KOKBILLS Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 You are a great man, KOK! .... I don't hate Flutie, he was a winner. Obviously had limitations, but he made the most of his abilities. To tell the truth, I never really got into the Flutie-RJ war, though of the two, I definitely preferred Flutie.. I think both of them got a raw deal in Buffalo: Flutie getting pulled before the Titans game, RJ being expected to be a NFL QB in 2001 behind a Continental Football League OL (that experience ruined him IMO). Drew's another story. I've been a Bills fan since OJ's rookie year, and I've never been more disgusted with any Bills player than Drew, no one else is even close. 193527[/snapback] Continental Football League OL!!! Actually I'm not sure they were that good... As a Football Player... it was tough to hate Flutie. The Guy was all out pure effort and it's hard to find fault there...The other stuff is all history and quite frankly I should get over it...O.K...I just did... Anyway, you're right on the money here Bro...I said it early in the Year and I'll say it again...Drew will tease you to death, then break your heart when it counts most...Now the whole Team has taken on his persona... Heavy sigh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 My feelings exactly. I dont care for Doug but we would of won if Doug was back there. Think about it- Doug and Drew are complete opposites. Drew has all the physical attributes that Doug lacks but Doug plays with heart and is a winner. When the game is on the line Doug will step up and make a play. Doug knows how to win.... 193533[/snapback] Pete...I want to make this clear... You are a great mind also! We should start the "Knew Better" Club... Anyways, there's always next Year for Drew to ruin for us...His work is never done... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Pete...I want to make this clear... You are a great mind also! We should start the "Knew Better" Club... Anyways, there's always next Year for Drew to ruin for us...His work is never done... 193572[/snapback] I hope we are wrong but fear we are far too right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 I hope we are wrong but fear we are far too right 193575[/snapback] The thing is...I know the Bills are basically a Playoff Team, and will likely be the same next Season...But the thought that this Team can be much more than a one and done with Drew at QB is misguided at best IMHO... Granted JP may not be ready next Year, but good God it's time to move on towards an era where some how, some way, we find a QB that can go out and steal a Game or two... And most importantly, a QB who shows up big in a Big Game... I just don't believe this Team is talented enough to Win a Championship with Drew at QB, and I doubt that's going to change much next Season...So they better figure out a way to find someone at QB who can make a difference...I guess we'll see what happens...I'm not going to hold my breath on Drew's departure...I doubt it's going to happen, and I doubt the Bills will be much different in 2005... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 The thing is...I know the Bills are basically a Playoff Team, and will likely be the same next Season...But the thought that this Team can be much more than a one and done with Drew at QB is misguided at best IMHO... Granted JP may not be ready next Year, but good God it's time to move on towards an era where some how, some way, we find a QB that can go out and steal a Game or two... And most importantly, a QB who shows up big in a Big Game... I just don't believe this Team is talented enough to Win a Championship with Drew at QB, and I doubt that's going to change much next Season...So they better figure out a way to find someone at QB who can make a difference...I guess we'll see what happens...I'm not going to hold my breath on Drew's departure...I doubt it's going to happen, and I doubt the Bills will be much different in 2005... 193595[/snapback] I agree with this post especially this line. I do beleive this team is talented enough to win a championship without Drew. That late season run was fun and all but perhaps we would of been better off if lost one of those games and JP got some experience. It would of been the same result- we would be outside the playoffs looking in regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtGodel77 Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 This is probably Sullivan's most unbiased article of the season. He has displayed an obvious bias against TD and DB, but this assessment is based on a fairly unbiased interpretation of the facts. I would only add this diatrabe to these thoughts. We all consistently want to make things to simplistic--gather sides on Drew Sucks or Drew shoud stay. Its not that simple... First specific to O play the last two years. Drew played horribly against all levels competition the most of '03 and the first 9 games of 04 (Sans Arizona, Miami, Jets)--horribly defined as turning the ball over, taking negative plays, etc. Even the biggest Drew hater would agree this was not 100% his fault but a combination of Drew's shortcomings, bad O-line play, bad offensive scheme and play calling, lack of a receiving threat. So go to '04 second half--what changed: 1) O-line improved and McGahee proved a more willing blitz blocker than Henry 2) Receiving talent upgraded and performed well 3) Scheme was better and more suited to our talent 4) Drew improved the quickness of his reads, showed some mobility and some ability to avoid the rush Result is we beat two playoff teams handily (Rams and Seahawks) a good team (Bengals) and some also rans (Browns, Niners, Dolphins)..the offense wasn't wonderful but it scored on turnovers, made big plays and most importantly avoided negative plays and turnovers--a substantial improvement. All of these O improvements came to the forefront except against 2 talented defenses that know Drew well and/or know the Bills scheme well--the Pats because he played there, the Steelers because LeBeau has the Bledsoe book from his year in Buffalo and the Mularkey/Clements O is not exactly a mystery in Pittsburgh... Our troubles against these two elite squads get to the real issue. The only thing that matters is preparing this team to beat the elite in the AFC...you have to anticipate who the elite are going to be next year--the Steelers with their depth, the Chargers with a slew of draft choices will only get better for example; the Jets, Broncos, Texans, Jaguars, Bengals, Ravens are all formidable and any could take a step up--I think the Pats due to age and the Colts due to cap will begin to slip a bit--they are probably still playoff caliber teams but more weaknesses start to show--the rest are still a season or two away. Bottom Line, we have to build a team that competes with this elite/emerging elite group of AFC teams..I don't think you can just say Drew sucks and leave it at that--you have to look at the major competition and assess if Drew's weaknesses or the O-Lines weaknesses or other O positional weaknesses kill you against two or three of the best teams from this group -- you have to make changes. That in more vivid terms is what Sullivan is trying to say--he believes Drew will always put us two or three teams down in the AFC no matter what the other factors...O-line, scheme, skill position talent--Is that true? Who the F knows...... I do know that this coaching staff got us from 6-10 to 9-7 with the roughly the same team as the year before -- Vincent for Winfield/Chris V for Ruben with a side switch...have they milked all they can from this talent base and this QB?? Its going to be an interesting time from the draft prep through the end of August and maybe not the stable off-season I first thought. This staff is good--they know what they want and need to reach elite and they have an owner and a GM who will listen based on this year's success... 193363[/snapback] I like your post more than Sullivan's article! Sullivan wrote the following: " Really, can you think of any other games where Bledsoe was the difference? The Bills won seven of their games by 10 or more points. They didn't trail in the fourth quarter of any of their nine wins." Uh, a good QB is supposed to score points. Last time I checked, a TD in the first quarter counted for just as many points as a TD scored late in the 4th quarter. So Sullivan is undermining the point he is trying to make. What he really should be saying is that the offense in general, and Drew in particular, didn't produce enough yards. We would have had a lot fewer points had it not been for the turnovers our defense created, and for the big plays on special teams. It always seemed like our offense was lacking in some way; that if an opponent could limit our big plays on defense and special teams, our offense alone wouldn't be able to pick up the slack. Against Pittsburgh, that weakness got exposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick in* england Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 I am what on another board is described as a "Drew fluffer" ( whatever that is ), however, I like to think that I can think objectively and, while doing that very thing ( I hop! ) I can't wuite see how "giving the team" to Losman for next year would make it more likely that the Bils would make the playoffs! I can, of course, see having Losman play "here and there" and then "giving him the team" in 2006. If this is anything like "the other board", I will be attacked for this stance! 193398[/snapback] Don't you get fluffers behind the scenes on porn movies?? Are you *really* a Drew fluffer?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Fergy Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Mostly because he was a dick. 193176[/snapback] Exactly!!!!!!!!!! He was your typical liberal, ME ME ME ME ME 1st.....Plus he had his playoff shot against Miami and couldn't even score a TD............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mary owen Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Exactly!!!!!!!!!! He was your typical liberal, ME ME ME ME ME 1st.....Plus he had his playoff shot against Miami and couldn't even score a TD............. 194057[/snapback] selective memory? he got us down pretty close. wasn't there a couple penalties that took us out of the redzone? i don't remember it all, but I think it was ME ME ME Reed who got penalized when he didn't get a TD call. We would have had 1st and goal at the one. Instead, we got pushed back 15 yards. He was throwing great all day. He was the guy throwing the ball to Moulds en route to Eric's career day against the Fins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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