_BiB_ Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 There is a lot of this out there, I suggest it as required reading for those who want to turn things over to the UN. UN Scandal to the tune of 110 Billion dollars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheRocks Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 this story is going to be all we hear about for the next 6 months. what are the chances of the bad guys paying for thier crimes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_BiB_ Posted September 28, 2004 Author Share Posted September 28, 2004 this story is going to be all we hear about for the next 6 months. what are the chances of the bad guys paying for thier crimes? 48392[/snapback] I've been following this through "different" channels for awhile. Probably slim to none, unless it gets hot enough for the need for a sacrificial goat. I keep thinking back to those who condemned us (including this board) because France, Germany, Russia and a few others wouldn't come on board with the invasion resolution. Wanna know why? And Khofi's kid is hip deep. Yeah. The UN is going to save the day. Right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich in Ohio Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 I've been following this through "different" channels for awhile. Probably slim to none, unless it gets hot enough for the need for a sacrificial goat. I keep thinking back to those who condemned us (including this board) because France, Germany, Russia and a few others wouldn't come on board with the invasion resolution. Wanna know why? And Khofi's kid is hip deep. Yeah. The UN is going to save the day. Right. 48413[/snapback] maybe the punishment should be that kofi has to go door to door in iraq and say that he is sorry to every family who lost a mother, father , son, or daughter to stravation, or worse yet, fell under the knife of saddam and his wacky kids. I wonder how long hiw crap for words would float with these folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_BiB_ Posted September 28, 2004 Author Share Posted September 28, 2004 maybe the punishment should be that kofi has to go door to door in iraq and say that he is sorry to every family who lost a mother, father , son, or daughter to stravation, or worse yet, fell under the knife of saddam and his wacky kids. I wonder how long hiw crap for words would float with these folks. 48469[/snapback] Oh, just wait until the money trail going back to Al Queda comes out. Tenny, RCow, Debbie will all be saying nay, can't be. Bush propoganda..but sorry, you are all going to see. In effect, the UN has been funding AQ for years. Much of it through Iraqi middlemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Oh, just wait until the money trail going back to Al Queda comes out. Tenny, RCow, Debbie will all be saying nay, can't be. Bush propoganda..but sorry, you are all going to see. In effect, the UN has been funding AQ for years. Much of it through Iraqi middlemen. 48475[/snapback] Now you're starting to sound like a conspiracy theory nut. I thought this war was to help out Bush cronies in Riyadh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_BiB_ Posted September 28, 2004 Author Share Posted September 28, 2004 Now you're starting to sound like a conspiracy theory nut. I thought this war was to help out Bush cronies in Riyadh. 48542[/snapback] Man, there's so much stevestojan that goes on you wouldn't believe. Certain folks can go on believing whatever they want. I've said many a time I'm not an intell guy, but I do operational planning based on intell. It doesn't take a stroke of genius to connect dots when you are handed objectives for an operations or conceptual contingency plan. Fortunately or unfortunately for me, I have to live in the real world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willyville Guy Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 Thanks for passing this along, BiB. It seems to me that Rosett's primary charge against the UN here is not the in-fact corruption that existed within the Oil-for-Food framework, but rather the UN's insistence on privilege and secrecy that made the corruption possible, and an honest evaluation of the program by the public impossible. For example, Rosett testifies: Which brings me to the single most important reform that needs to come out of all this: An end to UN secrecy. The UN is an institution entrusted with fostering a peaceful, freer world. That mission has no chance as long as closet deals can be done with tyrants, and the records shrouded from public view. Had the UN been required to disclose the inner workings of Oil-for-Food from the start, there might have been no need for this hearing. The Bush administration is subject to almost identical criticism. From the secrecy of Cheney's energy policy commission, to the stonewalling of the 9/11 commission, including Rice's attempted invocation of a made-up privilege, to the refusal to answer questions regard the Plamne investigation, and so many others, a hallmark of this administration has been its liberal use of executive privilege to hide its processes. Disclosure is a critical element in combating corruption-- it’s like exposing a vampire to sunlight. Reading this testimony reinforces my belief that the UN is without identity or direction at this point in history, and it needs a lot of help. I believe that our own country needs a lot of help as well. John Kerry may not be perfect, but I get the sense that he'll at least play it above the board for the most part, and that goes a long way with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGTEleven Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 John Kerry may not be perfect, but I get the sense that he'll at least play it above the board for the most part, and that goes a long way with me. 49205[/snapback] What gives you that sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willyville Guy Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 What gives you that sense? 49227[/snapback] It's an instinctive read on his personality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 It's an instinctive read on his personality. 49325[/snapback] Is that why he won't release Teresa's tax returns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willyville Guy Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 Is that why he won't release Teresa's tax returns? 49378[/snapback] Is what why he won't release Teresa's tax returns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichFan Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 but I get the sense that he'll at least play it above the board for the most part Yeah, I can't wait for the news conference where Kerry says "I have just learned that UBL is hiding in the cave shown here in Pakistan. I am immediately dispatching the military to capture him." Somethings are better left secret. Bush mentioned the need for secrecy in this war in his post 9/11 speech. He got 90% approval at the time. Quit yer crying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 Is what why he won't release Teresa's tax returns? 49401[/snapback] Backing your claim that an instinctive read of Kerry's personality will have him be above board, while he's been very elusive in providing Teresa's tax returns and running around screaming about Two Americas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willyville Guy Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 Yeah, I can't wait for the news conference where Kerry says "I have just learned that UBL is hiding in the cave shown here in Pakistan. I am immediately dispatching the military to capture him." Somethings are better left secret. Bush mentioned the need for secrecy in this war in his post 9/11 speech. He got 90% approval at the time. Quit yer crying. 49421[/snapback] I believe that transparency of process is good for government and the people. There are, of course, exceptions, such as the need to keep certain military and intelligence information secret for national security purposes. My issue with Bush's secrecy is that he uses it a lot to protect himself from political embarrassment rather than to protect national security. I believe this behavior has had far reaching negative effects on the crucial trust that must exist between the people and the government (and within the government). Take my examples from above, for instance, rather than the one you just made up to refute my position. And by the way, Michigan sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willyville Guy Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 Backing your claim that an instinctive read of Kerry's personality will have him be above board, while he's been very elusive in providing Teresa's tax returns and running around screaming about Two Americas? 49429[/snapback] I'll admit that my instinctive reading on these two is completely subjective. On balance, I think that the stonewalling that the Bush administration has engaged in is far more significant than the ketchup queen's tax returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 I'll admit that my instinctive reading on these two is completely subjective. On balance, I think that the stonewalling that the Bush administration has engaged in is far more significant than the ketchup queen's tax returns. 49474[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichFan Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 And by the way, Michigan sucks. Hey now, hey now, we can have a respectful disagreement about issues of politics but that just went too far. :I starred in Brokeback Mountain: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 I'll admit that my instinctive reading on these two is completely subjective. On balance, I think that the stonewalling that the Bush administration has engaged in is far more significant than the ketchup queen's tax returns. 49474[/snapback] Yeah, because Mr. Kerry as a politician has always been above reproach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willyville Guy Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 Yeah, because Mr. Kerry as a politician has always been above reproach. 49813[/snapback] Who said that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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