he had a great opportunity to show something and failed badly.
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Players/coaches make the scheme successful. You can win with any defense in the NFL so long as you have talented players and coaching. Great coaching can put good players in a position to succeed. While people are lamenting that our defense causes us to not look at the "tweeners," and thus miss out on some great players, they need to remember that the typical defenses of the 90s decided to pass on players such as Derrick Brooks because he was "too small to succeed" and Ronde barber because "he didn't have the man coverage skills."
I understand what you are saying. The scheme can work if you have good players/coachs. My point is that I believe a 3-4 is much easier to stockpile with talent. I can only think of one true stud traditional DE to come out of college in the last few years. On the otherhand these undersized DEs/rush linebackers are available year in, year out. It has alot to do with what college defenses are doing today. I also think it's easier to find big space eating DTs, as opposed to a Warren Sapp. Tampa had great players and a great coordinator. You need alot of luck to land the pieces that they had. Without these supreme players it's a vanilla scheme. JMO
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I'm rooting for the kid but I didn't see much from him this year. He looked like he didn't even have the tools let alone understanding. Again, I hope I'm wrong but we will see.
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Hey, I hate the Tampa 2, it's not suited for our climate and you have to scout hard to get the players it needs.
I loved our 3-4 defense with Big Ted in the middle being the main clog, what I didn't like was Cottrell's conservatism, that defense was tough as hell but it was a bend and don't brake defense.
I always thought he had the horses to try and be a little bit more agressive at times.
I couldn't agree more. A good aggressive strategy has been needed for along time. It also sets the tone for our players. The attitude that many see in the steelers, ravens, and eagles etc., comes from the ability to play the game going foward. We subscribe to the read and react, 100 percent of the time. You can't punch someone in the mouth playing on your heals all the time.
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Nah, I know a few die hard Cubbies fans, and losing is the furthest thing from a novelty for them.
Maybe it's just that loveable loser crap the media spews.
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But Bill, they can't stop the run! People here want the next Bruce Smith, me too, but it isn't gonna happen. It's very rare to see a 280 pounds DE that can play great rushing the passer as well as stopping the run.
Football, in the trenches, is about leverage, hand placement and wanting it more than the opposition.
I agree that it is very rare to find this type of DE. Unfortunately our defensive scheme relys on having DEs who can play the rush and get to the QB. It's much easier to stock and reload 3-4 linebackers today than it is took look for Bruce Smith. Bill's right on the money with this IMO, scrap this D and start over. I think it could be quicker path to success as well.
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That looked more like man w/ 2 safeties deep. Everyone was up in the box to rush, and Arizona wisely threw right over 'em to where the safeties were out of position to recover.
Nope it was a cover 2. James Harrison couldn't drop back fast enough to cover the middle field. The announcers commented on the coverage as well. It seemed like as soon as Warner recognized where Harrison was going it was an easy play. It might have even been a hot read on Harrison. He just doesn't get back with the same intensity as POZ!
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Given everything this fanbase has suffered it would be the sweetest victory ever had in the NFL. I honestly can't think of a more resilient and loyal group than Bill's fans, and thats all sports. Maybe the Cubs, but losing is a novelty to them. Losing just hurts and is embarassing to Bills fans. In the end we disagree and argue about everything but I hope everyone here gets to celebrate a SB just once.
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He was considered a tweaner coming out of college, and best suited for 3-4 backer. His only question marks I could remember were speed and agility. I think a bigger learning curve was expected as well considering he was a DE. I also hate the Tampa 2 and feel it takes us out of the running for athletes like this. These tweaners are available every year now and seem to always be where the best athletes are choosing to play. I hate this bend but don't break crap. We need to play a more versatile, attack style.
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I am pretty sure he was being sarcastic, no?
I am slow on the take, today.
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I disagree with some points and agree with others.
What fans that didn't like Flutie as the starter failed to realize is that Flutie was suited to play in the NFL because of his arm strength. We can argue all day about that.
His size was a hindrance because he couldn't see the field as well. I thought it was his vision at times that was blocked.
He may have run down towards the end of the year> But most, if not all, NFL players lose some steam. Warner has lost 25 pounds this year. You can tell in photos. Madden mentiioned how small he looked. But he could still throw. And I thought Bledsoe really struggled late in the year with Bills and Cowboys. He just ran out of gas all the time. McNabb runs out of gas during games all the time. It's part of the game.
The Bills struggled on offense in 99, late in the year, but what most people forget the injuries the Bills had with Reimersma and Moulds or they won't acknowledge it. Flutie did well considering those facts. He didn't do great, but he did do well.
Big Ben does have great arm strength, more than Flutie. And he can break tackles better. He also has great body control and he can throw off balance, that's something that Flutie couldn't really do. Throwing off balance when people are hanging all over you and throwing on the run are two different things.
But Big Ben also had balls tipped at the LOS this year. Quite often. And he had a ball intercepted in the Superbowl because of it. That could have been a killer.
Ben is a much better version of Flutie IMO. At least the Bills version of Flutie. While they are similar in play, it's always going to be a height issue for Doug. He was always having to get out of the pocket to scan downfield, and that is just limiting. Ben is not close to Flutie in the athletic ability but he is much stronger. He has a stronger arm and is very difficult to tackle. He was also blessed with height and can keep his eyes downfield, unlike Doug. I don't think Ben is an elite Qb but he is a winner and he does get it done when it counts. He has 19 fourth quarter comebacks in his 5 year career to go with 2 superbowls.
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The *Pats, Jests, and Fish all miss Gandy.
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I thought both quarterbacks played well. Warner made a few mistakes and one of them cost his team the game IMO. A fourteen point swing on the last play of the first half is a nightmare scenario. At the very least they tie the game and get the ball back after halftime. He played great in the second half and set the record for completions in the fourth quarter. I don't understand how he's being questioned today? On top of his statistics take into account the situation, down to the number one defense and playing from a pass only position. Ben played okay for most of the game and great when he needed to. He was under just as much pressure as Warner. He had an advantage of only playing from behind on one drive of the game. He got it done though, so can't fault him on anything.
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THE PIRATES? Really? I have to say you are incorrect on that one but what do I know, I've never even been there.