ExiledInIllinois Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 bull sh--. They accomplished a lot.That most of it is...well, bad, frankly...does not detract from the fact that they accomplished something. 682640[/snapback] What? Blowing a third world country further into oblivion?... Where billions if not trillions of US tax dollars will have to be used to drag the country into the 20th century, let alone the 21st... If that is even possible... From what I here, infrastructurally... It is a mess... How long did it take us in the US... Now we are just going to pour money on the problem, hire Iraqis that we don't know from Adam (no offense Adam ) and hope in 10-20-30 years it will be "all good"... Recipe for disaster... Good luck! Even trying to sort out the minutia is a mess. Maybe I can make some money in the process... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 What? Blowing a third world country further into oblivion?... Where billions if not trillions of US tax dollars will have to be used to drag the country into the 20th century, let alone the 21st... If that is even possible... 683550[/snapback] Yep, exactly. Like I said, they accomplished something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 Yep, exactly. Like I said, they accomplished something. 683564[/snapback] Carrying a 100 bag of sand up 20 flights of stairs to only carry them down those same 20 flights is accomplishing something... But, you have done ZERO WORK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 Carrying a 100 bag of sand up 20 flights of stairs to only carry them down those same 20 flights is accomplishing something... But, you have done ZERO WORK. 683575[/snapback] Actually, just the opposite - you've accomplished nothing, as the sand's right where it's started. But you've done lots of work in carrying the sand. And what y'all really mean to say is that we've accomplished nothing constructive in Iraq. But there's nothing that says an accomplishment must be constructive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 Actually, just the opposite - you've accomplished nothing, as the sand's right where it's started. But you've done lots of work in carrying the sand. And what y'all really mean to say is that we've accomplished nothing constructive in Iraq. But there's nothing that says an accomplishment must be constructive. 683583[/snapback] You sure? Ya... You worked (ie: huffing and sweating)... But no work (in regards to the sand being moved to a different place) is recorded... Because it is back at zero. Mathematically, there has been no work (with regards to where the sand is placed). Now... You accomplished something because first the sand is up top, then you changed your mind and moved it back down. From a physics stand point (the sand)... And the value for work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 You sure? Ya... You worked (ie: huffing and sweating)... But no work (in regards to the sand being moved to a different place) is recorded... Because it is back at zero. Mathematically, there has been no work (with regards to where the sand is placed). Now... You accomplished something because first the sand is up top, then you changed your mind and moved it back down. From a physics stand point (the sand)... And the value for work? 683641[/snapback] Yes, I'm sure, because you forgot one simple fact: if you carry the bag of sand up and down the stairs, you're constraining its motion in the vertical. In other words, while you obviously do work carrying it up, you also do work carrying it down, because you're retarding its fall. So even though it may seem, from the mathematical point of view that ∫ F · ds is zero because ds is zero, it's not, because F, which you exert, is not the same going up as going down. QED. But you don't actually accomplish much, because the sand's right back where it started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMadCap Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 Yes, I'm sure, because you forgot one simple fact: if you carry the bag of sand up and down the stairs, you're constraining its motion in the vertical. In other words, while you obviously do work carrying it up, you also do work carrying it down, because you're retarding its fall. So even though it may seem, from the mathematical point of view that ∫ F · ds is zero because ds is zero, it's not, because F, which you exert, is not the same going up as going down. QED. But you don't actually accomplish much, because the sand's right back where it started. 683655[/snapback] Thank you, Dr. Feynmen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 Thank you, Dr. Feynmen 683659[/snapback] That's just about the most use I've got out of my physics degree in years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 That's just about the most use I've got out of my physics degree in years... 683661[/snapback] Thanks! Cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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