Orlando Buffalo Posted Wednesday at 06:33 PM Posted Wednesday at 06:33 PM The study is clearly indicating that giving vaccine is to children at this point is a terrible decision. At this point my next time of concern will be when I have grandkids so I have not delved into the details. I am curious what is wrong with the study because the numbers they are producing are not something that could be easily hidden if true.
ChiGoose Posted Wednesday at 09:41 PM Posted Wednesday at 09:41 PM 12 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Link? There is no link because the study was unpublished. It was also heavily flawed. RFK Jr. ally’s ‘smoking gun’ study on vaccines and chronic illness is fundamentally flawed "The most glaring problem is detection bias, which occurs when one group gets examined more frequently than another, leading to more diagnoses regardless of actual disease rates. In the Henry Ford data, vaccinated children had substantially more health care visits than unvaccinated children. Conditions requiring clinical evaluation to diagnose — ADHD, learning disorders, speech delays, ear infections — will inevitably be recorded more often in the frequently seen group. Yet the authors never correct for this gap. Their only check was to drop children who never had a single encounter with a health care provider, which still leaves one group averaging seven visits a year and the other averaging two. That doesn’t level the playing field; it simply bakes the bias into the results. What they’re measuring is exposure to medical observation, not the effects of vaccines." "Take the claim of a six- to eight-fold increase in ear infections among vaccinated children. This is medically implausible but perfectly explained by detection bias. A child who rarely sees a clinician won’t have “otitis media” coded in their record, even if they’ve had ear pain. While untreated ear infections can resolve on their own, they subject children to unnecessary pain, potential hearing damage, and risk of complications like mastoiditis or meningitis. The study repeatedly conflates absence of diagnosis with absence of disease." The statistical red flags accumulate. The authors report near-zero cases of common conditions like ADHD and learning disabilities among thousands of unvaccinated children. Data show these conditions affect roughly 11% and 9% of children, respectively. Finding essentially none suggests these conditions went undiagnosed and unrecorded in children who rarely saw doctors. In several categories, hazard ratios can’t even be calculated because all cases occur in the vaccinated group — exactly what happens when diagnoses are missed in the comparison group. Properly conducted vaccinated-versus-unvaccinated comparisons look very different from the Henry Ford analysis. A 2014 meta-analysis of more than 1.25 million children published in Vaccine found no link between vaccines and autism. Denmark’s nationwide registry studies found no association with type 1 diabetes or autism. A study published in the Journal of Pediatrics confirmed these findings. Germany’s nationally representative KiGGS study of 13,453 children, including 94 completely unvaccinated, found no meaningful differences in chronic conditions when appropriate methods were used. Rinse and repeat: US vaccine hearing on unpublished study debates same myths Zervos and the other authors of the study were not present at the hearing. The study, which has never been peer-reviewed, is not currently available to the public as a pre-print or in any other form. Scott went on to explain that “the study reports zero ADHD cases among 1,000s of unvaccinated children. How is that possible with a national prevalence at 11%? That’s highly unlikely, unless conditions went undiagnosed.” Scott noted that the study also claimed a six to eightfold increase in ear infections among vaccinated children, but there is no plausible scientific explanation as to why vaccines would increase ear infections. This finding is consistent with past research showing that parents who do not vaccinate their children are also less likely to have their children treated for health conditions in the medical system. Conditions that were not diagnosed or treated would not have shown up in the study, which relied on medical records, according to hearing testimony. As a point of comparison, Scott referenced a Danish study published this July in Annals of Internal Medicine which investigated whether childhood vaccines were linked to 50 different conditions, including many of the same conditions from the unpublished study, like ADHD, autism, asthma, food allergies and eczema. The Danish study looked at outcomes in over a million vaccinated children and 15,000 unvaccinated children, while the unpublished study looked at 18,500 vaccinated children and 2,000 unvaccinated children, according to hearing testimony. The Danish study found no statistically significant increase in risk for any of the conditions investigated, and that vaccinated children experienced lower rates of certain conditions, like ulcerative colitis. Some graphics that Johnson shared left out critical information. For example, a line chart he introduced accurately showed that measles death rates had already begun to decline significantly before vaccines were introduced in the 1960s, due to other factors like improved sanitation, healthcare access and nutrition, but the chart stops in 1960. After vaccines were introduced and widely adopted, both measles cases and death rates declined to nearly zero. Measles was effectively eliminated in the US in 2000, but cases re-emerged when vaccine adoption decreased. There have been 35 measles outbreaks in 2025, according to the CDC. At least two US children and one adult have died of measles this year.
Orlando Buffalo Posted Wednesday at 11:08 PM Author Posted Wednesday at 11:08 PM 1 hour ago, ChiGoose said: There is no link because the study was unpublished. It was also heavily flawed. RFK Jr. ally’s ‘smoking gun’ study on vaccines and chronic illness is fundamentally flawed "The most glaring problem is detection bias, which occurs when one group gets examined more frequently than another, leading to more diagnoses regardless of actual disease rates. In the Henry Ford data, vaccinated children had substantially more health care visits than unvaccinated children. Conditions requiring clinical evaluation to diagnose — ADHD, learning disorders, speech delays, ear infections — will inevitably be recorded more often in the frequently seen group. Yet the authors never correct for this gap. Their only check was to drop children who never had a single encounter with a health care provider, which still leaves one group averaging seven visits a year and the other averaging two. That doesn’t level the playing field; it simply bakes the bias into the results. What they’re measuring is exposure to medical observation, not the effects of vaccines." "Take the claim of a six- to eight-fold increase in ear infections among vaccinated children. This is medically implausible but perfectly explained by detection bias. A child who rarely sees a clinician won’t have “otitis media” coded in their record, even if they’ve had ear pain. While untreated ear infections can resolve on their own, they subject children to unnecessary pain, potential hearing damage, and risk of complications like mastoiditis or meningitis. The study repeatedly conflates absence of diagnosis with absence of disease." The statistical red flags accumulate. The authors report near-zero cases of common conditions like ADHD and learning disabilities among thousands of unvaccinated children. Data show these conditions affect roughly 11% and 9% of children, respectively. Finding essentially none suggests these conditions went undiagnosed and unrecorded in children who rarely saw doctors. In several categories, hazard ratios can’t even be calculated because all cases occur in the vaccinated group — exactly what happens when diagnoses are missed in the comparison group. Properly conducted vaccinated-versus-unvaccinated comparisons look very different from the Henry Ford analysis. A 2014 meta-analysis of more than 1.25 million children published in Vaccine found no link between vaccines and autism. Denmark’s nationwide registry studies found no association with type 1 diabetes or autism. A study published in the Journal of Pediatrics confirmed these findings. Germany’s nationally representative KiGGS study of 13,453 children, including 94 completely unvaccinated, found no meaningful differences in chronic conditions when appropriate methods were used. Rinse and repeat: US vaccine hearing on unpublished study debates same myths Zervos and the other authors of the study were not present at the hearing. The study, which has never been peer-reviewed, is not currently available to the public as a pre-print or in any other form. Scott went on to explain that “the study reports zero ADHD cases among 1,000s of unvaccinated children. How is that possible with a national prevalence at 11%? That’s highly unlikely, unless conditions went undiagnosed.” Scott noted that the study also claimed a six to eightfold increase in ear infections among vaccinated children, but there is no plausible scientific explanation as to why vaccines would increase ear infections. This finding is consistent with past research showing that parents who do not vaccinate their children are also less likely to have their children treated for health conditions in the medical system. Conditions that were not diagnosed or treated would not have shown up in the study, which relied on medical records, according to hearing testimony. As a point of comparison, Scott referenced a Danish study published this July in Annals of Internal Medicine which investigated whether childhood vaccines were linked to 50 different conditions, including many of the same conditions from the unpublished study, like ADHD, autism, asthma, food allergies and eczema. The Danish study looked at outcomes in over a million vaccinated children and 15,000 unvaccinated children, while the unpublished study looked at 18,500 vaccinated children and 2,000 unvaccinated children, according to hearing testimony. The Danish study found no statistically significant increase in risk for any of the conditions investigated, and that vaccinated children experienced lower rates of certain conditions, like ulcerative colitis. Some graphics that Johnson shared left out critical information. For example, a line chart he introduced accurately showed that measles death rates had already begun to decline significantly before vaccines were introduced in the 1960s, due to other factors like improved sanitation, healthcare access and nutrition, but the chart stops in 1960. After vaccines were introduced and widely adopted, both measles cases and death rates declined to nearly zero. Measles was effectively eliminated in the US in 2000, but cases re-emerged when vaccine adoption decreased. There have been 35 measles outbreaks in 2025, according to the CDC. At least two US children and one adult have died of measles this year. This is actually the kind of think I was looking for, I have seen the underlying numbers and doubt they are truly accurate but would love to see a proper accounting of another study done properly. As I stated to hide numbers like this would be almost impossible. 1
ChiGoose Posted Wednesday at 11:38 PM Posted Wednesday at 11:38 PM 29 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said: This is actually the kind of think I was looking for, I have seen the underlying numbers and doubt they are truly accurate but would love to see a proper accounting of another study done properly. As I stated to hide numbers like this would be almost impossible. Yeah, the numbers they were citing really didn’t make any sense.
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