TDO'Kearney

You guys going on about the clock realize that it doesn't matter if you still go three and out, right? The Bills got the ball with 5:51 to go and gave the ball back with around 4:30 left and everyone blames the no-huddle? Even if the Bills ran three plays and took 40 seconds off each time, NE still gets the ball with a out 3:50 to play anyway. And I'm taking 40 seconds that wouldn't have run off with the incompletion to Stevie on 2nd down. NE was on the Buff 10 with a minute and all 3 timeouts left. It wouldn't have mattered.

McKelvin was good but I wish he would have intercepted that ball Brady threw behind Thompkins that hit Leodis in the left bicep. Also, Kilo was making some thumping hits in there. I hope he doesn't have concussion syndrome when he's done playing....

Well, based on how I've seen Marrone talk to the media, I'm sure if Leslie Frazier had picked up the phone and called Marrone and said "How do you want to do this game?", Marrone might have simply said we're playing it like a game. There. 15 seconds and you know what you have. Now go prepare. Being unprepared in a pro league like the NFL is unacceptable.

I lived in Lockport in 1980 I remember how excited everybody was when the bills finally beat Miami but what cemented my fandom was the 1981 wildcard game against the Jets. Everything started right for the Bills on the opening kickoff to the Jets where they fumbled and Charles Rome's recovered and carried it in for a 7-0 lead. The Bills jumped out to a 24-0 leadin that game but barely hung on to win 31-27 when Bill Simpson intercepted Richard Todd in the end zone with seconds left amidst the garbage swirling at Shea Stadium. I remember my family laughing about the fact that in a post game interview Simpson was still clutching that muddy ball.

Pro Bowl! Maaaaaaan that's nothing but a popularity contest. Ruben Brown made the Pro Bowl for the three consecutive years after he retired. Peters has the talent to be possibly the greatest tackle ever if he worked hard. Seriously. That's why ppl hate him. I coukdnt get on my Division III college team and this guy could be great and doesn't seem to care.

This is a great thread, actually. Makes me proud to be part of this community. The only way it could be a locker room issue is if its a qb. Mix a gay QB with a homophobic center and you're going to cause all sorts of false starts. Seriously time for society to move on... Dammit, I was getting ready to make some kind of stupid crack about the QB-center exchange but you beat me to it.....

Billy Joe Hobert. Well, he might have been a fast learner if he opened the play book....

Or Chris Pronger. He was hit in the chest with a slapshot and the trainer said when he got there that his heart wasn't beating....even though it restarted quickly. http://articles.latimes.com/1998/may/11/sports/sp-48660

He has a Super Bowl Ring and won every game he started for that team in 2002. He made millions of dollars. I'd would give my left nut for that much success. Just sayin'.....

Maybe he got Buddy to go 2 to 1 on a teaser?

Not to mention....it's common. They call it a zone blitz and Dick LeBeau is one of the proponents of it, and no one thinks he sucks...

I don't have a link b/c this was on Sirius NFL radio but I have heard Marty say a few times he doesn't want to coach, but rather, "enjoy the fruits of his labor". The guy is 70 years old, man. Everyone loves him because he came to play LB when the AFL Bills drafted him in 1965 but I think he is retired for good.

Well, the good stats came against reduced pressure and often second string competition. So when the bad stats come against the same, it is cause for concern.

I never drove to a game up there but it's really 60 bucks for parking? Day-mn! I'd turn around and burn my tickets!

You know what? The Pats have a 10 year body of work behind them and were Super Bowl runners up 8 months ago. 3 games isn't a large enough body of work to say that's changed. You can't say this year's Power Rankings have nothing to do with last year when they have 90 % of the same players and a first ballot HOF QB. Leave the Bills at 19 for a few more weeks, lets see how they do these next 3 games before I'd consider raising the rank. I love the direction the Bills seem to be going in but they were 5-2 last year too.

I'm surprised no one posted this so I will. Rule 8 - Section 3 - Article 1 - Item 5: Simultaneous Catch. If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. I don't care who won this game either, it has no effect on the Bills, but Jennings goes up and catches the ball while Tate has his arm in Jennings chest. As they fall to the ground, Tate doesn't even have his other arm in there until they hit the ground. By definition, that's NOT a simultaneous catch. So the refs missed two calls on the same play, the offensive PI (which most people feel the regular refs would choose to overlook at the end of a game too) AND the non simultaneous catch. Not to mention when two refs show up on the play, the first signals for the clock to stop for a change of possession, the second guy runs in and signals touchdown. They didn't even confer. The WORST part was while they were getting the Packers back onto the field for the PAT, they were interviewing Carroll and he mentioned the NE -Buf "just give it to him" game which helped get replay started in the first place....when the Bills didn't come back onto the field and they ran for two....

Actually, in 2007 as bad as the 56-10 game was, the Pats let up. The 8th TD was a defensive score and when the Pats got the ball back with 11 min left they put out Cassel and the second stringers. When it became apparent that the Bills D was too demoralized to stop Heath Evans they started running (who?) Kyle Eckel to run out the clock. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200711180buf.htm I was with you, until someone made the point that he didn't on-side kick the ball back to the Giants. If you're not going to do that, are you really trying to win the game or are you just acting like an a hole?

Actually, in 2007 as bad as the 56-10 game was, the Pats let up. The 8th TD was a defensive score and when the Pats got the ball back with 11 min left they put out Cassel and the second stringers. When it became apparent that the Bills D was too demoralized to stop Heath Evans they started running (who?) Kyle Eckel to run out the clock. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200711180buf.htm

You can't have too many DBs you know....

Moreover, how many times do we complain that ppl just spout stuff with no logic? Then we complain when we have to read a chart? Sheesh.

Well, then, who's the dummy? That joke mighta worked if he didn't spend it all.....

I think luck, or at least circumstances, played into a switch from a 3-4 to a 4-3. Sometimes you have to play the cards you're dealt. How many times did we complain here that the coach needs to fit the scheme to the players not the other way around? Case in point...the Bills pick 3rd in the 2011 draft. They need D help. it becomes clear that we will either get Van Miller, an LB, or Dareus, a DT after the Panthers pick Newton. Once you have both these guys (Williams and Dareus), who do you sit in a 3-4? Dareus is quick but apparently he's really not a DE. If we had gotten the LB, would we still be working a 3-4? Then you look at free agency. You have these two stud tackles and you know two stud DEs are available in FA. Also, Wannstedt happens to be looking for a job in 2011 and he's a 4-3 guy. So you go with what falls to you. Even in fantasy leagues you can't just get whomever you want.

You made the mistake of posting BEFORE the Giants-Jests game. The only controversy the Jets have is which QB is worse. To those who say the Jets had all their receivers out, the Giants DL were in the backfield every play. I don't think it would have been that much better. But it IS preseason.

A lot of folks bring up the 90s Bills preseason record, but those were different. Kelly and the boys would come out and march down the field and make the score 7-0 and sit down while Marv would play the future plumbers and firemen he had that year to see who was any good while ultimately losing 28-17. That's not what these games look like.

OK, F it. Bills 45 Jets 9, Spiller gets 200 yards from scrimmage. I'm on the bandwagon until at least 1:15PM on Sunday!