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And that's why you guys don't have a clue. Our LB corps sucks and got run over. We are about the worst run offense in the league and get scorched by RB's and TE's in the passing game. LB's are a huge need.
Yes they are, for all the reasons you mentioned. But QB is need #1, and it's not even close. Then LT is need #2, and that's not even close to #3, which is probably LB. If Mitchell can't come back healthy, LB becomes a higher priority, but QB and LT are the two most important positions in the NFL.
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How about a QB to throw to WRs!!! A line to protect for said QB!! and a few LBs..... This team could have Larry Fitzgerald and Andre Johnson and still not make the playoffs
Seriously. We have 2 young WRs who'll be in their 3rd year (classic breakout year for WRs), and who both have legitimate prospects for success. Odds are, at least one pans out. Even if neither do, your 2nd WR isn't nearly as important as your first QB.
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Morgan a 3-4 LB? Not sure about that.
At 6-4, 275 lbs, he fits the mold of a 4-3 DE more than a 3-4 OLB. Not that 3-4 OLBs *can't* be that big, but Morgan's frame is basically the prototypical 4-3 end, left or right.
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He has a lot of big accomplishments over a LONG period of time. He redshirted then started ever since. Big accomplishments/numbers are nothing new to the MAC, Freddie Barnes made over 160 catches this year.
LeFevour is a product of Brain Kelly system. Sure Kelly left, but his system never left. The typical spread option run with tons of great crossing routes and screens mixed in. Passing ball control if you will…..
Lefevour was out of Shotgun most the time. He ran the ball a lot out of option looks. Mid level arm, mid level accuracy, he does have good size, and also has the look of an 18 year old.
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I’ve watched the guy a lot. Central Michigan is my former college’s biggest rival. I guess I just don’t see why so many are calling for the guy. He was a good college player, but I don’t see him transitioning at all to the NFL game. Maybe in the 5th or 6th round I would consider him.
Among QBs drafted in the first 2 rounds, the 2 college stats that most correlate with NFL success are games started and completion percentage. LeFevour scores very highly in both. Doesn't guarantee success by any means, but if NFL scouts judge him worthy of a 2nd-round pick, then there's a great chance he'll succeed.
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Why can't Williams be a NT? Explain..
Same reason Jeff Wright couldn't. Too small, won't take up 2 blockers, can't hold up at point of attack. Williams is a good 4-3 DT, but definitely not a 3-4 NT.
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QB at 9 this year is too desperate. To play in Buffalo, the QB has to have a certain personality. They have to have the attitude of a LB and the balls of a Buffalo. The most talented QB without these attributes will fail in Buffalo. It's a special town. A hard working town. That's why Cali boys can't make it here. McNabb won't make it. Claussen is too much of a pretty boy. Bradford is too weak. Don't know if anyone is out there that can make it this year. Pick the best OL or DL available that will fit the offense/defensive philosophy of the coach.....and hope again!
NO PROJECTS!!!
So what's the plan then, wait for Manning or Brees to become available in trade? Go after Big Ben? All rookie QBs are projects, and all established QBs get signed to big contract extensions. The only QBs that are ever available are the ones who aren't proven yet, or the ones that look to be over the hill.
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You're going to actually trade something for Troy Smith?
like, a 6th round pick?
Smith is a restricted free agent. If the Ravens tender him at the lowest level, signing him would cost a 5th-rounder in compensation, assuming the Ravens didn't match. I think they'll tender him either there or at the next level, which would mean a 2nd-rounder as compensation. That's too rich for my blood, but I'd be fine with the 5th-rounder.
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McCargo, and Preston worked for the Bills?
Right now, I agree, I would rather bringing in someone with some NFL experience to play LT just because the line is so young and inexperienced already, adding another rookie to start isn't going to help much right now
Neither McCargo, being a defensive lineman, nor Preston, being a fourth-round pick, is germane to this discussion of highly drafted offensive lineman.
But you know what is germane? Based on that list of Bills greats, it seems like the 2nd round has worked out great for us in terms of o-linemen. Something to keep in mind for all you "MUST DRAFT O-LINE IN THE FIRST ROUND" folks. You can get good ones in other rounds. Frequently.
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Love the Hansbrough comparison. Nails it.
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Why can't they just get a QB, let him sit for a season, and develop the line while the guys sits? Then you have both things improving without killing a Quarterback. Much more time efficient.
I don't think you know what your doing. You need a QB in development AS SOON AS POSSIBLE! It's gonna take some time anyway, and the line can come together in the meantime.
No, no no... everyone knows that rookie QBs have to start every game their rookie year. And if they don't get good protection that first year, they are guaranteed to flame out. I'm pretty sure Detroit has already given up on Matt Stafford, and it's all because they didn't put him behind a good o-line this year.
No, there's only 2 winning moves here:
1.) Go LT in the first round this year, RT in the first round next year, swing tackle in the first round in 2012, then draft a QB in 2013, and start winning big around 2015. Possibly as soon as 2014.
2.) Take a flyer on a mid-round QB every year, and given the <10% success rate on those guys, it should only take us 10 or 11 tries to find a Kyle Orton type. Super Bowl, here we come!
Look, no one is saying draft a QB in the first just for the sake of doing so. For example, if (when? I'm legitimately scared) the Bills draft Tebow at #9, I'll throw up. There's 2 QBs in this draft that rational people/scouts generally have first-round grades on. I doubt either one will last to #9, but if either does, he MUST be the pick. You can't just say you'll wait until the o-line is good, then draft a QB in the first round. Supply is very limited. Most years, there's either 2 or 3 QBs drafted in the first round. Sometimes one lasts to the late teens or early twenties, sometimes they're all gone around the top 10. When you have a chance at one, you have to take that chance.
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let's talk cap hit....
the #9 pick will probably get a 5yr / $ 35 mil deal (ave $7 mil / yr)
Donavan McNabb is heading into the second year of a 2yr / $24.5 mil deal (ave $12mil/yr)
he will demand an extension......or be very unhappy....or he could play out his one year deal and hit free agency....leaving us with nothing.
i'm not against trading my #1 pick..........but not for McNabb.
I love McNabb, but he's a little long in the tooth and in need of a contract to justify #9 overall. I was all for trading #11 for him last year (not that Philly would've done that deal), but that was last year.
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I'm guessing a 2nd rd pick this year and 4th next year might be enough do make the deal
I'd do that. Then you get the best left tackle available at #9, maybe grab another o-lineman in the 4th or 5th for depth, and spend the rest of the offseason fixing the defense.
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Sorry, but you are flat out wrong. The [Colts] used a #1 on LT Tarik Glenn and a #2 on RT Adam Meadows in the year immediately before they got Manning.
Good point, but it raises a good hypothetical: If the Colts had been in serious need of a LT in 1998, should they have passed on Manning in favor of a LT?
Given that the top 2 tackles drafted that year were Kyle Turley and Tra Thomas, the obvious answer is yes. But I think it's still equally obvious even if Jonathan Ogden had been in the draft that year. I'll take my chances with the Tony Ugohs of the world over the Elvis Grbacs of the world.
I'm curious as to your opinion on the matter.
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If Smith gets tendered at the lowest level, it would cost a 5th to sign him (assuming the Ravens don't match). I'd be fine with that. I wouldn't mind Campbell either, but the lowest tender means a #1 is the compensation. Yikes.
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^^^^^I think it's two 6th and two 7th, actually.
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But then what's the point of a QB if he has no time to throw the ball and no ability to run?
I must have missed the part where once you draft a potential franchise QB, you're then required to ignore the O-line forever. Good LTs are hard to find, but much easier to find than good QBs. Never pass on a potential franchise QB unless you already have an actual franchise QB on your roster.
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Depends on the player. But I'd be open to it.
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We're a team hungry for a QB. If you don't have a QB, you never pass up a chance to get a franchise QB. We can spend the remaining 8 picks on O-line if you want, just don't pass up a potential franchise QB.
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Does anyone want to talk about the merits of Troy Smith?
Wow, I was all set to post something about Whitner's chances of being cut, when your post reminded me that this is a Troy Smith thread.
I think Smith is an intriguing guy to throw into the mix. Remember, he had won the starting job over Flacco in preseason last year, but then he got hurt, and Flacco was too good to bench. On a smaller scale, could be like a Trent Green/Kurt Warner '99 Rams situation. Much smaller scale.
Smith is probably a lot better than anything we have on the roster now, but that doesn't mean much. The question is, how much would it cost to get him? If we're talking Brunell/Hasselbeck levels (something like a 3rd and a 5th), I think it's a decent gamble. No new contract until he proves it on the field, though. Worst case would be Rob Johnson Trade 2.0 - #9 overall pick AND a giant new contract before taking the field.
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What does it mean to make the “Pro Bowl” if the only reason you were “selected” is because you happened to be 7th alternate at QB?
David Garrard" is at least the seventh choice for a roster spot" behind Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, Carson Palmer, Matt Schaub, and Vince Young.
Is it still an honor to be selected “All-Pro” when the Pro Bowl members from the two best teams preparing for the Super Bowl are absent and alternates are asked to participate? Why play the Pro Bowl before the Super Bowl or even have the exhibition at all? There are now 14 “new” “Pro Bowlers” because of the missing Super Bowl team members.
Okay, if you list seven guys in front of him, that would make Garrard the eighth choice, not the seventh. But three guys make it, which means the fourth choice is the first alternate. So Garrard was the fifth alternate, not the seventh.
And yes, the Pro Bowl has gone from being a joke to being a farce. Wasn't this move supposed to make it more relevant, not less? I used to be the only person in the country who really enjoyed watching the Pro Bowl every year (and only partly ironically!), but I think those days are probably over. David Garrard had kind of a crappy year. Who wants to see him in the Pro Bowl?
Also, it's kind of a different point, but what's up with Kyle Vandenbosch and his 3.5 sacks getting in over Schobel and his 10 sacks? Maybe it's just payback for when Schobel made it with like 2 sacks all year.
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Orton, as mediocre as he is, would be an upgrade over what we've got now. I'd be okay with signing him, as long as it doesn't affect our draft board. I.e., if Clausen or Bradford somehow slips to #9, we draft him.
Derrick Johnson has been mentioned a lot here, and I like it. If we stick with a 4-3, one of the advantages is that we can try to poach good 4-3 guys who've been marginalized by their teams switching to 3-4s. Johnson and Glenn Dorsey in KC (although Dorsey would have to be a trade) and Aaron Kampman in GB come to mind. Whether through FA or trade, these guys will have relatively low price tags because they haven't been productive in the 3-4.
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The NFL should do like Hockey institute 20 minute overtimes. If score is still tied than another after a 10 minute intermission. This way each team should get the ball and is forced to try to score the most TDs vs FGs
I agree. Also, like in hockey, overtime should be played on ice.
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If you son was playing against the bills in the superbowl, who would you cheer for? Your sons team or the Bills?
I'd like a paternity test before answering this question.
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Except the return of Aaron Schobel.
I agree with you generally, however, that the line played better than two seasons ago. Sanders has to get some of the credit for that.
Whoops, yeah, I forgot about that. But Kelsay actually looked like a real NFL player this year, which was a major change. And Kyle Williams and Spencer Johnson both looked the best I've seen them.
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Sign which free agent QB?