Evans/Owens 5 - 71 yds, Moss/Welker 24 - 234 yrds

[San-O]

Why can't Edwards get the ball to the receivers, and why can't the Bills stop the other teams?

 

I think Edwards played a nice game, late sacks aside, but you can't have Moss and Welker having career days in the

same game!

 

 

And another things, with all the DBs drafted over the past four years, you would think the Bills would be able to

stop someone's throwing game. Was that the game plan, force Brady to throw all night long?

[DanInUticaTampa]

Well, first off, it was one game. 2nd, it was the pats* with brady, moss, and welker. I don't think it is any surprise by anyone that brady can throw to his recievers better than edwards.

[The Big Cat]

Why can't Edwards get the ball to the receivers, and why can't the Bills stop the other teams?

 

I think Edwards played a nice game, late sacks aside, but you can't have Moss and Welker having career days in the

same game!

 

 

And another things, with all the DBs drafted over the past four years, you would think the Bills would be able to

stop someone's throwing game. Was that the game plan, force Brady to throw all night long?

 

They used their receivers in short-routes, we used our TE's/RB's.

 

What difference does it make?

[DanInUticaTampa]

because, you know, stats mean everything.....

[The Big Cat]

because, you know, stats mean everything.....

 

Well, in this case, Moss/Welker with 24 catches, but still averaging under 10 ypc, that does mean something.

 

I guess So-Cal just decided to stay on the surface with this one.

[deep2evans]

Why can't Edwards get the ball to the receivers, and why can't the Bills stop the other teams?

 

I think Edwards played a nice game, late sacks aside, but you can't have Moss and Welker having career days in the

same game!

 

 

And another things, with all the DBs drafted over the past four years, you would think the Bills would be able to

stop someone's throwing game. Was that the game plan, force Brady to throw all night long?

 

If you watched the game, you should be able to answer your own questions. Brady was throwing 3 yard out patterns all night - maybe 2 of those 24 receptions were more than 8 yards downfield. They had 13 points though 55 minutes and we had the game won - move on.

[Orton's Arm]

Why can't Edwards get the ball to the receivers, and why can't the Bills stop the other teams?

 

I think Edwards played a nice game, late sacks aside, but you can't have Moss and Welker having career days in the

same game!

 

 

And another things, with all the DBs drafted over the past four years, you would think the Bills would be able to

stop someone's throwing game. Was that the game plan, force Brady to throw all night long?

If other teams' DBs played as soft/far away from the guys they're covering as ours often do, Edwards' stats would look a lot better.

[San-O]

Well, in this case, Moss/Welker with 24 catches, but still averaging under 10 ypc, that does mean something.

 

I guess So-Cal just decided to stay on the surface with this one.

 

 

To go a little deeper, Evans seems to disappear way too often, and I had expected that with Owens now in the

mix they would be able to get the ball to their # 1 and # 2 receivers, like a lot of people I am guessing.

 

All the Evans people promoted the theory of getting a real # 2 on the other side, and teams wouldn't be able

to just double Evans.

 

I understand it's just one game, and Edwards did a nice job overall I thought, but shouldn't this staff be able

to get the ball to the two big time players, or adjust, or something?

 

 

Nice job by the O-line also: Clean up the penalties and they might have something there.

 

[The Big Cat]

To go a little deeper, Evans seems to disappear way too often, and I had expected that with Owens now in the

mix they would be able to get the ball to their # 1 and # 2 receivers, like a lot of people I am guessing.

 

All the Evans people promoted the theory of getting a real # 2 on the other side, and teams wouldn't be able

to just double Evans.

 

I understand it's just one game, and Edwards did a nice job overall I thought, but shouldn't this staff be able

to get the ball to the two big time players, or adjust, or something?

 

 

Nice job by the O-line also: Clean up the penalties and they might have something there.

 

 

Right, we didn't throw the ball to Evans or Owens. That's been well established. Both had key third down drops. But you do realize we had a receiver not-named Evans or Owens who averaged 16 yards a catch, right?

 

You do also realize it's a freak occurrence when ANY combination of receivers on ANY team at ANY level has 24 receptions between the two of them?

 

Sure, it sucks it happened against The Bills, but considering the parting of the NFL seas that was SUPPOSED to occur upon Jesus Brady's return, it's the far lesser of two evils (getting picked apart).

[San-O]

If other teams' DBs played as soft/far away from the guys they're covering as ours often do, Edwards' stats would look a lot better.

 

 

I used to think that was a problem, but it appears to be the style or method they want.

 

You play soft against a good QB, and they will carve you up sooner or later.

[nucci]

Why can't Edwards get the ball to the receivers, and why can't the Bills stop the other teams?

 

I think Edwards played a nice game, late sacks aside, but you can't have Moss and Welker having career days in the

same game!

 

 

And another things, with all the DBs drafted over the past four years, you would think the Bills would be able to

stop someone's throwing game. Was that the game plan, force Brady to throw all night long?

You're complaining about this now? Have you been asleep all week? Plus, the offense played pretty well.

[San-O]

Right, we didn't throw the ball to Evans or Owens. That's been well established. Both had key third down drops. But you do realize we had a receiver not-named Evans or Owens who averaged 16 yards a catch, right?

 

 

Fast Freddie did a great job.

[DanInUticaTampa]

I understand it's just one game, and Edwards did a nice job overall I thought, but shouldn't this staff be able

to get the ball to the two big time players, or adjust, or something?

 

I think their are two reasons

 

1) bellichick came up with a game plan to limit owens and evans as much as possible. Not every coach is going to be able to plan it as well as he did.

 

2) Edwards, coming off a year where he was highly criticized, played it safe and didn't force the ball into the recievers' hands unless he was absolutly sure he could make the throw. Which i don't have a problem with most of the time, because it limits INTs.

 

I think with lesser coached teams, coaches won't be able to cover both evans and TO as well as bellichick. I also think as edwards gets more confident, he will take more chances on more difficult throws. I honestly would rather of edwards played like he did last week rather than throwing interceptions or other crap. It was nice seeing him throw for 2tds.

[San-O]

I think their are two reasons

 

1) bellichick came up with a game plan to limit owens and evans as much as possible. Not every coach is going to be able to plan it as well as he did.

 

2) Edwards, coming off a year where he was highly criticized, played it safe and didn't force the ball into the recievers' hands unless he was absolutly sure he could make the throw. Which i don't have a problem with most of the time, because it limits INTs.

 

I think with lesser coached teams, coaches won't be able to cover both evans and TO as well as bellichick. I also think as edwards gets more confident, he will take more chances on more difficult throws. I honestly would rather of edwards played like he did last week rather than throwing interceptions or other crap. It was nice seeing him throw for 2tds.

 

 

Both good points. I'll look for Edwards to loosen up week by week, and start to get the WRs more involved in the

passing game.

 

Hopefully the O-line will improve and bolster his confidence also.

[John Cocktosten]

Why can't Edwards get the ball to the receivers, and why can't the Bills stop the other teams?

I think the better question to ask is why were screens, draws and play action working so well?

Put simply, the Bills took what the Pats gave them. Now does that mean that there wasn't a throw or two downfield? Of course there was, but the Pats were playing Lee and TO over the top all game long and that is exactly why our screens, draws and PA worked so well. Those plays don't work when the D is in zone because the 2ndary is watching the play develop. When a D is playing man, the 2ndarys backs are turned, there is usually a blitz coming or the DE's have their ears pinned back which is perfect conditions for those 3 types of plays.

SO instead of being discouraged, you should be glad that we have an OC who understands context. AVP did it without niche plays and used high percentage plays. He kept it simple and the entire game we had the Pats on their toes. The Bills dropped 3 3rd down passes and we did all of that without Lynch. If anything, I was blown away at the gameplan and the understanding that AVP showed during that game.

Mark my words, there will be games when we will be throwing down the field all game long. Patience my friend!

[San-O]

I think the better question to ask is why were screens, draws and play action working so well?

Put simply, the Bills took what the Pats gave them. Now does that mean that there wasn't a throw or two downfield? Of course there was, but the Pats were playing Lee and TO over the top all game long and that is exactly why our screens, draws and PA worked so well. Those plays don't work when the D is in zone because the 2ndary is watching the play develop. When a D is playing man, the 2ndarys backs are turned, there is usually a blitz coming or the DE's have their ears pinned back which is perfect conditions for those 3 types of plays.

SO instead of being discouraged, you should be glad that we have an OC who understands context. AVP did it without niche plays and used high percentage plays. He kept it simple and the entire game we had the Pats on their toes. The Bills dropped 3 3rd down passes and we did all of that without Lynch. If anything, I was blown away at the gameplan and the understanding that AVP showed during that game.

Mark my words, there will be games when we will be throwing down the field all game long. Patience my friend!

 

 

Excellent post. I also think AVP did a great job, and this is being overlooked by most due to the way the game ended.

 

For a 1st time OC, in his first game, to go up against the Pats, he did a very nice job.

 

Buffalo will need to find a way to improve the TOP though, IMO.

[San-O]

QUOTE (John Cocktosten @ Sep 19 2009, 02:48 PM

 

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[John Cocktosten]

Excellent post. I also think AVP did a great job, and this is being overlooked by most due to the way the game ended.

 

For a 1st time OC, in his first game, to go up against the Pats, he did a very nice job.

 

Buffalo will need to find a way to improve the TOP though, IMO.

Keep in mind mind that we are a no huddle team with a bend-dont-break defense. That is not a recipe for TOP.

 

Something else that was overlooked was the difference that Lynch would've made in that game. Not because he's better than Jackson, but Jackson was gassed and if we pounded him all game long he wouldnt have been effective in the passing game.

[San-O]

Keep in mind mind that we are a no huddle team with a bend-dont-break defense. That is not a recipe for TOP.

Something else that was overlooked was the difference that Lynch would've made in that game. Not because he's better than Jackson, but Jackson was gassed and if we pounded him all game long he wouldnt have been effective in the passing game.

 

 

Right, this is by design, and is a reason for much concern I believe.

 

Some games the O is just not going to be in sync, and we have all seen what happens to the Buffalo

D at the ends of games when they have been on the field too long.

 

Sounds like a lot of close, but no cigar, late game losses to me.

[John Cocktosten]

Right, this is by design, and is a reason for much concern I believe.

 

Some games the O is just not going to be in sync, and we have all seen what happens to the Buffalo

D at the ends of games when they have been on the field too long.

 

Sounds like a lot of close, but no cigar, late game losses to me.

I think the Bills are going to faze out the No Huddle as the seson goes on for that very reason. They also have an excuse by saying that was Turk's thing.

 

I think it works in spots but as we lose our depth on D (I know your asking what depth?), I think we are in trouble.

 

I think we should use it depending on the opponent. Especially against teams who run the 3-4 because your catching their big LB's and DL and that will cause problems in coverage underneath. We shall see. I was very nervous about AVP until that game, but now I'm excited to see what else he's got.