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sure made my day! i am not a fan of quinn or golisano for obvious reasons concerning the on -ice product they try to sell us, but the mere fact he essentially said he would be VERY interested if the bills were in danger of leaving certainly seems like he would step up, very comforting, to say the least. the only question i would have is, would the fans be content if golisano runs the bills like he ran the sabres? i know, the bills have been worse, but i think it is due from outright ineptness as compared to golisano "wanting to break even" (as he said today). i will answer my own question.. yes, i would rather have a mediocre bills team, than none at all.
I would rather Golisano take over the Bills and do with them what he did witht he Sabres than allow the team to leave. When you think about, he ran the Sabres in a way that was transparently business first (like how most people try to say Wilson runs the Bills). However, the saving grace is the fact that he 1. saved the team from leaving initially when he bought and 2. basically ensured that the team wouldn't leave after he got out. This is no small feat. He took less money for the sale of the team (albeit mroe than he paid) from someone who guaranteed they'd stay in Buffalo. He also wrote language intot he sale contract making it difficult to impossible to move the team going forward. If he bought the Bills, held on to them for 10 years, then sold them to someone who really cared and kept them here, I'd call him a freakin hero.
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My philosophy for the draft is target good players that are a good value at your pick and play a position where they can immediately contribute. Then, take the best one when your pick is up.
I believe rankings should be a bit flexible. It’s naïve to think one can rank players accurately enough to justify taking a WR over a DL guy when the WR is ranked 3-5 slots higher than your DL guy and you desperately need DL help.
*I know I have lots of OL and DL guys listed, but with only 5 picks in my mock I would not draft more than 2 at any position. That is, If I landed Dareus and Taylor rounds 1 and 2 I would not take Jarvis Jenkins in the 4th and would jump to Ziembra. I tried to be realistic here, aka a popular pick in the 3rd is Sheppard from LSU but he will be long gone.
Round 1:
-Fairley Auburn
-Bowers Clemson
-Dareus. Alabama All play DE and none need an explanation.
Round 2:
-Phil Taylor. NG Baylor. What an absolute monster. He allows us to move KW to DE, him and Troupe both play – its hard to stay fresh at 330+.
-Derrick Sherrod RT. Miss St. The 2nd best T in the draft to Carimi will fall to us as guys like Coztansa and Soldier who aren’t as good are drafted before him.
-Martez Wilson. ILB. Illinois. Starts at ILB from day 1.
-Mike Pouncy G Florida. Starts at RG from day 1.
- Kyle Rudolf or Luke Stocker. We really need a TE. I don’t know much about Rudolf but I do know I like Stocker a lot.
Round 3:
-Mark Herzlich ILB Boston College.. A lot of people don’t think he isnt very good but I do. He is big and strong and intelligent, diagnosing plays very very well. He played inside at BC and also shifted out wide to play the nickel CB role against 3 wide sets. I have no worries about him coving a big TE like Gronkowski. He was great taking on blockers in the senior bowl and would start for us Day 1. Once he gets another year or two removed from Chemo I expect him to return to his top 15 pick form.
-Kendric Burney CB NC. One of the NC guys who missed games due to suspension. He played great in the Senior bowl which has risen his stock out of the later rounds and maybe higher than this pick too. But we cannot ingonre the trend of the multi WR sets in the NFL and teams need CBs.
-Brooks Reed OLB. Arizona. Good size for an OLB who also has a history of rushing the passer. Would be a very good fit opposite Moats in the future.
-James Carpenter OL Alabama. RG or RT, Carpenter could have started at either for the 2010 Bills the last few games and will start at one in 2011
-Marvin Austin DL. NC. Not sure if he falls this far but he may and he is on the list.
Round 4a & b
-James Carpenter OL Alabama. RG or RT, See Round 3. After the Senior Bowl I think he goes a bit higher than this pick. I think he is more than skilled enough to go at our 3rd round pick but I hope the league passes on this under rated O lineman and he is available in the 4th.
-Jarvis Jenkins DL Clemson. The big bog from Clemson has prototype size for the 5 tech and the frame to ad #s to play NG where he lined up in college.
- Lee Ziemba OT Auburn. A prototype RT size wise who has a bright future in this league, potentially a future starter.
- James Brewster OL Indiana. This mammoth of a man was exposed as lacking elite feet, but also a huge road grader at the Sr. Bowl. Would be a monster of a RG.
-John Miffit OL Wisconsin. Could start at G or C in 2011.
-Mike Blanc DL Auburn. This talented D lineman is a carbon copy of Jenkins, see above.
The only other guy I can add as a later round guy is the RB from ‘Cuse Carter. He is built for the NFL and runs like an NFL runner. I could see him replacing Freddie as our full time starter in 2012.
- This will be updated post combine and the day before the draft. Have at it.
I think what you're missing in your highlighted statement (and I'm guessing at your meaning) is that when you rank guys 1 through 10 at the top of the draft, its not like all 10 are in the same tier. In fact it's not even guaranteed that the top five will all be in the same tier. If the WR is #1, the CB #2, and the DT #3, it doesn't necessarily mean that the difference between the WR and the CB is the same as the difference between the CB and the DT. It could be that the WR and CB are elite calibre players while the DT is the start of the tier most players in that draft fall into: good. I don't mean to advocate for one position or player over another, but I think you have to be mindful of the fact that one prospect can be significantly better than another prospect and they can be ranked right next to each other.
All that being said, I like all of the players you are looking at for each pick, but am least enthusiastic about the first round players. The only one of the three I really like is Dareus. I do like Quinn and the DE from Cal and I'm warming up to Von Miller, but I don't know if I really like any of those players at 3.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/31/everson-griffen-arrested-tasered/
Just another in the line of athletes with rap sheets. This could end his career rather quickly.
Donte Whitner seemed to survive his tasering and arrest OK. But on the topic, glad we didn't draft him.
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In this day of measuring everything about every sport, I'm kind of surprised that there isn't a definitive benchmark of team by team data analysis? When we talk about how well the Steelers, Ravens, or Patriots drafts it all seems subjective. There doesn't seem to be a way to scale what the difference is between the best teams and the worst teams... is it 10% or 200%??
So here's a method I came up with. Please feel free to suggest modifications/refinements/critiques. Once we innovate this a bit, I'll look back at several drafts and see if we can grade everyone by this methodology
Methodology starts in year #3 and each year can be modified based on ongoing results of the players drafted.
Players are divided into 4 categories with Base points for each type of player
-- PRO/Pro Bowler 5pts (selected for at least 3 Pro Bowls)
-- STR/Starter 3pts (at least 32 starts, 2 full years)
-- BUP/Back-up 1pt (on NFL roster for at least 48 games, 3 full years)
-- WSH/Washout 0pts (out of the NFL by 3rd season)
In addition each round of the draft is scaled per expectations
-- Rd #1, Starters and Pro Bowlers expected, otherwise negative penalty, including -3 for a washout
-- Rd #2, Starters still expected but scaling back penalty for misses
-- Rd #3, Starters requiring greater skill and scaling back penalty for misses
-- Rd #4, Solid players expected, with extra points for starters/pro bowlers
-- Rd #5, Solid players rewarded
-- Rd #6, Solid players expected, no extra points for Pro Bowlers (ie Tom Brady type picks)
-- Rd #7, No penalties, just solid players get a 1 pt bonus
Round Drafted
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
PRO 0 1 2 3 1 0 0
STR 0 1 2 3 2 1 0
BUP -1 -1 -1 0 1 1 1
WSH -3 -2 -1 0 0 0 0
Have at it...
I like the idea you have here, but I don't think the grading system is that great of a representation of what you are trying to say. Part of the problem you are going to have is how to weight the production of the players by round. Does a starter in the first round equal a primary backup in the second? The third? Is there a difference between a backup who never sees the field and a player who plays in sub packages only? How do role players fit?
I suspect that you will see a slightly skewed bell curve with a higher number of teams consistantly drafting poorly and a very small number (if any) who consistantly draft well. I think the first thing taht needs to be accepted for this is that there are probably no teams, over a 10 year period for instance, that have had 10 good drafts. Therein lies the problem witht his exercise: it's really easy to pick out the teams that draft poorly, but hard to decide who drafts well and to then quantify it.
One team might draft a bunch of really good, near elite players, but can't find a role player or second or third tier player to save their life. Other teams might only be able to find the second and third tier players, but not elite players to save their lives (ehem, cough *Buffalo Bills* cough). How many third tier players equal an elite player? All these questions are important, but unfortunately don't go anywhere near the real question of how good a team is at drafting because none of these things deal with wins and losses. If a team hits on a few (5-7) elite players and then a whole load of third tier players and wins the SB with a predominantly self-drafted team, I would say they are much better than a team that found 10-15 elite players, but can't get out of the first round of the playoffs.
I think in the end, the majority of teams are too close to explicitly quantify and rank their drafting against other teams because of all these differences and how they relate to winning. I'd bet that you'd find that the good drafting teams tend to get players who fit into their system (or a system is designed around them) effectively.
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I think Donte is as good as gone. Wilson, Byrd, and Scott is a good safety core. I think they need to focus on signing Wilson. He is arguably better than Donte and certaintly more flexible with better ball skills.
It takes 10 mill+ a season to sign Asomugha, I'd pass.
If someone could coach McKelvin up to be a good CB, leaving return duties to CJ or Freddie, and you sign Florence the CBs are set. Then if McGee can get healthy it's only a bonus.
So signing Florence and Wilson would be priorities for me.
I'm not advocating keeping Whitner (especially at $7mm/year), but to say 1. that the three guys we'd have left would be just as good; and 2. that Wilson is better than Whitner is kind of ridiculous. Wilson looks better as a sub because teams don't game plan for his weaknesses because he's not guaranteed to be in the game much. He's got ball skills, but he's not natural in coverage at all. He's a great backup, first off the bench safety and would probably be better suited to taking Byrd's role as centerfielder than playing against the run (where I think last year he overtook Bryd as the worst run-defender of the group). Bryan Scott is a good backup, but, as so many posters like to say, he would not be starting for a playoff team. Neither would Wilson for that matter; he'd be the first off the bench backup. If Whitner goes, like it or not, we're going to draft a safety or sign a safety to big money.
I don't like the idea of taking any DB at our pick in round 1, but I could see it happening in round 2 or 3 if the right player is there - someone who can play the run from the SS position. It would also helpt o get a guy in that positoin who could cover the TE, but I don't know if that would work better than getting a pass rush that forces the offense to leave in extra blockers to protect.
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It's some combination of all those factors. He probably has this next camp to show something before we cut him.
PTR
I think you're right in that he only has one chance left and it's not guaranteed to last past minicamp. He's a poor player at this point in time and I don't have any inside information on him, s I can't say why he's not living up to expectations other than to guess at it like everyone else.
I was wondering however, if the comments coming out of OBD regarding him and the OLBs in general have been aimed at getting him more motivated (which I believe is the underlying factor - not in game motivation, but motivation off the field to get smarter and bigger). They added Merriman and have a few players who could help or who they at least need to see mroe of in Moats, Coleman, and Battan. They have to add someone else here just to round out the group of those four plus Kelsey. You'd think all of this activity and spot-putting would turn a light on for him to get his stuff together. I wonder if some of the stuff coming out of OBD is really meant to wake him up than it is for the fans benefit.
By the way, full disclosure: the only reason I'd be against cutting him would be the off chance that he is able to come around. If it takes until minicamp, training camp, week 1, or tomorrow to figure that out, I'm OK with it. I am not in the group of posters who want him gone even if he turns out to be "decent".
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Here are the misses we let go in the first round the past decade, now we can't hit homeruns every time but this will show how sad but true we did.
2000 - #26 DE Erik Flowers (this pick still makes me mad)LB Keith Bulluck
2001 - #21 CB Nate Clements (not bad) QB Drew Brees (how long have we been replacing Jimbo)
2002 - #4 OT Mike Williams (
knew this guy was a bum, big don't mean good, this guy was as nasty as a lamb) DE Dwight Freeney (my pick) S Ed Reed 2003 - #23 RB Willis McGahee (ok) TE Dallas Clark (yeah couldn't use him) (If we had Brees then we wouldn't have traded for Bledsoe and could have had S Troy Polamalu (imagine him and Reed as our safties
:devil: )2004 - #13 WR Lee Evans (surprisingly never made probowl) NT Vince Wolfork (was a beast in College and still is today, would have taken him in a heart beat)
2005 - pick went Dallas #20 could have had QB Aaron Rodgers or G Logan Mankins
2006 - #8 S Donte Whitner
DT Hiloti Ngati any questions2007 - #12 RB Marshawn Lynch
CB Darrelle Revis 2008 - #11 CB Leodis McKelvin (still waiting) OT Ryan Clady
2009 - #11 DE Aaron Maybin (Taking the fastest first step right out of here
) where do we begin Superstar OLB Clay Matthews, DE Brian Orakpo,LB Brian Cushing
2010 - #9 RB CJ Spiller (BPA
) been over this plenty so short and quick; OT Brian Bulaga, DE Jason Pierre-Paul (OLB for us)C Maurkice Pouncey, QB Tim Tebow, Have at it.
Obviously they've made some errors in the drafts of the past decade. Aside from the hindsight is 20/20 argument, I do think you are going about this incorrectly. You really have to take into consideration what type of player/position they were looking to draft or needed on the team. For instance, the Mike Williams pick. Obviously this was a bad pick and there were people who thought so before he played a down. However, was there really ever a chance that they were not goign to take a OT there? It was between Williams and McKinney, who is OK, but not living up to expectations either (though obviously much closer than Williams). Freeney wasn't a consideration and neither was Ed Reed. They had a good defense at that point, but couldn't do anything on offense. Just traded for Bledsoe, so they ahd to get someone to protect him. Another one is Evans/Wilfork. We had a great interior that year and needed a deep threat at WR. They had to take Evans and I believe that was probably their best pick of the decade, not that it's saying much.
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Could this move benefit us in some strange way? They are going to have to overhaul the entire defense as we did. Could some players be available that might not fit? Shaun Rogers, D-Qwell Jackson, etc.? They actually have some decent defenders over there. Thoughts?
Maybe we could trade them Kelsey, since he's such a great fit in DJ's scheme.
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Wilson has always been cheap with coaches. That's a proven fact, correct?
Just like menstrating women attracting bears into the newsroom...
If everyone keeps repeating something, it's bound to be right.
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We have been running a 4-3 base alignment for around 8 weeks now so that is old information.
On Sunday we had a little tweak and our base D was a 4-3 over alignment, with the strong side backer on the LOS in a 2 point stance – which essentially makes it a 5-2 with a stand up end. I also noticed us in this a few times other weeks but it was used so much this week it was our base D. Moats was the SAM, always on the heavy side of the line with the TE. I noticed he played great vrs the run setting the edge well and also rushed a handful of times. Ayodele was the middle and Poz was the weakside, although they are essentially playing in the same position over the Gs, just Poz is alone to pursue to the sideline as Kelsay is terrible and has never set an edge ever in his entire career, while Ayodele had Moats guarding the wide side of the field.
I think Edwards is finding we play pretty well in this alignment and I feel we are really improving. Moat has really been the missing link and is playing great vrs the run and pass. PS I Maybin cannot play the SAM in this D as he cannot take on blocks and hold his ground. Teams would be able to crush us running to the strong side with Maybin at the crucial point of attack on the LOS.
- -On the Browns first drive I watched Kelsay get washed inside as the weakside D end resulting in huge runs for Hillis. On a few other times throughout the game I noticed it happen again but it wasn’t such a big gain. He stinks.
I am really hoping we stick to the 4-3, it is suiting us better and I think we can build a great d using a 4 man front.
I think they've been playing variations of the 5-2 since after the bye. Whether they are in the 3-4 and have Kelsey and Moats/Torbor outside or playing 4-3 and have Kelsey play on the line as the 5th guy, the only differences are whether the 5th guy puts his hand on the ground.
I actually like the defense that they play now (scheme-wise) and I think they really need another (or a) pass rusher and an ILB who can step right in an they should be good to go. We need a few more guys to help stop the run and add some pass rush.
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McKelvin is essentially in his second year...lost a year to injury. Incredible physical talent. And, looks like he belongs out there. Yes, he has made mistakes, but that is OK...great season to do that. And, I expect him to start next year...either opposite McGee (Florence a free agent) or with Florence...if the Bills can resign him. No way to is a McCargo or Maybin situation...not even close. Been watching the Bills for 50 years (yeh, grey hair), I like what McKelvin is GOING TO BE. The man has all pro potential...all of you out there with short fuses...put them OUT!
I agree - McKelvin's problem isn't that he is lacking physical skills or football ability. He seems to have a problem on the concentration side of things, which is correctable. I can't understand how a team with almsot zero true physical talents would cut one of them. These are the types of players that eventually turn out to be great. If they kept some of these other guys as longa s they have, they owe McKelvin at least a total of 5 uninjured years.
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Draft stud passrushing DE (Bowers,Quinn)and MLB, start Troup, switch to 4-3 problem solved. 3-4 is over rated as players make the difference not schemes and this team is more suited for 4-3. Our best defensive player is better suited as an under DT. Troup could be the space eater in a 4-3 with Stroud and Edwards spelling them.
Starting lineup DL: Bowers or Quinn, Williams, Troup,(Kelsay/Carrington/Johnson)
LB: Poz/MLB/Torbor or FA upgrade
I don't have a problem with the schemes they run. 3-4 or 4-3 is fine. I think the real issue is they should be playing a two-gap defense instead of the one-gap we played under Jauran. I actually think it'll help the team out in the future to be able to play both 3-4 and 4-3. I like being able to give teams the 3-4 under look (one-gap) at times while also being able to go with a 4-3 and 3-4 two-gap look.
Going to a 4-3 doesn't hide the fact that our LBs are still crap for the most part and need to be upgraded.
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When you look at the Bills defense, I think this season has proven that one position in particular is in desperate need of help, Linebackers.
I think it pretty amazing that we look "ok" some of the time.
Think about the Bills LBs compared to any other team and who would start on another team. I would say Poz and Moats, and maybe Coleman and Maybin would be the only ones to make another good defensive team's roster.
Its a desperate need for this team and I know Buddy Nix thinks the same. We better hope the LB draft class is a good one and some good FA are out there. Torbor, Ayodele, Ellson are not going to cut it.
I think the most over-looked LB need on this team is ILB. I like Poz, but they need another player to put next to him on the inside. Basically Andre Davis' replacement. I do think they need a player at OLB who can play the run and rush the passer - a blue chip player - but I think after getting one of those, we'd be OK.
Moats looks like he's worthy of more playing time. Battan looked good before he got hurt and is very athletic. Kelsey is Kelsey. Maybin deserves another offseason and training camp at least. Coleman has potential and should get another offseason.
On the inside however, we have Poz and Davis. We could use 2 or 3 new players at ILB depending on Davis' availability for next year. At the very least, if Davis goes down again next year, there should be a player who can actually fill his role come in for him instead of another Keith Ellison sighting or Ayodele.
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I noticed in last weeks game (as in all previous games), we did not utilize a TE as a blocker even though our OL was getting killed with backups playing due to injuries.
I realize that this is a spread offense, but what good is a spread offense if the QB is on his back or throwing the ball away to avoid a sack 2 seconds after the snap. Seems to me, we should have made an adjustment at half time to dedicate a TE as a run/pass blocker the remainder of the game. One less WR on the field, but perhaps it would have given Fitz enough time to complete a pass down field.
Anyone have any opinions on this?
I think the reason they are not using the TEs to block inline (or at all) is due to two things: 1. the TEs cannot block that well and none are that great at receiving to bring otu a WR, and 2. they are trying to stop teams from throwing all sorts of exotic blitzes at us by spreading out the defense so the o-line can make the right blocks. The more players you have bunched up in the ofensive formation, the more defensive players are bunched up on the formation and more different combinations of blitzes.
I've noticed that they use Corey McIntyre a lot in the blocking schemes and very creatively. I like the running play where CM lines up out wide initially, then motions towards the line until he is on the OT's hip when the play starts. They use him a lot in the space normally occupied by the TE to block in all kinds of formations. I think the reason for that comes down to him being a better player than anyone else we have.
All that being said, we really need a TE who can block and at least catch passes of the sub 15 yard variety up the middle of the field. We'd be much better on offense. Much better.
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I totally agree.
The lack of even an offer for 'Big Pat' was ridiculous. And that was far from alot of money.
Same thing with Antoine Winfield and London Fletcher. The loss of these 3 sent out defense backwards several years. How long have we been trying to replace these guys? Especially Pat Williams. That one really hurt. Kyle Williams- who is awesome- is finally emerging as an NFL stud, but how long did it take for that to occur?
The thing that I notice about championship teams, is that they are obviously loaded with talented players. But what sets them apart is they also have competent future starters in the wings, waiting to take over once the starter retires, is injured, or goes somewhere else. The Patriots and Colts were excellent examples of this; though both franchises are now showing signs of being hit by too many losses these past few years that they can't possibly replace all of their players.
The Bills of this past decade allowed our own draft picks that turned into productive, Pro Bowl players walk away over chump change. Donahoe was such an @$$.
When Big Pat left, what did we replace him with? Is Poz as good as Fletcher? Now, arguably McGee and MCKelvin are good replacements at CB, but how many high 1st round picks have we spent on the secondary?
It's not a fair argument.
I mean, with smarter free agent decisions (keeping Fletcher, Williams, and Winfield), drafting better (Orakpo or Oher over Maybin, Ngata instead of Whitner, drafting Gronkowski), and some more aggressive free agent dealings (offering Cameron Wake more money than Miami to come to Buffalo) we would be an amazingly different team. What kind of pass rush would we have with Orakpo, Fletcher, Poz at LB, Cameron Wake, Ngata, Big Pat, Kyle Williams in relief duty, and Schobel? Winfield, McGee, McKelvin, Byrd in the secondary? You wouldn't be able to run or pass on a defense that good. And to top it all off, it would be a relatively young defense. We could concentrate our efforts on building the offensive line. Gronkowski may have answered those TE issues. Our receiving and RB corps is now solid. Fitz is performing well. Special teams would be solid.
We'd only need a couple of high caliber offensive tackles, and we'd be amazing.
Ah...why did Donahoe have to "spill the milk"? I'm still crying over it.
I think one of the things that has set the Bills apart from more successful organizations over the past 10 years (not in a good way) is their habit of relying too much on young players who they feel have more talent and will be better than the current ones, but are not at the moment they are thrust intot he lineup. If you look at good teams, they draft replacement players, while still holding ontot he veteran players who are to be replaced. While we just replace the player and hope the younger player comes into his own. I understand there's a lot to be said for getting the player into the game to show what he can do, but I think doing that to a young player (any position) too early in his career actually damages their career path.
A perfect example of a team doing this with a player is the Steelers and Lawrence Timmons(sp?). The guy was a first round draft pick, but played second or thrid string for his first 2 to 3 seasons in the league. He basically played spot duty for them. Now he's starting and capable, whiel they never had a really big drop-off at that position during the switch-over.
Now look at the London Fletcher/Poz switch. They basically dumped the vet for the rookie in one offseason. Now Poz hasn't been terrible (he has been injured), but he certainly hasn't been a world-beater. There was definitely an initial drop-off between the two (and you could argue there still is depending on the situation).
I think the true value of having the vets still on the team with the younger, replacement players is that they develop a mentor-protege relationship, which allows the rookies to more easily assimilate intto the NFL. They have a more experienced player to assist them in learning the nuances of the scheme they are in (any football player who gets drafted can learna playbook, but it takes a while for them to really understand their role and be able to improvise within the scheme). I also think it goes past the actual on-field work and into the offseason program, weight lifting program, and practicing. The veteran players can show the younger guys how they should be working (i.e. practicing) and provide a benchmark for their progress. If it's all young guys, they might tend to have certain bad habits crop up that only experience tells you is a killer for the team. Not to mention the vets provide at least a baseline production on the field in the event that the rookies fall apart during the season.
Despite the fact that there probably isn't any one Bills fan who was really happy about the extension of Kelsey, this is the one good thing that can be taken out of it: The organization seems to be willing to spend money on players who are marked to be replaced, but serve a purpose as leaders, so they can help to endoctrinate the younger players with the culture of the club. Obviously if the culture is poor you might not want those vet players fostering that culture to be retained to train the younger kids, but, at least in Kelsey's case, I think the problem is more talent than attitude, which makes him somewhat of a good fit for this (hopefully) temporary role.
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But isn't it broke? They can't stop the run, which starts with a monster NT. A few negative yards in sacks doesn't nearly make up for the huge chunks of rushing yardage given up. Like I said, he's really good, but not a 3-4 NT.
Maybe its not his fault that they are that bad. He could be the reason we are only giving up 150 yards per game instead of 200. I'd like to see what he can do with LBs behind him that weren't picked off the scrap heap right before training camp or during the season.
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I was not comparing Dockery to Evans. I was comparing contract situations. You stated that the Bills would keep Evans in no uncertain terms, but the Bills have unequivocally shown that they can and will purge big contracts. Hate to break it to you but Evans isn't a superstar, All-Pro, nor even the centerpiece of this offense. It's not that hard to understand.
I think most of Evan's contract was guaranteed, so unless they trade him, I doubt he goes anywhere until that contract is up. Also, why do you want to get rid of the most established receiver ont he team when all we have behind him are basically unproven guys (yes, including Steve Johnson)? You're making it sound like we can trade Evans for a third and go to the Super Bowl next year. Good teams can afford to let fringe stars go, but we aren't there yet.
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I was kind of chuckling there in the second half when Kugler's line was making our DL look like world beaters (ok, maybe mini-me edition, but you know what I mean). Been a long time since we've seen anything like that.
I thought the same thing - amazing what "Koogs" and Jonathan Scott will do for you...
Bell isn't a rookie. What is this, year 3?
The Steelers have a very good defense. Bell has been holding his own to a limited extent this season. I am curious to see how he does against the Steelers D. Bell plays next to a good, and improving LG. He also gets a lot of help. Tomorrow would seem to be a good time to look at him to see exactly what we have.
Imo, Demarcus Love would enter this league as a better LT than Bell. Many posters think that devoting the early picks to defense is a given. I tend to disagree. We did this (after the Spiller debacle) with Troup and Carrington in 2010.
If we don't take a QB in round 1 (and I openly hope we take Mallett), I think the biggest need we have is at OT. Before the Colts drafted Manning, they took Tarik Glenn and Adam Meadows in rounds 1 and 2. This worked for them big time.
My point is that if Bell has a chance (which I personally doubt) to be a dominant LT, this affords the team other options. So, I think this week is a very good time for us to make an honest appraisal of Bell.
I know I will be watching closely.
So what did you think about Bell and the OL as a whole yesterday? The suspense is killing me!
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From his Twitter:
He really should accept the responsibility solely on his shoulders, and not blame God. Also, he should probably leave God out of this entirely. Some religious people may find that Tweet offensive.
Mods I know there is another thread about this but it has a subject line that is kinda misleading
Why should he leave God out of it? Players thank God when they do good things. If God gets the credit for the good stuff, they he should probably accept responsibility for the drop as well. In fact I think God is a me-first player and should be cut.
Seriously though, I've never understood why any of these players bring God into it at all. It's real life and it's gotta go one way or the other. The game itself creates moments that allow players to rise to the challenge or fall on their butt. People should accept the fact that they win and lose on their own and God has nothing to do with it. I certainly don't thank or admonish God when I win/lose at the craps tables.
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Anyone who thinks this is a receiving tandem that can win in the NFL is insane. Lee Evans is a legitimate starter in the league, but come on Stevie Johnson?? I LOVE what the guy is doing this season, but can we really believe that when his name is out there that this guy is going to still be productive? This is a player who is a product of the defensive attention that Lee Evans is getting, as well as a pass happy offense that is playing from behind most of the time. He drops a lot of balls as well. If this guy turns out to be the real deal then I am happy as can be about being dead wrong. I just can't see it though. He doesnt have great speed, great athleticism, great size, or great anything. I certainly think this team needs to still be looking for a wide receiver threat, but that is just one man's opinion.
I think you're nuts. Johnson may not turn into a Pro Bowl WR, but I think 9 TDs on the season and multiple good games says a lot about him and his future. I've seen him make tougher catches than Evans over the course of this season. He seems to be pretty strong on the short routes and I can't remember more than 3 drops throughotu this year.
This was exactly the subject of my (ignored) post from yesterday. How is it they find these gems in the later rounds and as FA walk-ons, but totally whiff on what should be the lowest risk pick that come in the early rounds of the draft.
My question is, do Ralph and the bean counters make the final decisions on the high dollar players, and only let the boys in the offices at One Bills Drive decide the FA scrubs and lower round guys.
BTW - I might even be inclined to add 2nd rounder Byrd to the list of potential busts. Time will tell. In spite of his 2009 ball-hawking skills in Perry's defensive scheme that made him a rookie phenom, so far he's no more than an average DB in regard to the more pedetrian assignments and duties of an NFL safety.
If interested, here's the post from yesterday:
http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/123534-good-scouting-micro-management/
I'm sorry but how does this make any sense at all? You're implying that they bring in accountants and Ralph to make the picks on the players at the top of the draft because of the money involved!? So he let's the guys who don't know anythingabout football make the big money decisions? That's like saying Warren Buffett let's his interns qualify and sign off on his big-ticket deals while he only does the small ones. What sense does this make? I mean at least the theory that DJ made those higher picks (or had a lot of input) makes sense.
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Oh yeah, that will put us on ESPN for sure. Stupid bills get fined millions of dollars for not following the CBA.
You know a lawyer can lose his law license if he pays the fine of his client? It amazes me that people don't understand the consequenses of all these ridiculous actions. All it takes is an accountant, an assistant, an investigator, a janitor, or someone else to snitch that the bills broke a legal agreement and our front office will be a bigger joke than it already is. You people that come up with these ideas are just crazy.
No reason you couldn't legally re-structure his contract to give him a signing bonus of the same amount as the fine...
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with all honesty, the OP is correct, they are a much improved squad, and many in this thread have pointed out that Gailey's wrinkles, plus the quicker reads make by Fitzpatrick have added to the perception of the line's play, but I think they have a long way to go still.
Simply put - Can this line dominate a defensive front yet? I think most here can agree the answer to that is no, and that's not considering the top tier teams.
I will say I see this group only getting better with time, and possibly another well drafted player for the right side of the line. I don't think the teams needs to spend a high draft pick on an LT or RT right now though, I think DE and OLB should be the focus right now.
I think you're right. They need defense way more than offense now and there is no need to spend a high pick on a OL when we could target a passrusher or QB. I might be in the minority here, but I think they need tackle depth (and a starting RT) before any interior depth. Wrotto/Howard/Ubrik looked good enough at G to think we're ok for a game or two if one of the starters get injured. Since we haven't seen Wang, it's hard to say what we have in him, but he's basically it on the outside as far as depth. Maybe I'd feel better with Wrotto and Howard fighting it out for the last spot on the line instead fo the starting RT spot.
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We cut it pretty close again...
We won which was great. However, did anyone get the feeling that Chan didnt want fitz to throw a costly interception?
I know I did.
I think I read somewhere that Fitz got his right hand stepped on during the game. He had it wrapped up pretty good on Monday. My guess would be that they didn't want him to throw if he didn't have to.
Fitz got his throwing hand stepped on when the bozo jumped on him. He might have had some bruising starting...
Or what you said...
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Stange - I distinctly remember being roasted by the Jason Peters Fan Club when I stated that we got a future All-Pro in return for an aging malcontent.
I don't know if you can call a guy under 30 aging, but I agree with the rest.
Pre-game reading of the Declaration of Independence
in The Stadium Wall Archives
Posted · Edited by SuperKillerRobots
I personally find the proliferation of nationalism obscene. I don't want religion forced down my throat and I don't want government forced down my throat. The best part of our constitution is its allowance for changing the document itself, which means that the best part of our country is the people in it and their abilities and ideas. The constitution itself was written by people who if alive today would find the world unrecognizable to what it was when they were alive and their greatest legacy is that foresight and providing later generations a way to deal with what they knew they could never know.