Joe Ferguson forever Posted 52 minutes ago Posted 52 minutes ago 1 hour ago, Orlando Buffalo said: The Geneva convention does not apply to drug runners, but I have a very serious question for you, why do you fight to ensure every evil criminal has full protections from their actions but the innocent people they kill you don't care about? Most everyone cares about innocent people getting hurt. That's a straw man and ridiculous on its face. And there's a questionable premise. Are drug abusers innocent for the consequences of their actions? I think they're at least partially culpable.
sherpa Posted 40 minutes ago Posted 40 minutes ago 5 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Are drug abusers innocent for the consequences of their actions? I think they're at least partially culpable. I have no problem with your statement I think it is absolutely foolish to allow these things to enter the country, as long as we have the ability to attempt to stop it. At a most simplistic level, that's why we have alcohol laws regarding minors. We effort to limit supply. The effort is responsible and desired. They make the choice and they live with the consequences. Still, we don't need to kill helpless people.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted 30 minutes ago Posted 30 minutes ago 2 minutes ago, sherpa said: I have no problem with your statement I think it is absolutely foolish to allow these things to enter the country, as long as we have the ability to attempt to stop it. At a most simplistic level, that's why we have alcohol laws regarding minors. We effort to limit supply. The effort is responsible and desired. They make the choice and they live with the consequences. Still, we don't need to kill helpless people. Fair enough except I don't believe blowing up boats is going to work. As long as demand and price are high, the cartels will find a way. Emphasis should be on decreasing demand. The targets are relatively easy to identify. OD deaths are concentrated in impoverished areas with few decent jobs.
sherpa Posted 23 minutes ago Posted 23 minutes ago 4 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Fair enough except I don't believe blowing up boats is going to work. As long as demand and price are high, the cartels will find a way. Emphasis should be on decreasing demand. The targets are relatively easy to identify. OD deaths are concentrated in impoverished areas with few decent jobs. It isn't "blowing up boats." It is sending a message that if you engage in this murderous activity, you might end your life. Your call, and removes the claim that such people are "helpless." Free will. Clear consequences.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted 12 minutes ago Posted 12 minutes ago 9 minutes ago, sherpa said: It isn't "blowing up boats." It is sending a message that if you engage in this murderous activity, you might end your life. Your call, and removes the claim that such people are "helpless." Free will. Clear consequences. The question is, will that be effective. Every other attempt to decrease drug supply has been minimally successful are outright failures. They'll find another way if they need to.
sherpa Posted 2 minutes ago Posted 2 minutes ago 1 minute ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: The question is, will that be effective. Every other attempt to decrease drug supply has been minimally successful are outright failures. They'll find another way if they need to. It will never be completely effective until these murderous people have other economic opportunities in their own countries, and having the US as an insurance policy prevents that. The Biden four years set us way back. I get that people here may not share that view, but I would suggest that people here have no idea how big the drug trade and illegal immigration industry is. That comes from carrying and listening to others who have carried the massive amount of US personnel group from DEA to CIA to a host of others who have done this for years. The average "guy" who posts here has absolutely no idea. There is no way to stop it without sending a strong message that it will have fatal consequences. I don't like it, but I understand it.
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