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[OnTheRocks]

They way the dems act act funerals, I think there will be an orgy at Bubba's.

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oh geeez....can you imagine? that will make Rome in its hayday look like a picnic at Pat Robertsons house.

[slothrop]

I guess bashing the President and forwarding your political agenda at a funeral isnt considered offensive in your book.

 

Also find it funny that you and yours get bent when GWB mentions 9/11 during speeches dealing with terrorism, but have no issue with what took place today.

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Coretta King's life was political! The funeral was true to who she was. You can bet that if she were able to speak at her own funeral she would have said a hell of a lot more than was said.

 

It would have been dishonest not to have spoken out, especially considering the fact that the president was there. Social justice is a spiritual concept and speaking truth in the face of oppression and injustice is a spiritual practice.

 

All i get from comments from those who were "offended" by the remarks is that you don't agree with King's politics.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Social justice is a spiritual concept and speaking truth in the face of oppression and injustice is a spiritual practice.

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Yes. This country and this president is manifestly unjust and oppressive. There is no Affirmative Action. There is no Title IX. There is no racial quota system in higher education. There are no anti-defamation laws. The secret police control everything. Big Brother is watching us.

 

News flash, genius. This isn't Communist China. This isn't Iran. Hell, this isn't even socialist Europe.

 

These bogeymen you've built up in your mind are just that: bogeymen. Just because YOUR rather narrow and one-sided worldview isn't the mainstream view doesn't mean you're oppressed.

[chicot]

See Erynthered's post above:

 

"Mr. Hoekstra has already met with a former Iraqi air force general, Georges Sada, who claims that Saddam used civilian airplanes to ferry chemical weapons to Syria in 2002. Mr. Hoekstra is now talking to Iraqis who Mr. Sada claims took part in the mission, and the congressman said the former air force general "should not just be discounted.""

 

Hrm...

 

So they DID exist, but have been moved to Syria? I've been saying that for a LONG time, and it makes sense as both Syria and Iraq were Baathist countries.

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?! It's extremely premature to regard that link as proof positive of the existence of WMDs. I'm not saying that the link is completely bogus, rather that we should wait and see. Richio used to pop up more or less every week and say "aha" when some new "evidence" came to light. In each and every case, it came to nothing. As for the fact that Syria and Iraq were both Baathist countries, don't assume that this means they were on good terms. In fact, the rival Baathist regimes hated each other with each claiming theirs was the "true" version of Baathism.

[PastaJoe]

Basically, what youre saying is that truth and validity of statements being made trump respect and decorum at all costs and all the time.

 

So tell me....would have it been appropriate for Bush 43 to start speaking about Condi Rice, Powell and other minority leaders in the GOP and to start touting it as the, say "new party of inclusion"?

 

How would you feel is Bush 41 started a historical lesson of the Democratic Party 1850-1965 in regards to race relations, especially with blacks or mentioned how Carter played the race card in his campaign for governor of GA in 1970?

 

Im sure such talk from the Bushes would have been ok for you, given your assertions above, right?

 

Right. 

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I would have no problem with the statements you offer being said at the funeral. I would have enjoyed seeing how the audience would have responded. We need more frank and honest public discourse of what people really think about policies and issues. Carter could have then responded to Bush 41 by reminding people about how McCain was treated by the Bush campaign in South Carolina. Let's get it all out on the table.

[RkFast]

I would have no problem with the statements you offer being said at the funeral.  I would have enjoyed seeing how the audience would have responded.  We need more frank and honest public discourse of what people really think about policies and issues.  Carter could have then responded to Bush 41 by reminding people about how McCain was treated by the Bush campaign in South Carolina.  Let's get it all out on the table.

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Honest answer.

 

Personally, Id have a problem with it. Theres a tie and place for everything.

 

Just as the State of the Union address is not the place for a political protest,l a funeral is not the place for partisan jabs.

[PastaJoe]

See Erynthered's post above:

 

"Mr. Hoekstra has already met with a former Iraqi air force general, Georges Sada, who claims that Saddam used civilian airplanes to ferry chemical weapons to Syria in 2002. Mr. Hoekstra is now talking to Iraqis who Mr. Sada claims took part in the mission, and the congressman said the former air force general "should not just be discounted.""

 

Hrm...

 

So they DID exist, but have been moved to Syria? I've been saying that for a LONG time, and it makes sense as both Syria and Iraq were Baathist countries.

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I'll believe it when Chalibi confirms this information; he was the last source that had solid evidence and we know how that turned out.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

I'll believe it when Chalibi confirms this information; he was the last source that had solid evidence and we know how that turned out. 

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Considering Chalabi wasn't IN the country (let alone part of the top military leadership), I think he's less qualified to comment than this high-ranking officer of the Iraqi air force.

[OnTheRocks]

Coretta King's life was political! The funeral was true to who she was. You can bet that if she were able to speak at her own funeral she would have said a hell of a lot more than was said.

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what a load of crap. you don't know jack squat about what she would have said.

 

if you listened to the people who spoke during the service that actually knew the woman, and spent time with her, their comments were not political at all.

 

it was just the pigs looking to promote their own agenda that had to pipe up with their nonsense.

[erynthered]

Here you go.

 

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article.../602040310/1071

[MichFan]

I believe the Southern Christian Leadership Conference may have been formed MLK, at the very least, he was key figure in its early days back in the '60s.  Your condemnation of the organization as some sort of "johnny-come-lately" group is off the mark.

 

You are right, they are an older organization. Funny -- I was a Southern Christian for 2 years and never knew there was a leadership conference I could attend.

 

I couldn't agree more with your assesment of the distasteful practice of politicians  using funerals to advance whatever agenda they have.  Wellstones funeral is a great example.  I don't think Reupublicans are immune from the practice, however.

I cannot think of a single funeral for a Republican political figure where a Democrat president was directly and repeatedly confronted. Ronald Reagan's funeral was handled extremely tactfully by Republican figures but not by his partisan Democrat son. Richard Nixon's funeral contained no criticism of Bill Clinton. I guess I'm just scratching my head looking for a single example of Republicans using funerals in such a way. Link please?

[slothrop]

I guess I'm just scratching my head looking for a single example of Republicans using funerals in such a way.  Link please?

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You mean the one-week Reagan love-in where Delay spoke of using Reagan's legacy to demean democrats?

 

Look, the difference between Reagan and Nixon is that King was an activist who fought against power and oppression - speech and speaking truth to power was her life. Her life was political.

 

Also, look to MLK's funeral as well. The president of Moorehouse College delivered a very political eulogy.

 

Also consider that southern black churches were where the civil rights movement was born. I can't believe people expect some of the founders of the civil rights movement to show the president deferential respect when he is in thier house of worship as though he were some kind of king (obviously no pun intendend). This is the same president who had the Katrina debacle happen under his watch; never attended a NAACP conference; rarely will meet with the COngressional Black Caucus; and is against affirmative action; and has otherwise adversely affected everything the civil rights movement has stood for.

 

What is wrong is that people are surprised by the reception he got!

[Cheeseburger_in_paradise]

You are right, they are an older organization.  Funny -- I was a Southern Christian for 2 years and never knew there was a leadership conference I could attend. 

I cannot think of a single funeral for a Republican political figure where a Democrat president was directly and repeatedly confronted.  Ronald Reagan's funeral was handled extremely tactfully by Republican figures but not by his partisan Democrat son.  Richard Nixon's funeral contained no criticism of Bill Clinton.  I guess I'm just scratching my head looking for a single example of Republicans using funerals in such a way.  Link please?

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I wish I had said that.

[MichFan]

You mean the one-week Reagan love-in

A positive funeral event ... imagine that.

 

I can't believe people expect some of the founders of the civil rights movement to show the president deferential respect when he is in thier house of worship

Last time I checked it was God's house of worship they were in.

 

This is the same president who had the Katrina debacle happen under his watch; never attended a NAACP conference; rarely will meet with the Congressional Black Caucus; and is against affirmative action; and has otherwise adversely affected everything the civil rights movement has stood for.

King = judge people based on who they are, not the color of their skin.

Bush = placing the most African Americans in powerful positions for their abilities, not the color of their skin

NAACP, Black Caucus = any black working for Bush is an Uncle Tom

Seems to me there's nothing for Bush to talk with them about. When they are ready to accept the country's African American leaders back into the black community, perhaps there might be the beginning of a dialog. But for now, Bond, Sharpton et. al. are nothing but a corrupt bunch of money grabbers that have no business being in the presence of the President of the United States.

 

What is wrong is that people are surprised by the reception he got!

You're right, we have come to expect nothing other than low class and embarassing behavior from black "civil rights" leaders and liberal politicians when given the opportunity to grandstand.

[IowaBill]

You are right, they are an older organization.  Funny -- I was a Southern Christian for 2 years and never knew there was a leadership conference I could attend. 

I cannot think of a single funeral for a Republican political figure where a Democrat president was directly and repeatedly confronted.  Ronald Reagan's funeral was handled extremely tactfully by Republican figures but not by his partisan Democrat son.  Richard Nixon's funeral contained no criticism of Bill Clinton.  I guess I'm just scratching my head looking for a single example of Republicans using funerals in such a way.  Link please?

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I can't think of one either, so kudos to you for calling me out on that. I guess my gripe is more with politicians than it is with any one party, I am inclined to think there have been cases when a Republican has used a funeral for political gain, but as you say, one does not come quickly to mind.

 

Overall, I find it pretty offensive when a funeral is used for anything but a celebration of the life of the deceased. I think the grieving of family and friends should be a private thing, not something that should be put on display for all to see, and ceratainly not something for self important fools to take advantage of.

 

I suppose it could be said that the politicos that were there and invited to speak, did so at the behest of those planning the funeral. One would imagine that was the family of Ms. King. Given the way her children have handled the situation surrounding the MLK Center in Atlanta, it is not surprising the funeral was a bit of a circus.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

I can't think of one either, so kudos to you for calling me out on that.  I guess my gripe is more with politicians than it is with any one party, I am inclined to think there have been cases when a Republican has used a funeral for political gain, but as you say, one does not come quickly to mind.

 

Overall, I find it pretty offensive when a funeral is used for anything but a celebration of the life of the deceased.  I think the grieving of family and friends should be a private thing, not something that should be put on display for all to see, and ceratainly not something for self important fools to take advantage of.

 

I suppose it could be said that the politicos that were there and invited to speak, did so at the behest of those planning the funeral.  One would imagine that was the family of Ms. King.  Given the way her children have handled the situation surrounding the MLK Center in Atlanta, it is not surprising the funeral was a bit of a circus.

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You've got to give Bush a lot of credit for showing up even though he KNEW he was gonna get publicallya ttacked. That shows real balls.

[Buford T. Justice]

You've got to give Bush a lot of credit for showing up even though he KNEW he was gonna get publicallya ttacked. That shows real balls.

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Of course the same ones who took cheap shots at him are the ones who would have complained the loudest if he didn't attend the funeral.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Of course the same ones who took cheap shots at him are the ones who would have complained the loudest if he didn't attend the funeral.

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Of course. Liberalism is ALL about double-standards.

 

For example: "We should tolerate ALL religious views....so long as they're not evangelical Christianity."

[Crap Throwing Monkey]

Oh, please, more like Communist Corporate America, your Bush buddies are watching every step you make and if you step out of line, you just might be deemed and enemy combatant and shipped to one of those secret prisons in Eastern Europe.

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Yeah. That happens a lot. Cindy Sheehan, for example...

[PastaJoe]

You've got to give Bush a lot of credit for showing up even though he KNEW he was gonna get publicallya ttacked. That shows real balls.

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Any president would have to show up to such an event, it wasn't even up for debate. If he wants to show real balls he should attend public Q&As where the audience isn't hand selected so they won't ask tough questions or the military where they can't ask tough questions.