VABills Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 He admitted in his speech Saturday that the tax cuts on rich, businesses, and any other tax cuts would not be enough. So he says he estimates he will have to layoff about 100,000 government employees and contractors to help fund it as well. So someone explain to me, how laying off 100,000 people helps? Sure more money immediately, but now they need healthcare, unemployment, etc... Plus he will have even more people out of work. Way to go Johnny, let's screw even more people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Bastard Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 He admitted in his speech Saturday that the tax cuts on rich, businesses, and any other tax cuts would not be enough. So he says he estimates he will have to layoff about 100,000 government employees and contractors to help fund it as well. So someone explain to me, how laying off 100,000 people helps? Sure more money immediately, but now they need healthcare, unemployment, etc... Plus he will have even more people out of work. Way to go Johnny, let's screw even more people. 74109[/snapback] You just need to hit the "rich" up for more money. They can afford it, so stick them with the bill. As far as Kerry, I guess now people are finally starting to realize that there is no way Kerry can keep his promises. Edwards has already stated that they will need to cut back on everything that they have promised, due to a shortage of funds. Reality is setting in. People will still vote for him because they are incapable of asking the obvious question "Kerry is promising all of these wonderful government programs, but how the hell is he going to pay for everything without raising taxes?" Now we know, by cutting the very programs he is promising to the American people just to get their votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 You just need to hit the "rich" up for more money. They can afford it, so stick them with the bill. As far as Kerry, I guess now people are finally starting to realize that there is no way Kerry can keep his promises. Edwards has already stated that they will need to cut back on everything that they have promised, due to a shortage of funds. Reality is setting in. People will still vote for him because they are incapable of asking the obvious question "Kerry is promising all of these wonderful government programs, but how the hell is he going to pay for everything without raising taxes?" Now we know, by cutting the very programs he is promising to the American people just to get their votes. 74135[/snapback] He's gonna win Powerball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Bastard Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 He's gonna win Powerball? 74141[/snapback] I just find it ironic that Kerry is blasting Bush for the loss of jobs during his administration, and one of the first things Kerry will do when he gets in office is cut 100,000 jobs in order to pay for his healthcare plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted October 18, 2004 Author Share Posted October 18, 2004 I just find it ironic that Kerry is blasting Bush for the loss of jobs during his administration, and one of the first things Kerry will do when he gets in office is cut 100,000 jobs in order to pay for his healthcare plan. 74158[/snapback] Why do you find it ironic? he wants to raise taxes on businesses who will then have to cutback employees as they have less capital. If he gets into office you will see 1 million plus people out of work within a year because of the tax and spend. While Bush has spent more then he has taken in, Kerry will as well, but that is even with more tax money coming in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Bastard Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 Why do you find it ironic? he wants to raise taxes on businesses who will then have to cutback employees as they have less capital. If he gets into office you will see 1 million plus people out of work within a year because of the tax and spend. While Bush has spent more then he has taken in, Kerry will as well, but that is even with more tax money coming in. 74171[/snapback] Those greedy businesses only think about profits. They do not realize that they are in business for the common good of the employees. We need to tax them more, so that we can provide more unemployment benefits for the people losing their jobs, due to the raising of business taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 Then his response would be for those 100,000 unemployed. I HAVE A PLAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich in Ohio Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 He admitted in his speech Saturday that the tax cuts on rich, businesses, and any other tax cuts would not be enough. So he says he estimates he will have to layoff about 100,000 government employees and contractors to help fund it as well. So someone explain to me, how laying off 100,000 people helps? Sure more money immediately, but now they need healthcare, unemployment, etc... Plus he will have even more people out of work. Way to go Johnny, let's screw even more people. 74109[/snapback] You ain't seen nothing yet if this loser happes to win. He has made so many mis statements and down right lies that he will have to break the bank to pay for one third of them. And his socialist wife has even more plans up her sleeve for us little folk, I shutter at the thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 Why do you find it ironic? he wants to raise taxes on businesses who will then have to cutback employees as they have less capital. If he gets into office you will see 1 million plus people out of work within a year because of the tax and spend. While Bush has spent more then he has taken in, Kerry will as well, but that is even with more tax money coming in. 74171[/snapback] More people on the dole = More Democrats for the next election cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyT Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 So if this is true (and I don't have time right now to research it) then I am supposed to feel bad that our already bloated and unweildy government is going to become smaller? If, outside of this thread, someone posted that they thought that the government was too small and listed their reasons for supplementing with more staff, more programs, and more layers of BS, you wouldn't do your best to refute the claims? It sucks that people are going to lose their jobs, but if it is done strategically then I call 100,000 less bodies and layers of beureaucracy in the US government a good start. Of course that doesn't support your claim that Kerry=evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Bastard Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 So if this is true (and I don't have time right now to research it) then I am supposed to feel bad that our already bloated and unweildy government is going to become smaller? If, outside of this thread, someone posted that they thought that the government was too small and listed their reasons for supplementing with more staff, more programs, and more layers of BS, you wouldn't do your best to refute the claims? It sucks that people are going to lose their jobs, but if it is done strategically then I call 100,000 less bodies and layers of beureaucracy in the US government a good start. Of course that doesn't support your claim that Kerry=evil. 74451[/snapback] Or it could just be the overwhelming hypocrisy of Kerry blasting Bush for job losses, while at the same time telling people that if you elect him you will lose your job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 So if this is true (and I don't have time right now to research it) then I am supposed to feel bad that our already bloated and unweildy government is going to become smaller? If, outside of this thread, someone posted that they thought that the government was too small and listed their reasons for supplementing with more staff, more programs, and more layers of BS, you wouldn't do your best to refute the claims? It sucks that people are going to lose their jobs, but if it is done strategically then I call 100,000 less bodies and layers of beureaucracy in the US government a good start. Of course that doesn't support your claim that Kerry=evil. 74451[/snapback] Except that's not what's going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 Just cut out the middle men and layoff the government contractors. Things can be done cheaper in-house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 Just cut out the middle men and layoff the government contractors. Things can be done cheaper in-house. 74907[/snapback] No they can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted October 18, 2004 Author Share Posted October 18, 2004 Just cut out the middle men and layoff the government contractors. Things can be done cheaper in-house. 74907[/snapback] Yeah okay, obviously you work in a great place. Most places I have friends at the government types are administrators and GTR/GTM's with the contractors doing all the work. Good luck keeping some of the deadwood in the government versed in Oracle, J2EE, Struts, MVC concepts, etc.... Or what happens when new technologies come out in 5 years? Maintaining 10K plus computers for all the users. Also, Kerry has said he is cutting both, so if you layoff them both, who does the work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 Yeah okay, obviously you work in a great place. Most places I have friends at the government types are administrators and GTR/GTM's with the contractors doing all the work. Good luck keeping some of the deadwood in the government versed in Oracle, J2EE, Struts, MVC concepts, etc.... Or what happens when new technologies come out in 5 years? Maintaining 10K plus computers for all the users. Also, Kerry has said he is cutting both, so if you layoff them both, who does the work? 75037[/snapback] Won't be a great place for long. The gov't will pour 10's of millions into major rehab and then turn it over lock, stock, and barrel to a contractor. Think he'll take care of it? Not if it isn't in the contract. Kinda like giving your teenage kid a free car. Two years down the line, it is a beater and he's looking to you to foot the repair bill. I don't know what they do in other professions... I just know there is no pride anymore. Too many "it's not my job", "I'm not doing that" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted October 18, 2004 Author Share Posted October 18, 2004 Won't be a great place for long. The gov't will pour 10's of millions into major rehab and then turn it over lock, stock, and barrel to a contractor. Think he'll take care of it? Not if it isn't in the contract. Kinda like giving your teenage kid a free car. Two years down the line, it is a beater and he's looking to you to foot the repair bill. I don't know what they do in other professions... I just know there is no pride anymore. Too many "it's not my job", "I'm not doing that" 75151[/snapback] And if you guys were capable of doing the rehab, you would. That's the problem, you would have to staff up, and then layoff everyone you hire, so where is the ownership there? It's the same thing, you are hiring people for a limited time to do a job. Much easier with contractors who will move around and find the work, than hiring government types who won't travel around the country every year r two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 And if you guys were capable of doing the rehab, you would. That's the problem, you would have to staff up, and then layoff everyone you hire, so where is the ownership there? It's the same thing, you are hiring people for a limited time to do a job. Much easier with contractors who will move around and find the work, than hiring government types who won't travel around the country every year r two. 75158[/snapback] What are you talking about?... Of course we do the rehab. Our maintainece crew does it... That is all in-house. Not for long. They want to contract that out too. Little none fact... The Army has more vessels than the Navy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted October 18, 2004 Author Share Posted October 18, 2004 What are you talking about?... Of course we do the rehab. Our maintainece crew does it... That is all in-house. Not for long. They want to contract that out too. Little none fact... The Army has more vessels than the Navy. 75162[/snapback] Do you get lonely on them to. Talked with a squid on the train, he was joking about that. He said in the Navy, "200 people embark, 100 couples debark" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 Do you get lonely on them to. Talked with a squid on the train, he was joking about that. He said in the Navy, "200 people embark, 100 couples debark" 75168[/snapback] If you consider a derrick rig or work flat hospitable? Anyway most people probably go home for the night. I think it would be better to ask a Marine, aren't they part of the Navy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 I think it would be better to ask a Marine, aren't they part of the Navy? 75178[/snapback] Now you've done it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 Now you've done it. 75179[/snapback] I am not crazy with everything the Corps does yet, they are still pretty autonomous and get the job done. It is a throwback here. Yes, there is a lot of overhead. Yet, it is practical and cost effective. I mean everything is done by us. I really think that the governement should promote the do everything they can model. Something breaks down, why wouldn't we fix it ourself?... We are here... I got two hands, give me the tools and I am on it. That is why I like it around here. When I am not on the computer you get a lot of bang for your buck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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