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sure he sucked before
Its not Maybins fault. DJ is the as- hole who drafted a 20 year old sophomore DE who played 12 games @ around 222 lbs.
he has grown each year physically. dont forget that he just turned 22 and should be a senior this year @ Penn State.
he needs another year in the weight room this off season so he can get his weight up to about 255 or 260 then he gets next years training camp to put it all together if he fails then its over.
mark my words they will not cut maybin if they ever do until after the pre season next year they have to much invested and it makes no sense to cut him now.
everyone knows it takes at least 3 years to evaluate a draft pick especially a #11 pick. if he does not produce next year then its see ya.
personally i think next year as he matures both physically and mentally he will become the 3/4 OLB we all want him to be.
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Solid suggestions. Like you I think Buffalo needs to focus on front 7 help. If Fritz continues to improve we will have our guy.
anyone who thinks fitz is our future is absolutly insane.
thank God the bills are not dumb they will get their franchise QB this year mark my words.
lastly i think our O/L is going to be just fine.
they played a great game sunday against one beastly defense all they need is expirance they are beginning to jell.our guards are going to be great. our center is very very good . just like Galiey said all Bell needs is expirance and the way cordero played in his first game was amaizing especially against that defense.
say bye,bye to Green he will not see the field again in a bills uniform unless we get injuries.
A ton of talent will be available without reaching too much this year. If we do end up getting the number one overall pick and Luck is there its becoming a no-brainer. Then with the first pick of the second round good potential talent will still be available. Linebackers Von Miller or Bruce Carter seem like superstars in the making? Auburn DT Nick Fairley is a monster. Then the third round, Kyle Rudolph TE ND might be here with his injury, or maybe even Gabe Carimi could still be available, I think other OTs are emerging this year and NFL teams are forgeting about him and going with the trend to draft speedy secondary cover guys might push him all the way to the first pick of the third too. And he just seems to have the body. 6'7" 327. Basically what I am thinking is that to build our team we have to draft best available players. But I think that our needs and league mentality favors our draft, next year. Especially when we might have the huge advantage of pick #1 in every round. Not blowing it is our biggest need.
we dont need a TE to start. nelson is going to be a very very good player. he has it all size and speed and great hands. he is a perfect stretch the field TE.
we will not invest a high pick on a TE no way.
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The season didnt start off well, looked ugly and hopeless...
but 6 games into the season is Chan developing a capable offense with the talent on hand (as was advertised by Nix and Ralph) and are things going in the right direction, or, has the "Fitz era" had a few lucky breaks and we aren't as good on offense as it seems they have potential for?
As bad as our offense has been forever, I want to be optimistic but I am having a hard time convincing myself that this is the real Bills offense and things are going in the right direction.
If our offense really is showing potential with our current talent... where does that leave us moving forward? if we can address our defense with free agents / trades / draft maybe we will have a quicker than expected turn around?
what everyone is forgetting is our young O/L and how great they preformed sunday.
i have been saying and mike mayock has said it numerous times that the bills have the 2 best young guards in the NFL they played like it yesterday. nobody gives hangartner any credit but he is the best center we have had in over 5 years and he is also very smart football player.
chan has been saying that bell is a great young talent and everyone has mocked him for saying as much well he sure as hell played very well yesterday also. everyone also seems to forget how green the kid was when he drafted him he had only played 12 games as a starter in collage and was a fomer basketball player but as chan said he is a great athleate and he showed it yesterday.
that leaves howard a freaking rookie who played like a solid veteran yesterday against a top 5 defense in the game.
remember ray lewis threatening us last week after their loss,"i feel sorry for buffalo". still think he thinks that way?
lastly terrel suggs a pro bowl player and one of the best at his position in the league gave our team and our running props after the game." that was one tough football team and they play very hard and those 2 backs i didnt think 2 much of before today but they are good no other backs ever did what they did to us today"
i'm telling you just like chan has been telling us since the season started its going to take time for the line to jell and dont forget they are learning a new offense to boot beside being young and inexperienced.
i hope and pray that yesterday our line came of age and you know they are only going to get better the more they play together.
anyone think that cornell green is getting his job back? i dont think so.
maybe there is hope after all. we all know it all starts up front and after the performance of our young tallented offensive line against a beastly defense on the road yesterday i think things are looking up for our O/line and our offense.
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It's better to lose. But let's say hypothetically Fitz is a good QB and there are no great QBs that will become available in the draft in 2011. Then it becomes better to win.
dont understand are you trying to say there are not going to be any great QB prospects in the 2011 draft because for a long time now all i have read is that this is the year to get your QB and they are comparing this crop of young OB's to the 1983 draft.
so what are you trying to say?
i know one thing if luck comes out (and IMO he will) there is no doubt in my mind that the bills will take him if we own the #1 pick. there is also no doubt in my mind that he will be our starer from game one the kid is incredible and a lot of people are saying he is the best prospect to come out in 10 years.
look i dont hate fitz i just know he is not a franchise QB by any stretch of the imagination. you would be hard pressed to find 5 teams in the NFL where he would have even the slightest chance of starting. the teams you would find are the teams with no QB @ all.
i want a great QB like manning or brady and if one is available this year i know the bills will take him.all these people who want Fitz as our starter for the future are IMO out of your freaking minds.
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I think he is great, with the exception of having terrible legs. He can't get out of pressure and he isn't mobile at all. The guy needs an awesome oline. Like others have said, he looks like a bledsoe type.
I have no problem with Locker or Luck.... though if we take locker, I think a 2nd round would be more fair, though he probably wouldn't last that long. I am liking luck more and more each week. After seeing years of Trent looking scared on the field, then seeing this guy make a huge hit on an opposing player.... man, that is one player that won't be scared. I would love to have him as our QB.
half the franchise QB's in the league are not mobile. manning,brady,flacco,rogers and on and on.
i have seen mallett play a lot and the guy is a very tough,accurate QB with all the intangibles. to say he is immobile means nothing the kid can flat out play and i would love for him to be a bill.
would i rather have Luck you bet.Locker i dont know,i do know Locker is barley 6'2" which scares me a little and he comes from a wishbone offense most of his career that would not work in the NFL. if QB's run in the NFL its just a matter of time before they are knocked out.
Mallett is a extremely competitive pure pocket passer with incredible size,moxie and arm strength. why you wouldn't like that is beyond me.
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not that it needs to be stated, but being at that 2008 NFL Draft live and in person, I just get sick to my stomach every single time this guy makes a big play. A huge sack on peyton today giving him 15 in the past 2 years. I can't even explain how huge it would be to have this guy on our squad instead of maybin. My anger and frustration that day just intensifies every single time Orakpo shows up. I still place this blame squarely on RW and Jauron... I don't think it's what modrak wanted and rumors were that he wanted cushing I believe (correct me if I'm wrong)...
anyways I'm working on a huge spread sheet with a scoring system breaking down just how horrible our drafts have been in the 00's.... and it's shockingly horrible.
you are totally correct everybody thinks modrak made all the picks the last 5 years or more . the truth of the matter is he was head of scouting.
even thurman thomas said last week on his show that modrak is a great talent evaluator and he said that came from the mouth of bill polian himself.
you are also correct in that Modrak wanted Cushing and recommended that he be our pick but was overruled by DJ.
look you can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink it.
to blame modrak for these bad picks is idiotic.
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This is meant to be a thread saying we should not draft Luck or your dumb if we think he is the answer blah blah blah... I don't keep up with Colelge football much at all def a die heart Bills fan though. I was comparing the QB's coming out next year (yes i read about how Luck prob wont enter the draft) and I only see one year prior to this year of stats for him? So my question is do we really want a QB that's only played 2 years in college to be our guy? Am I missing something or is it normal for QB's to only play 2 years I though most all atleast played 3 and sometime 4 years befor being drafted. Thanks
unlike a lot of guys on this board IMO he will come out for a myriad of reasons and if he comes out he will definatly be the #1 pick.
IMO if we have the #1 pick he will be a bill and there's no doubt about that in my mind.
the kid has the IT factor in spades and is the best QB prospect to come out in many many years and i have watched the kid play a lot. he is already a fantastic QB and will start from day one no matter where he ends up.
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Stay away
your nuts. how you could make such a statement is beyond me?
i watched him play a lot the kid is going to be a great on. he is just like flacco only bigger stronger and has a better arm and is more accurate.
he also reminds me a lot of kelly but his demeanor he is one tough SOB.
so i dont know where you are coming from,the only knock you could possibly have is he is not very mobile ,neither is brady or peyton. end of story.
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...as a true contender to the QB we've all been searching for since Kelly left the stage. When you look at his stats over his last five starts (last two games in '09 and the first three in '10) you come to realize that these are not the stats of a backup player. Extrapolated over a 16 game season, these are the numbers of a top tier NFL QB. So what is there to get excited about this year? How about the prospect of Bills fans finding out their franchise QB is already here. This is not a prediction that he will be that, just that Bills fans need to see the very good work he's been doing and the prospect that he just might continue to do so...
Fitzpatrick's last 5 starts...
11 TDs / 3 interceptions
Average TDs per game - 2.2 (35 TDs in a 16 game season)
Average yards per game - 185.6 (2969 yards in a 16 game season)
Average QB rating - 100.66
As a comparison, here are Jim Kelly's 1990 Superbowl season stats (14 games)
Total TDs - 24
Total yards - 2829
Yards per game - 202.1
Rating - 101.2
Cue the haters...
you cant be serious and you obviously dont pay your hard earned dollars to attend bills games and have to watch fitz play.
your post is absolutly ridiculous. three other teams before us showed him the door now you want him to replace kelly as our franchise QB just ridiculous.
the guy @ best is a backup who should only see the field as a last resort. i cant believe you could make such comments and then expect us to take you seriously and believe you know anything about the game.
IMO i cant wait until fitz is gone forever so we dont have to listen to ridiculous posts like this one.
lastly if we are fortunate to get one of the 2 or 3 great prospects available this year there is no way in hell fitz will star over any of them. mark my words the bills will play their rookie QB and let him take his licks just like we did with jimbo.
name me one other team in the last 5 years who took a QB top 5 and did not start him in his rookie year.
you actually want us to believe that if we get Luck,Mallet or Locker that fitz would start over any of these guys really man get real.
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Evidently his stats are good enough to be the sixth best QB.
He's been lucky to no throw interceptions? How does that work, exactly?
It's Fitz that can't move the offense? Not bone head penalties, or phantom penalties or stuffed runs on first and second down that kill drives? It's Fitz's problem?
i guess his total lack of accuracy doesant count.he is the most innacurate QB in the NFL.
he throws one good pass then 10 hoffiffic passes that either bounce off the ground or sail miles over an open receivers head or he under throws them. the guy can run the offense but thats about it.
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One thing in his defense though, Dork, is that I do want him resigned to be the 2011 brief starter/back-up to next year's #1 overall pick.
when we draft a QB with our #1 pick you can bet your last dollar fitz will under no circumstances be our starter next year.
i cant think of a QB drafted in the top 5 in recent history who did not start his rookie year.
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I think he is great, with the exception of having terrible legs. He can't get out of pressure and he isn't mobile at all. The guy needs an awesome oline. Like others have said, he looks like a bledsoe type.
I have no problem with Locker or Luck.... though if we take locker, I think a 2nd round would be more fair, though he probably wouldn't last that long. I am liking luck more and more each week. After seeing years of Trent looking scared on the field, then seeing this guy make a huge hit on an opposing player.... man, that is one player that won't be scared. I would love to have him as our QB.
look i dont like or want locker but to say second round is flat out stupid. the kid will probably go top 10 @ worst 15.
now luck is a #1 lock.i dont know what your problem is with mallet but i would love him in a bills uniform. he reminds me of a bigger better stronger armed and more accurate flacco.
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yeah, but is it worth getting a sixth for him right now? The D does not need any subtraction. They're bad enough as it.
you stole my show, who cares about a sixth round pick.
now if we could get a fifth then i would do it!
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The fact is the Bills did not close the deal, again.
The fact is Wake is a good pass rusher for the Dolphins, while the Bills have squat.
Facts do suck
what did you want the bills to do put a gun to his head. his own agent said the bills gave him a great offer . he chose the sun over the snow .
again people trying to blame nix and the bills for screwing up but they were in reality all over the kid and did the best the could.
you cant make a player sign a contract but half you guys who just want to hate on the bills once again were talking out their behinds.
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Yeah, offering him a contract showed that the Bills were "asleep at the switch."
http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/1186/dolphins-give-cfl-sackmaster-wake-record-deal
Facts suck.
again you dont do your homework. the bills did indeed offer him a contract and pursued him hard he choose Miami over the bills.
try doing your homework before posting next time.
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than Bell ever has a chance of being.
Actually, he reminds me of Bell wrt his agility. He is listed at 315 but I think he is a bit lighter. Still, he is VERY agile and looks strong enough (unlike Bell) to be a very good LT in this league.
There is NO excuse for the Bills to screw up the 2011 draft. I don't trust Nix all that much after the Spiller pick, but I like him (and Gailey) WAY more than Levy/Jauron, and don't think that it is possible for the current crew to be as inept as those two losers. Nope, just don't see it.
I am SO looking forward to the 11 draft!GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the bills are all over it. did you hear the announcer say he was actually speaking to a bills scout who was there looking @ him (and Mallet) and that they have him pegged as a RT in the NFL.
that being said he looked good to me,amybe in the third round.
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Am I the only person who is a little fed up with people referring to this as the same FO? the scouts and Modrak remain, however 3 of the biggest decisions makers have changed -
GM - Nix
Asst. GM - Whaley
National Scout - Moody
granted Whaley should be focusing more on scouting the upcoming opposition and Free Agency, but his football accumen will still be necessary come draft time. Moody also will be a vital cog too. I'm not saying I wouldn't like a few more scouts or a few changes in our scouting department, but maybe that hasn't been the issue at all... maybe the issue has been the decision makers (or lack there of....) and not the data being presented. I guess I have faith Nix is smart enough to see whether the Modrak and these scouts have any sense of what makes a football player.. and I've said it in the past - Modrak had a track record at two other places, what's changed here is, besides Donahoe, he hasn't been on the same page as the guy calling the shots (though their 2001 class was pretty freaking good)...
bill polian said Modrak is one of the best personnel men around and that is coming from the mouth of thurman thomas who was told this by polian himself and thurman said so on his show last monday.
he is getting blamed for all these first round picks where the truth is and was that he was overruled on several occasions by DJ ot Marv and was not in charge of making the picks. he was asked for his opinion but the final call the last 5 years came form DJ or Marv.
its common knowledge that modrak wanted Brian cushing last year as our pick and DJ overruled him and took Maybin yet all you guys blame modrak.
modrak is a great evaluator of talent has been for almost 40 years and is responsible for building the Eagles and picking McNabb.
however the truth of the matter is that he does not make the picks come draft day with the previous administrations. he was the head of collage scouting. you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink. thats what happened with modrak the last 5 years.
he gave his opinions but did not make the picks. the guy was not the GM the last 5 years the fact of the matter is the bills kept offering the job to him but he didnt want it. he's happy in florida and has been for the last 5 years doing what he does best and thats scouting.
yet all you morons blame him for all the first round failures when in fact he did not make the picks.
the guy has been in the business of scouting for almost 4 decades and polian knows how good he is and he told thurman as much.
however all the morons out there still keep blaming him for the bills failures and you all could not be more incorrect.
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about our "hall of fame" owner and his commitment to winning. Quote = "Matter of fact, I cried the day I was drafted by Buffalo. Well, I didn't cry. I had tears in my eyes. Let's get that straight. No, I didn't want to go. I didn't think Ralph Wilson was going to bring in the people it took to build a championship team there. So, I went to the USFL for two year"
Things have not changed much in 30 years. The worst part is the posters on this very board who whined about Ralph not being elected to the Hall. It is a disgrace to the Hall of Fame that this guy, who has mismanaged this franchise so badly, and for so long, while making an obscene amount of money for his trouble, was eventually elected into the Hall of Fame, which is supposed to recognize excellence.
but Jimbo was wrong and Ralph spent the money didnt he? so you totally contridict yourself.
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It seems pretty obvious to me that Buffalo will not pay a huge top three salary in excess of $50M. We know a rookie cap will be in place the next year (2012). We know Mr. Wilson is frugal. We know Buddy wants to build through the draft. I would be shocked if we didn't trade what sadly now seems like the inevitable #1 overall pick (I hope I am wrong. I really want us to win some games). We will still be rebuilding in 2012 and will then keep our top 5 pick which should be a quarterback. I know we haven't traded our top pick very often but it seems pretty logical to me knowing this organization that that is the way they should go. We may get a low to mid round first pick and some more really good picks after that. I don't know what a #1 overall pick is worth but it has to be pretty darn good. If our pick next year is outside of the top 5 we may keep it but 1-3 it is as good as SOLD!
so if Luck declares(good possibility),Mallett is there your trading out. sorry bro but you have no idea what you are talking about.
every consistently winning team has one thing in common a franchise QB and you want to by pass getting a great QB so you can get more mediocre draft picks and mediocre players great logic.
believe me they will never trade out of #1 if Luck is there 100% guaranteed. 95% guaranteed with mallet.
do us all a favor and go watch a couple of Stanford or Arkansas games and watch these 2 QB's play then you will understand how absolutly crazy your post is. really man if you actually watched these kids play you would be very embarrassed by your post and realize how foolish it is.
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Just going by Mark Gaughn's article in the News today (nobody else seems to have brought it up), Andrew Luck will almost certainly stay at Stanford next year.
The biggest reason is that the potential lock-out will still be up in the air when college players have to decide whether they are coming out for the draft. If he figures there will be no NFL football in 2011, he will have all the more reason to stay at Stanford.
It is a perfect example of the Bills' bad luck that the year they need a QB and have a top pick to get one, the highest-rated one stays in school and makes the pick all that more risky (given the busts this organization has had.) Unbelievable!
he is just expressing his opinion which means nothing.
the only way luck will not come out is if there is an agreement on the CBA which is highly in doubt.
with a rookie wge scale coming in a new agreement luck will have no choice but to come out if no new CBA is reached by april which IMO is highly doublful.
sirius radio interviewed many NFL GM's and mike lombardi and they are all certain that luck will come out this year,lets keep our fingers crossed.
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Very interesting analysis, and could explain why the Jauron teams seemed always to be banged up.
http://www.18to88.com/2010-archives/october/why-do-the-colts-have-so-many-injuries.html
only problem is that this team this year is not undersized.
where are we undersized. not the offensive or defensive lines and not line backers.
the only lineman we have who is a little undersized is williams and he is our best d/lineman along with edwards.troupe is plenty big enough to play NT and he is just a baby and can add 10 to 15 lbs in the off season with no problem.
so IMO that issue does not apply this year.
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Perry had Aaron Schobel. Take a mediocre defense, subtract the best pass rusher, and it's going to drop a step.
Honestly, the best thing for the defense is to be good enough to play both 4-3 and 3-4 depending on the situation - the Patriots did it in their best defensive days and the Ravens have done it before. It's tough from a talent perspective, and needs a real coach to run it, so I don't think we're there. But our current talent is so muddled between 4/3 and 3/4 I don't really care which one we choose, as long as we go with the goal to get good at it. Ideally, we could have Mike Singletary or John Fox running the defense next year.
singletary are you kidding me. as a coach he is the laughing stock of the league right now.
did you hear Madden rip him apart yesterday about his coaching abilities?
no thanks
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I read a lot of talk about how Rex Ryan and the Jets were over-rated in the offseason. And yet, here they are, 4-1 and on top of the division. Also, they're probably playing some of the best defense in the NFL and yes, Mark Sanchez is looking as good as if not better than last year. So, how is it again that they're over-rated? It's just the Bills' luck that now there are THREE teams that have made radical improvement that need to be passed. Get used to the basement, folks. We'll be here for another ten years, methinks.
and your point is?
i guess your point is if your a bills fan your a homer and guys like you who ever your a fan of know it all because your a realist or something.
or is it you puffing out your chest telling us all how great you are because you predicted that the jets would be good.
it didnt take a rocket scientist to know that the bils would not be very good this year with all the changes if that makes me a homer great but it does not make you any smarter when it comes to football in my book.
either way who gives a sh-t,personally thats how i feel about your post.
just my 2 cents.
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Disclaimer: I'm a Washington Husky fan, so I have seen Luck and Locker play a ton. Chances are that one of them could end up on your team next year, so I thought I would join to provide some insight.
Luck is money on anything less than 15 yards. He is very cerebral and is able to identify mismatches, soft spots in coverage, etc. He's fairly accurate, but not Bradford accurate. Any throws over 15 yards he seems to float a lot. He doesn't have a cannon and relies on his receivers to make plays, his mismatches, or for his WRs to be wide open to complete any longer passes. He is a very good scrambler, but not ridiculously fast. I would compare him to Aaron Rodgers scrambling wise. He knows when to do it and is successful when he does usually. One thing that Luck has going for him is one of the best offensive lines in college football. Those guys know what they are doing and are incredibly physical. He is great at managing the game and taking what is given to him. He could come into the NFL and be a solid QB right away, but never a superstar IMO.
Locker is a 2-3 year project IMO. He would be great for a team like the Seahawks who have an established QB that is almost done with his career. Locker has the highest upside of any QB in recent memory though. He can make every single NFL throw you could think of, and make them on the move as well. He's just a freak physically, running a 4.39 this spring at 6-3 230 lbs. An NFL GM that watched him play last year said he was "a bigger, taller, right-handed version of Steve Young." His game will get a lot of complaints from fans who don't know the situation he is in very well because they will site his completion % and his overall record. This is only his 2nd year of his life that he has had a QB coach and has run an offense that isn't a Wing-T or a Spread Option. To make matters worse, the offensive line is horrendous and his WRs drop a ton of easily caught balls. Against ASU, he wasn't given enough time by his O-Line for any play longer than 15 yards to even develop. He also had a few perfect passes that hit his WRs in the facemask and he even played with the flu.
Basically, if both of them come out, I would recommend taking Luck if you want a QB who will help immediately although he will likely stay as a mid-tier NFL QB imo. If you had a QB that could play for a year or two, then I would take Locker. Locker has more upside, but Luck is more of a sure thing. I think NFL teams will see the same thing which is why I believe Luck will go in the top 5 to a team that needs him to play right away and Locker will go somewhere in the middle of the 1st round to a team with an established QB but is in the middle tier.
If you have any questions about either, I could try to answer them. I know Luck pretty well and I have watched Locker since he was in High school so I could answer anything about him.
its not even close. they are not even on the same planet in terms of their development and who is better and more NFL ready.
Luck is an absolute animal who like all the NFL GM's have been saying for a while now is the best QB prospect to come out in 10 years.
Cordaro Howard
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yea ok,is that you mouse? you have to be joking the line played great and cordero being a rookie against that defense was outstanding. where do you coach any way just wondering for us idiots who cant see the game like you do.
give me a break and get real. it was the best game by far of the year for the whole O/L and they all played with no substitutions they are young,talented and only need time to jell and expirance playing w/each other.
Christ even suggs commented and gave the bills props after the game saying that no 2 running backs ever did what jackson and spiller did to them sunday and they didnt do it without good line play.
i'm sorry but its you mouse who is clueless here with this beautiful post.
right on our young line is very tallented and our guards are going to be stars,our center is very good and like galiey said bell is a incredible athlete and only needs to get healthy and gain more expirance and sunday was also his best game..
cordero was thrown to the dogs and held up very well and this guy has a B word with our o/line,he just makes himself sound like a complete fool.
by the way mouse every lineman gets beat every game even the great ones,your a joke man.