DC Mom Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 I watched a complete interveiw with him last night on Quite Frankly. He came off as being WAY to nice and undisciplined to be a head coach. He was almost begging for someone to recognize him. It was pathetic. 575131[/snapback] By recognize you mean like pick him out from the crowd or like you "better recognize, foo"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo mike2 Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 By recognize you mean like pick him out from the crowd or like you "better recognize, foo"? 575148[/snapback] Recognize him for a coaching position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenews Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Martz is a TOOL. 574444[/snapback] a cordless screw driver without a chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dupp, the fine young man Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 no, he rode Dick Vermeil's coat tails 574914[/snapback] Vermeil was a defensive coach who changed his stripes because he had Martz. Vermeils coattails are a lot shorter than you seem to think. Martz gets ripped for not having a good defense and special teams, but Vermeil had a one dimensional team in KC as well. Greg Robinson? Gunther Cunningham? Good grief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Vermeil was a defensive coach who changed his stripes because he had Martz. Vermeils coattails are a lot shorter than you seem to think. Martz gets ripped for not having a good defense and special teams, but Vermeil had a one dimensional team in KC as well. Greg Robinson? Gunther Cunningham? Good grief. 575543[/snapback] Right. Because KC didn't lead the NFL in kickoff and punt returns in the NFL in 2003, finish 7th in punt returns and 3rd in kick returns in 2004, finish 9th in the NFL in Kick returns this year while scoring 2TDs, and Greg Robinson isn't wearing two Super Bowl rings from his time as DC of the Broncos. Meanwhile, Martz' special team's performance over the last 3 years: 2005: KR 23rd PR: 28th 2004: KR 32nd PR: 31st 2003: KR 19th PR: 17th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dupp, the fine young man Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 Right. Because KC didn't lead the NFL in kickoff and punt returns in the NFL in 2003, finish 7th in punt returns and 3rd in kick returns in 2004, finish 9th in the NFL in Kick returns this year while scoring 2TDs, and Greg Robinson isn't wearing two Super Bowl rings from his time as DC of the Broncos. Meanwhile, Martz' special team's performance over the last 3 years: 2005: KR 23rd PR: 28th 2004: KR 32nd PR: 31st 2003: KR 19th PR: 17th 575855[/snapback] And had arguably the worst defense in the NFL. BTW, the Broncos won the Super Bowl with the worst run defense in the NFL and Greg Robinson as their DC. The fact he picked up rings for that mess is irrelevant, his defense sucked. And Dick Vermeil hired him, and ruined any chance of winning in KC. Gunther was no upgrade. At least Martz was smart enough to hire Lovie Smith. Martz was in the playoffs almost every year and Vermeil WAS NOT. I know you guys don't like Martz, but look at the alternatives. They are AWFUL. The best of them is Sherman, and the guy has George Siefert-in-Carolina written all over him. He was a caretaker for what Holmgren left behind and left no imprint on that organization. Martz and his offense were the reason the Rams won a Super Bowl. We're hoping guys with nothing going for them, like Dick Jauron, are going to come in and somehow have learned from their mistakes? How about Martz? What if he has learned from his mistakes? Then maybe we're talking about something special in Buffalo, instead of being Belichick and Saban's whipping boys for the next 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 And had arguably the worst defense in the NFL. BTW, the Broncos won the Super Bowl with the worst run defense in the NFL and Greg Robinson as their DC. The fact he picked up rings for that mess is irrelevant, his defense sucked. 1998 Denver Broncos defense: Eighth in the NFL in scoring defense. Allowed 32 points TOTAL in three playoff games. #3 in the NFL in rushing yardage allowed. 1997 Denver Broncos defense: Seventh overall in the NFL in scoring defense. Fourth overall in total yards allowed. Sixteenth in the NFL in rushing yardage allowed. Fifth in the NFL in passing yards allowed. Yeah, they sucked. And Dick Vermeil hired him, and ruined any chance of winning in KC. Gunther was no upgrade. DV spent KC's cap money on their OLine, not their defense. Whoopie. At least Martz was smart enough to hire Lovie Smith. Martz was in the playoffs almost every year and Vermeil WAS NOT. Mostly because Martz played in the weakest division in the weakest conference in football. Try and remember how good the Rams looked the last time they came to Buffalo and got their asses absolutely handed to them. Then remember that THAT season they actually made the playoffs and WON THEIR DIVISION. They'd have finished about 4-12 in the AFC East. I know you guys don't like Martz, but look at the alternatives. They are AWFUL. The best of them is Sherman, and the guy has George Siefert-in-Carolina written all over him. He was a caretaker for what Holmgren left behind and left no imprint on that organization. Martz and his offense were the reason the Rams won a Super Bowl. It's funny that you can't see Martz the same way - because that's exactly what he is. He is a good offensive mind (as long as you don't mind your QB getting hit at least a dozen times a game by an unblocked defender). Hiring him also means losing Bobby April because there is no way he'd ever work for him again. Are you really willing to toss aside the single consistant bright spot on the staff for the last two years for Mike Martz? We're hoping guys with nothing going for them, like Dick Jauron, are going to come in and somehow have learned from their mistakes? How about Martz? What's the difference? Oh, how about Martz is an arrogant prick who let's that get in the way of winning. The ONLY reason the Patriots beat the Rams in the SB was because Martz wouldn't take what Belichick was giving him. Do you honestly think that zoo offense would work at Rich in December with nowhere near the OLine talent required? Losman's career would be over before it started. There's a reason Green, Warner, Bulger, Martin, and Fitzpatrick have all missed time playing QB with Martz coaching them. What if he has learned from his mistakes? Then maybe we're talking about something special in Buffalo, instead of being Belichick and Saban's whipping boys for the next 5 years. 576030[/snapback] I'll believe Mike Martz can beat Bill Belichick in a game when he actually does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 1998 Denver Broncos defense: Eighth in the NFL in scoring defense. Allowed 32 points TOTAL in three playoff games. #3 in the NFL in rushing yardage allowed. 1997 Denver Broncos defense: Seventh overall in the NFL in scoring defense. Fourth overall in total yards allowed. Sixteenth in the NFL in rushing yardage allowed. Fifth in the NFL in passing yards allowed. Yeah, they sucked. DV spent KC's cap money on their OLine, not their defense. Whoopie. Mostly because Martz played in the weakest division in the weakest conference in football. Try and remember how good the Rams looked the last time they came to Buffalo and got their asses absolutely handed to them. Then remember that THAT season they actually made the playoffs and WON THEIR DIVISION. They'd have finished about 4-12 in the AFC East. It's funny that you can't see Martz the same way - because that's exactly what he is. He is a good offensive mind (as long as you don't mind your QB getting hit at least a dozen times a game by an unblocked defender). Hiring him also means losing Bobby April because there is no way he'd ever work for him again. Are you really willing to toss aside the single consistant bright spot on the staff for the last two years for Mike Martz? What's the difference? Oh, how about Martz is an arrogant prick who let's that get in the way of winning. The ONLY reason the Patriots beat the Rams in the SB was because Martz wouldn't take what Belichick was giving him. Do you honestly think that zoo offense would work at Rich in December with nowhere near the OLine talent required? Losman's career would be over before it started. There's a reason Green, Warner, Bulger, Martin, and Fitzpatrick have all missed time playing QB with Martz coaching them. I'll believe Mike Martz can beat Bill Belichick in a game when he actually does it. 576147[/snapback] i agree with most of what you say here darin (although i do think martz's success was a result of more than just the division he played in), but you're wrong about one thing: martz beat belichick in NE in 2001, 24-17 (in week 10, after the pats had actually evolved into being a really good team). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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