Mike formerly from Florida
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First...........I also want to say that Stephen Jackson came from the Pac-10 just recently as well.
Forget Reggie Bush.
Jackson should be the standard.
For the record. I like Lynch at #12.
Second......people put way too much stock in combine/pro-day results and 40 times.
Is Lynch a football player on the field? Heck yes.
Forget him...Marv will NEVER draft him. You can mark it down.
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I take it you're relatively new here.
uhhh nooo...I actually posted under a different name and have a combined total of 7,883 posts.
Even his response to my diatribe was long-winded.
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1. Trust in Marv and the team.
2. We want character players. It seems to be working.
I AGREE WITH YOU!
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Snore. Not sure if Crow is giving you happy endings for all of the crap you keep tossing out, but Crow is not the answer in the middle. In fact, we would be better off if we got another LB and Crow played only in nickle packages with Spikes, Ellison and the other LB playing the majority of the downs.
Not tot be mean-spirited because I'm sure PG is a nice person, but a lot of his posts are just long-winded nonsense. If he would encapsulate into maybe 6 or 7 sentences, I might respect the posts more whether i agree or not.
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Bills win a Superbowl. I can earn $10k easily enough.
Bills win a Superbowl! That brings more happiness than $10K. $10K doesn't buy much today.
$100K and now it is a tough decision because that is 'somewhat' life-changing money.
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I got to meet Takeo last year doing his rehab down in Atlanta. He worked out at the same gym as me. (Also saw Jamal Lewis and Hines Ward there as well for what its worth) The man was not very positive about the upcoming season, and was very pissed when the Bills took Whitner with the first pick instead of Ngata or Bunkley. While he was working out hard, his attitude about the team in general was pretty poor. I think he is a clubhouse lawyer who is only happy when he has a lot of veterans surrounding him. (gives him that comfort zone) His play last year for the most part was average on good days and god awful on other days. Did you ever remember guys running thru his tackles like they did last year? I won't lose sleep if he gets cut or traded. The national media will roast us if we cut him, but at this point in his career he is just a name. The guy had no lateral movement whatsoever last year.
Yeah, although I agree with the poster above who said it is a two year injury and we should see him out one more year, I think this situation is clearly about his attitude and locker-room lawyering. Marv may think he will hurt the team's chemistry. The money is large, but it may be a smokescreen for what they really want to do...get rid of his tainted attitude. If we can get a fourth or even a fifth, plus we can get another player because of the freed up cash it will be worth it in the eyes of the Bills. So, don't look at releasing him for a low pick as a bad trade if we can grab someone in free agency for the money his release saves us.
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I guess if I was a learned man I would go out on a limb and choose someone other than the Bills. But, you know hope burns eternal and I really believe in the emphasis that is being placed on character now. I'm going with the Bills!
The problem with predictions is that people too often rely on last year's teams records. There is no way Indy goes back after losing all those defensive free agents, and the Saints won duly to momentum caused by Katrina with the media using them as a storyline, and the NFL profiting by mandating the refs give them some games. The fact is their defense is a little less than horrible. They still can lose Charles Grant and if so, their defense goes further south (no pun intended) than it already was. I think we need to look at teams that showed progress, momentum, and have a chip on their shoulder. That's why I pick San Diego because they learned something from last year just as the Colts and Steelers the year before had learned from their playoff struggles. Even though NE is much better on paper, they are getting older in some positions, and I think the Bellichick mystique is over.
In the NFC, it is a matter of elimination, and I don't expect Chicago to go back. I say with a bit caution Carolina will bounce back from an off year as a lot of good teams have done in the past (remember the '89 Bills).
My pick: Carolina over San Diego
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I knew this was the "Greatest RBs of the Jim Brown era and beyond" thread. I just knew it.
Hey with some of the kids on this board, it's the Barry Sanders era and beyond thread. At least I moved it back 40 years.
I couldn't say anything about Motley I have never seen, heard, or read anything about him.
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do you know what type of track it was on? He ran 4.62 at the combine I am pretty amazed he dropped his time by a quarter of a second (0.25).
4.37 is superhuman for a middle linebacker. That surpasses Cornelius Bennett's times.
I doubt that number is real.
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The guy was a phenomenal linebacker, but top ten running back? C'mon, now.
Greatest RBs? Here's 10, in no particular order:
Jim Brown (okay, he's first, so the rest are in no particular order)
Barry Sanders (awesome; wonder what he would've done w/ a line like Emmitt had)
Gayle Sayers (injuries cut his career short, but he still was awesome)
TMEP
Eric Dickerson (had great lines, which helped him play long enough to showcase his brilliance)
Red Grange (dominated pro ball like no RB before and only Jim Brown did afterward)
Walter Payton (Sweetness is a favorite because of his combination of speed, grace, and ruthless power)
Earl Campbell (Skoal Brotha was as powerful as any back to ever play; injuries and brutal style have taken quite a toll on him though)
Tony Dorsett (give him a slight edge over Thurm, but both are worthy)
Marion Motley (great runner, maybe even better pass protector)
Who is TMEP?
Where is OJ?
I don't think one can include pre-Jim Brown era as greatest. They just weren't the physical beasts the players have been since.
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Good find, you beat me to it. I saw this as well, he specifically mentioned that teams in the top half of the draft expressed dissapointment in his medical results. hmm wonder if we were one of them.
This could be exactly what we need to drop down in the 20s and pick up another 2 and 4.
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Mike, I agree with you - a lot of people on here (heck, myself included as I'm only 36!) are pretty young and they dont really have a good frame of reference for the greatness of OJ or Jim Brown's total DOMINANCE, and with Jim it was more than simply a physical dominance, though that was a big part of it, he was also overpowering from a psychological standpoint and unlike any other back I've ever seen run or even heard about he could truly take over the game and in fact, he usually did.
One thing I am mildly surprised about after reading all the posts so far is that no one else mentioned Bo Jackson - I mean I know his career was abbreviated, but if you just take into account the things he did before he got hurt, he is the only person that ever even remotely reminded me of Jim Brown - he was as big as most of the linebackers and as fast or faster than most of the DB's - he could run over you, put a move on you or just drag you to the end zone on any play.
Yes and Gale Sayers was great too.. I missed him on my list. He was a Thurman type player but was smoother and faster.
My list (based on dominance in their era--not necessarily stats):
Jim Brown (didn't see him play--didn't have to--highlights and popularity say it all)
OJ (Just fukin unbelievable--more exciting than any pass play--3rd and 5--give the ball to OJ)
Walter Payton (smidge below OJ--fun to watch)
Gale Sayers (smooth, finesse, better version of Marshall)
Earl Campbell (WOW!! Massive dominating back impossible to tackle on first and second hit--style shortened career)
Barry Sanders (too many negative runs hurt Detroit at the wrong times)
Eric Dickerson (in his case stats count..but a very bland running style-more like a thoroughbred)
Marshall Faulk (better version of Thurman)
Bo Jackson (Earl Campbell with OJ speed--would be higher if played longer)
Emmitt Smith (low on the list because his play was elevated by massive, great line
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I watched that too and I was ticked off as how they ended the show saying they would show his 10 top highlights; they only showed 5 and within that found a way to throw in a clip of him forgetting his helmet before Sb XXVI; that's not a highlight!
Why does the media keep picking on that moment when someone moved his helmet? He didn't forget it!! Let it alone already!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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We still need to probably throw in a reach around.
Sometimes it takes a player a few years to develop...maybe this year he busts through.
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You don't average over 4 yards in the NFL without being a good back. I wish we could get him for a 3rd, that would be perfect.
He's worth more than a 3rd and that won't get him. He's a proven commodity and you can't call anyone a back-up who plays behind LT because everyone in the league would be a bck-up to LT including the KC starter. I give up the 2nd and 6th if necessary. Draft Willis in the first and get your
DT and CB depth in the third and you've had a gem of a draft which includes a great back.
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That's right! Settle in front of the tube at 6:30 with a beer and a pocketful of high hopes while awaiting the talking heads to spew what great fortune awaits the Bills.
Come 7:30, reach for the anti-depressants, kick the dog and call it a night after having heard the forecast that awaits the Bills according to said talking heads.
Kick a dog and I'll be waiting to kick your asz...mother-
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signed him to a 1 year deal.
what a big off season for them in Free Agency!!! they are upgrading a very good team. they are going to be a force in the AFC this year...
whatever, go bills!!
Like San Fran did a few years ago with signing players under the table, I believe Denver is doing the same...I wouldn't put it past that owner.
Otherwise, the media-darling Broncos have been provided a different cap level by the league something like $334MM.
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Bob Sanders.
Dungy said they made some scheme changes as well..but you're right...Sanders was a big difference.
So you see how a solid strong safety can make a diff in the run defense in the cover 2 as opposed to the lineman up front. Interesting.
I think Marv might shock us again with that 1st pick only because they "know" something (and more) than we do.
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David Pattion: garbage, but something tells me that if hes cut that he'll end up back in a pats uni by the end of the year. Mark it 8.
I thought David Patton was a pretty explosive player..didn't he pass, run, and catch a TD all in one game?
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they think there's been a nauseating influx of new posters during the off-season
I didn't know this board was an exclusive club!
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Jim Brown was the greatest of all time, no one else is even a close 2nd
For the kids who never seen OJ, putting him any thing below #2 is pure ignorance...and I say that in a nice way. Criminal aside, any one over the age of 42 will agree with me, I'm sure. Payton, Sanders, Dickerson were great...but Brown and OJ were the greatest. They were powerful, can run as fast as anyone (anyody who doubts OJ's speed..he ran a 9.1 100 yard sprint) could cut on the dime, had great balance, and could push a pile as well as anyone. Payton is a smidge behind OJ. Sanders was exciting but he had a lot of negative runs. Then the list tails off. Neither is Emmitt or Dickerson close...they were fast through the hole and strong, but straight line runners. LT is the same type of back.
I give Earl Campbell a possible #4 all time back and Thurman is in top 12 to 15 pure running skill, but top 10 all-around.
Forget it. Don't even argue if you haven't seen OJ run...he was simply phenomenal.
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i dont think it speaks of Ashton's skills if they pick a CB on the first day.
That's exactly my point.
And we really don't know how good or ready he is until the draft happens. It's all speculation at this point.
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I for one would like to see what he can do... He was a top 5 CB in last years draft so we all know he has talent. I think the best thing happened when he wasn't thrown right into the fire and was allowed a year to play a few downs and learn HOW to play and do things at the NFL level. I think he will be better than we all think because of this and we will have a slight drop off from the play there last year.
My 2 cents
I think it will be obvious by how the Bills draft what they think of Ashton. If they think he is ready or is a real player waiting to happen (which none of us knows like the brass does) we will not be drafting a corner early. If they do draft a corner high, then we got some problems for 2007. I think the strategy of the draft will be to tighten the run and at the same time find a pass rusher. Sound simple enough?
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I think either Pennington or Butler gets the RT slot and Walker gets RG. It will be cool to have some depth--Pennington or Butler (whomever loses the RT competition) as 3rd tackle, Preston and Whittle on the interior...we could actually consider ourselves two deep...wow...that's a far cry from none deep.
Seriously, will there be an issue of JP seeing over the 6'8" Walker if he is at Guard?
When thinking about all the anti-Buffalo bashing
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I was born near NYC, but have loved the Bills with passion since 1975. I've been to the city/games several times and have nothing but good things to say about the people, the food, and the area. I can honestly say the average Joe in the street does not really have anything bad to say about Buffalo...the fact is the weather in Chicago and Boston is just as bad. It is the media that hypes up the jokes because money drives everything in television and Buffalo does not represent high Neilsen ratings to these clowns who call themselves impartial journalists.
It is ESPN that is the national joke...that EVERYONE knows!!!!