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We're DOOOOOOMED, I say....DOOOOOOOOOOOMED!
without Peters.
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I know that this might be throwing a stone at the beehive, but wouldn't it be incredible if the Bills play lights out without Peters. Don't get me wrong, I like Peters and really want him to play, but the Bills playing great without him would be the best possible scenario for us fans. Jason would see that we don't really need him and are willing to let him sit. Then, when he decided to return on his own, our already great O-line would get even better.
It seems to me that some of the same people who get mad when someone here says they hope Losman doesn't do well so there is no QB controversy, are the same people who hope the Bills suffer without Peters so we'll have to bring him back. Let's be consistent with the crazy, please.
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Hmm...All thoughs accolades and he still went undrafted.
He still has to prove it to me for one more year before I hand him the keys to the vault.
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The rest of the league disagrees with your assessment:
Buffalo's new linchpin lineman has gone from what many league talent evaluators viewed as an NFL project to a Pro Bowl caliber blind-side protector, with potential to spare.
"He's very, very talented," said Bills offensive line coach Jim McNally. "His potential is unlimited. He's close to 350 pounds and he can run as fast as you want him to run. He's strong, good agility, balance, direction. He has all the tools."
The problem last season was the rest of the league had not yet been fully exposed to what Peters put on the field on a weekly basis. Baltimore defensive coordinator Rex Ryan didn't know who Jason Peters was last year until after Pro Bowl voting had taken place in mid-December. While watching tape of Buffalo's offensive line in preparation for their 2006 season finale with the Bills, Ryan's eyes were drawn to number 71.
"I never knew him from anybody," said Ryan of Peters. "But I was watching the tape and I was like, 'Whoa who is this kid?' He really stood out."
Peters stood out so much in fact that during pre-game warmups prior to last year's final regular season game, Ryan spoke to Bills offensive line coach Jim McNally to pay McNally's star pupil a compliment.
"Rex Ryan said, 'Wow. We didn't really see you play, but after we saw your tape we would have voted for your left tackle for the Pro Bowl,'" recalled McNally.
Chances are Ryan voted for Peters this season helping the left tackle earn selection to his first career Pro Bowl as the Bills left tackle was the lone all-star representative for the club this season.
Peters has taken one of the more unusual paths to NFL stardom, and ironically it was due to his freakish physical abilities. After committing to Arkansas out of high school, the Razorback coaching staff was in such awe of his athleticism for a player his size, they could not decide where to put him.
He played defensive end, defensive tackle, offensive tackle and finally tight end in his three collegiate seasons. All the position switching prevented Peters from maximizing his physical skills as he was forced to spend most of his time getting adjusted to the nuances of a new position each season.
As a 6'4" 320-pound tight end he ran a 4.9 40-time at the NFL Combine but few people took notice. Peters was passed over by the entire league until Buffalo called shortly after the draft concluded to sign him as an undrafted rookie free agent.
He began his career as a tight end with the Bills, but as a member of the team's practice squad after he did not make the team's 53-man roster coming out of training camp.
Peters was called up in mid-November and played on special teams and at tight end before transitioning to offensive tackle early in the 2005 campaign. But the transition took place on the practice field. With no NFL game experience on the line, Peters was thrust into the starting lineup at right tackle on national television at New England.
The results were impressive. Peters held Patriots pass rusher Willie McGinest to a pedestrian five tackles with no sacks, no quarterback pressures and no quarterback hits.
Now in his second season at left tackle, Peters not only handles the opponent's best pass rusher on a weekly basis, he does it with no help.
"We left Jason over there by himself," said McNally plainly.
If backs or tight ends were used to chip on pass rushers it was typically done on the right side of the formation to assist Langston Walker.
Seeing his one-on-one ability on film against the likes of perennial Pro Bowl ends like Jason Taylor and Richard Seymour twice a year, opposing coaches likely had a lot to say about Peters' first Pro Bowl selection.
"He's a great player," Ryan told Buffalobills.com. "Hell the tape doesn't lie. This kid has tons of ability. I'm not ready to put him in the Hall of Fame yet, but I am ready to put him in the Pro Bowl."
"He just has to continue to play," said McNally. "The only person that can stop Jason Peters is himself. His ability is limitless."
Yeah, screw this guy, who needs talent like that? Besides, the last time we had a pro bowl LT was Will Wolford and who needs that? By now, we are all used having our Sundays free after December. Signing Peters could really mess that tradition up for all of us. Imagine having to watch the Bills play in February. Who needs it?
Let's see. I said -
1.Who cares what his average salary for is his career is. He used to be an average TE, now he's a LT.
this article said -
Peters has taken one of the more unusual paths to NFL stardom, and ironically it was due to his freakish physical abilities. After committing to Arkansas out of high school, the Razorback coaching staff was in such awe of his athleticism for a player his size, they could not decide where to put him.
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2. Who cares what the average salary is of the top 5 LT's is. He is not a top 5 LT. Pass blocking maybe top 2 or 3, but his run blocking has a lot to be desired.
This article said -
Peters not only handles the opponent's best pass rusher on a weekly basis, he does it with no help.
This article said -
He just has to continue to play," said McNally. "The only person that can stop Jason Peters is himself. His ability is limitless
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If he proved to me this year that he can do both then I agree and pay him.
yeah, we're pretty far off.
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What is his average salary over his career?
What is the average salary of the top 5 (in terms of salary) LTs league wide?
1.Who cares what his average salary for is his career is. He used to be an average TE, now he's a LT.
2. Who cares what the average salary is of the top 5 LT's is. He is not a top 5 LT. Pass blocking maybe top 2 or 3, but his run blocking has a lot to be desired. If he proved to me this year that he can do both then I agree and pay him.
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Have they paid him?
If he's done playing now...about 5 1/2 mil a year the last two years.
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That's like saying someone isn't miserly because once in a decade or two he buys a piece of toast with his cup of coffee.
Of course, I realize every situation is different. The Bills are not universally skinflints (though they used to have that rep) in all situations. On the other hand, as an organization, they have had many stumbles in putting together and retaining an above average OL. Besides, I'm not convinced that I should praise them for spending the going free agent rates (read: excessive contracts) to fill positions that they have not been able to develop in house.
You mean like taking a TE and training him and turning him into a LT
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Great stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!If you haven't noticed, most of the fanboys don't want Peters to sign.
Peters is signed
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The team is worse off because Brandon didn't get him a new deal despite knowing for 6 months that he wasn't coming to camp without a new one. Yeah it hurts the team Sherlock, but that is precisely his leverage. You blame the player, I blame Brandon because Peters really is worth waaaay more than he is getting and the precedent set with Schobel leaves no justification for not doing the same for Peters, other than not having any contact with him for 6 months or knowing of he is healthy. Get your head out of Brandon's pants for a second and you might realize that his job is too keep our best players on the field. Peters is the best lineman we have had on this team in a decade.
I know I'm
but I fixed it for you.I might suggest that you get out of Jason's pants. He's acting like a little baby. Sorry....big baby.
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OC?
No, I think his name is Shaun(Sean/Shawn?) Andrews
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I said the same thing in another thread. The whole thing is really weird. It reminds me of the guy in philly. He said he was really depressed and it got worse when he read their message boards and someone started a thread that said he was gay.
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we always do a sabres weekend and stay at Comfort suites.
it's right on Chippawa. there's a TGIF's on the ground floor and walking distance to bars and Jim's Steakout for a chicken finger sub.
the metro's free anywhere above ground.
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Great site. I've added it to my list of Buffalo resources. I plan on telling my other Buff ex-pats about it as well.
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I think the Bills should have opened talks as soon as they knew Peters was unhappy. I will even give the Bills the benefit of the doubt and say they did not know until Peters skipped mini-camp. (Parker probably wanted to wait until after the draft to ensure the Bills had no real backup LT)
Aaron Schobel's contract was renegotiated after his 1st probowl when he had 3 years left on his contract.
Once Peters missed the 1st day of minicamp, the Bills should have been on the phone. In May and June, the Bills should have had talks that would have laid the groundwork for a contract. When people negotiate at that level, there is a fine line. This is the 1st NFL holdout for whoever is calling the shots at OBD. I think the Bills handled the Schobel situation much better.
Peters is an NFL player, he is not a grown man. Never in his life has he been teated like a grown man, it is unreasonable for fans to ask him to act like a grown man.
If a "normal" person were in Peters' situation, he would be stupid if he didn't quit his job and go to work for someone willing to pay fair market value for his services. Peters does not have that option.
I am still waiting for an example of an NFL team winning a holdout dispute.
There is nothing written anywhere that says Jason Peters has to play football to make money(unless, of course, you count the contract he already signed with the Bills). These are the rules in place. If he doesn't like them, he can take his talents elsewhere, say, the corner bar as a bouncer. Or maybe the grocery store collecting carts. He has other options.
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There were numerous reasons why we weren't dominant on offense last year and able to run left on every play. It included the offense they were playing, the QB problems, the rookie running back, the actual plays called, the WRs cocnsistently unable to get open, the lack of any semblance of a TE.
The play of Jason Peters was about reason #114 as to why our offense sucked last year.
I agree with all of that, too. And I know we can't run to the left on every play. But with the same RB, QB and receivers as last year, how is it a direct relationship that Peters = Playoffs? I think the other additions on the line and on D will have a bigger effect on our season(in a good way).
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Because he went from (year one) an undrafted nobody TE to (year two) a ST demon and a project the coaches absolutely gushed over to (year three) a solid starter on one side that was so good they switched him to LT in the middle of the year (which instantly and dramatically changed the play of the OL) to (year four) a dominant LT and voted starter in the Pro Bowl.
I agree with all of that...kind of. If he was so dominant then why didn't we run to the left on every play? Why was our offense still so atrocious? Why does everyone think that without him this year the team is in ruin, even though last year he wasn't enough to make a difference? I want to see him finish a season before I pay him.
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So is the concept of paying players 11 million a year who have never played a down. So is the concept of paying players 25 million who have never had a good year but might (Langston Walker). It's just the way it works.
What people are often forgetting, I believe, in this whole argument, is this is a fluke occurrence. Sure a few players hold out all the time, sure players gripe when others playing the same position make more than them. But how many times does a player's talent, production, value, and critical acclaim skyrocket in one year at one of the most important positions in the game? Rarely if ever. This is a unique case. Sure he was paid well before, but in his first year at a position, he was named starter in the pro bowl. Most everyone in the league speaks of him as a total stud and already one of the best. He's a freakish combination of outrageous size, strength, athletic ability and being an insanely quick learner (witness the ST plays he made his first year).
This is an usual case and I think people are forgetting that a lot, and just lumping him in with all players who want more money.
How do we know his last season wasn't a fluke. Or his injury.
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I think the best way for a football team to deal with a holdout is to prevent it. The way they prevented Schobel from holding out.
Can anyone come up with an example of a team that ever 'won' in a holdout dispute? - by winning I mean the player caves, comes in and plays a season with that team under his current contract, and is still on the team the next year.
Like seeing a player on your team that is getting payed as a TE even though he is playing Tackle. So you re-negotiate his contract and pay him what you both thought was fair at the time. Yeah, the Bills really should have done this.
What exactly should the Bills do here. Go to his house with a bucket of money, get on there knees and beg him to come back, maybe give him a happy ending as a gesture of good will. He's a grown man(I think). Grown men go to work. He should honor his contract(like what any of us would do) and go to work.
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Are you bitter enough to toss away playoff hopes? I am not. If the Bills start out strong, I am going to scrimp, save, and negotiate with my wife to "let" me attend a playoff game if it is in RWS.
We need Jason Peters to make the playoffs. He is a young, tremendous LT. This means more to me than an abstract dispute between him and a guy who has hundreds of millions of dollars.
Please consider this.
Why do you keep bringing up how much money wilson has. Like this whole thing is just about him saving a couple of pennies. I just don't understand why you ride Wilson for being only about the money but you give Peters a pass for the very same thing.
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I like cooking(and eating) wings at 9:30 in the morning. Steam pooring out of the deep fryer by the back bumper on a crisp November morn'. Man, this season can't get here soon enough.
Oh yeah...and BOOZE.
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I got nothin' new to add here, just an observation. What's with the title of this thread...FINALLY PETERS MIGHT REPORT. That doesn't say anything. And all caps no less...like there was some important new news we didn't know about. That doesn't tell us anything. It's like saying,"There is a 100% chance that I might get cancer." It doesn't mean that i will, but boy is it sure sounds important.
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You kiddin'? Hey, we love a good tough Polish kid here in the BuffTown - especially a hardworking, good-mannered, plainspoken, tough-as-nails wrecking machine from Linebacker U. (Hell, we even liked Walt Patulski!)
It's also a Polish drinking toast - try it at your next tailgate...
PosLUSZny!!!!!!
I have now forever replaced Nostrovia(sp?) with
PosLUSZny!!!!!!
Thank you
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No offense to the OP, but why are Posluszny jerseys are popular as they are? I mean, at last year's home opener - before he had even played a regular season game - "Poz" jerseys were everywhere.
His reverse 911 call to all season ticket holders, telling them how excited he was to be a Bill and that he was going to do everything he could to help the team win, went a long way with me. I'm sure it had that effect on a lot of people. I have never had a Bills jersey(just got my first Sabre's jersey as well) but am thinking about getting a Poz.
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I'll second that ...
Sorry, I've avoided this subject for the most part, but got sucked in a little...
Personal attacks aside, I've been pretty entertained reading this thread all night.
The only thing I would add is that I'm not sure Peters is worth more money...Yet. If you add his signing bonus and his salary for the last two years I think it would work out to 5.5mil a year...for a Right taclke for 8 games and a left tackle that didn't finish the season. I think he was overpayed
If Peters doesn't show
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Nice work, but it's probably falling on deaf ears....as deaf as ours.