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    Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State

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    2 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

    Coleman is basically seems Gabe Davis with better hands. 
     

    I don’t know if that’s really what we needed.

     

    Another WR please

    Gabe with better hands would be really good. The drops were the biggest problem. And for those calling him Kelvin Benjamin, if we could get Benjamin before he decided that he liked eating more than football then that is a 1,000 yard guy.

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    The Bills are on the clock: Pick 33

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    3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

     

    Keon Coleman is reportedly very high football character. He is motivated to do well in the NFL so he can provide for his family. He is definitely a character fit for us. Physically he has the tools that I know Beane would love. And he's young, just about to turn 21 in May.

    I can't get past the fact that in all the highlights from FSU and MSU, he is never once shown running behind the defense. That that's in college, where guys get WIDE open all the time. He has good hands, but can he make those contested catches over Sauce Gardner and Jalen Ramsay?

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    The Bills are on the clock: Pick 33

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    Just now, OldTimer1960 said:

    Justin Shorter was a top WR recruit coming from H.S. and he was picked late in the 5th round.  I don’t like Franklin’s route running, contested catches ability or ability to play strong on the boundary.  FWIW, Greg Cosell didn’t exactly articulate a ringing endorsement today on Buffalobills.com

    I'm not sure Greg Cosell likes any players.

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    Trying to be reasonable here

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    Just now, SDS said:


    I just listened to this after your comment. He absolutely did not say he absolutely was going to pick at 32. While I would have to go back to “his exact words, I think he said “we FIGURED we would pick at 32.” Then he said he talking to his friend Dan and they decided differently. 
     

    Figured is not even close to absolutely.

    what he figured out is that Carolina was not going to take who the Bills wanted, so why not pick up a free 4th rounder?

    PFF Trade Grades - Round 1 - Bills B+ and A

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    5 minutes ago, Logic said:


    Yeah.

    It was a combination of me liking Worthy a lot and disliking the Chiefs a lot.

    So to sit around for three plus hours eagerly awaiting the Bills pick, then to see that the guy I liked was still on the board, then to see that we traded that pick to the Chiefs, then to see them use that pick to take the player I liked....I was pissed. 

    Emotions sometimes win out over calm-headed logic. I am human.

    I STILL don't love handing a 4.21 receiver to a team we historically can't stop in the playoffs, but I'll live.

    Watch this three times and call me in the morning

     

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    PFF Trade Grades - Round 1 - Bills B+ and A

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    16 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said:

    Interesting analysis on the 5th year option and 1st v. 2nd rd salaries and new CBA.  Seems consensus now is that it's better to pick in the top of the 2nd then in the bottom of the 1st.   

    5th year options are usually meaningless. If the player is good enough to warrant it, teams usually will extend them before that. If they are not, they just decline it. The only time that it comes into play is when guys are on the line of being good enough, like Tua.

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    Trying to be reasonable here

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    3 hours ago, Sweats said:

    A couple of things.....

     

    * This is no place to be reasonable

    * I have no idea what the FO is planning.......and neither do you

    * I imagine somewhere, someone has a plan

    * It made me sick that i stayed up till 11:30 last night to watch a Bills pick that didn't happen

    * That is all......carry on

    And then I couldn't sleep after and had to take a sleeping pill and I overslept my alarm clock. I had to take a sick day.  Thanks Beane!

    The Bills are on the clock: Pick 33

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    8 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said:


    Haha, but even if that’s true.. Dejean seems like he realistically has a chance to be the 2nd best safety in football. Especially in this defense.
     

    Which of the remaining wide receivers seems likely to be a top 10 WR? 

    You could put a prime Ronnie Lott on the Bills and he would make less difference than a solid #2 WR. Remember, we not only lost Diggs. We also lost Gabe Davis. Beane created a huge hole and now he has to fill it. 

    The Bills are on the clock: Pick 33

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    3 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said:


    It’s crazy if you would rather the team reach for a suboptimal prospect instead of taking one with much higher potential to make a difference. 
     

    Beane’s miscalculations at WR up to now is not a good reason to want to see him make another potential error. 
     

    I mean if you’ve got a strong and high opinion on the remaining WR prospects, I get it. And that’s fine.

     

    But if I’m looking at it pragmatically, I’m not picking WR at 33 just to do it. We’re obviously going to add bodies to this position in this draft, but I’ve got no problem if they wait until 60 or move up from 60 to do it. It’s same difference to me. 

    I hear you. I really do. I understand not drafting for need and picking the BPA. But what we have right now is not an NFL WR corp. They are all WR #3s at best. This is why I hated the idea of trading Diggs and replacing him in the draft because you never know how a draft board will fall and even if you get your guy there are no guarantees that you hit.  The Bills simply cannot go into the year with those as our WRs. They just can't.

    The Bills are on the clock: Pick 33

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    1 minute ago, UKBillFan said:

     

    Not to derail the thread but I think Diggs was traded because they had hoped to smooth over his relationship with Josh in the close season but hadn't managed to do so. There was too much animosity either one or both ways to get over and the Bills decided to cut him loose rather than try to manage it for another year. It wasn't planned, it wasn't what they wanted to do, and it's left them in a quandary as, as much as people may moan about the likes of Worthy and Legette, neither are championship standard #1 WRs (yet).

     

    My hope is the pooling of picks is part of a plan to throw some at a veteran wide receiver (Aiyuk/Samuel or Sutton seem most likely) to take over that role. Then draft Franklin or McConkey as #4. I think it's the best the Bills can do considering the current situation. 

    Every time I read posts by you I have to remember that "close season" is British for "off-season."  But yeah, I agree with your post. They didn;t play this. But the inaction by Beane on this front displays a lack of urgency. I know that you can't draft for need, but at this point Josh is practically throwing the ball to himself, and this is after Beane talked about needed "explosive plays."

    The Bills are on the clock: Pick 33

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    1 minute ago, UKBillFan said:

     

    Fair enough. Was just emphasising the Bills could send two seconds to the 49ers without losing both from this year.

     

    33 for DeJean, then 60 and a 2025 2nd for Aiyuk, with the 49ers eating part of the contract?

    Aiyuk is asking for a trade because he wants a massive extension. How can the Niners eat part of a contract he doesn't have yet? 

    The Bills are on the clock: Pick 33

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    Just now, UKBillFan said:

     

    The Bills could send them 33 or 60 plus a second from 2025 - it'd still leave them with a pick in round two next year. If the 49ers are happy to eat some of his contract as well...

     

    The more time goes on the more I think Diggs' trade was down to desperation to get him out of the building rather than a carefully planned transition. But I imagine, to others, that was obvious from the start.

    I actually think that the Panthers did this because they needed to foster some goodwill with their downtrodden fan base and wanted to give them something to talk about on night one of the draft. Because it is obvious that they could have had Leggett at 33. I also think that the Chiefs could have stayed at 32 and taken Worthy. In  both cases Beane got something for nothing. But I still hate what he did in the context of the Diggs trade. If we still had Stef, it would be OK to trade down and take a DB with 33 and get a complementary WR later in round two. But we have a gaping hole at one of the 2-3 positions that actually win football games (QB, pass catchers, pass rush) but it seems like Beane is acting like a grandpa and shaking his cane and yelling "defense wins championships!!!!!!"

    So day 1 was a bust

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    2 minutes ago, BobbyC81 said:


    I now envision that the 1st pick of the 2nd will be Dejean so they can play him at safety.  Then maybe they take a WR with their original 2nd.

     

    I just can’t get over trading with KC so they can add an offensive weapon.  There had been talk of KC trying to move ahead of the Bills to get a WR ahead of them, but instead the Bills helped them.

     

    You just don’t do that when the other team is one you haven’t been able to beat in the playoffs. 
     

    I’ve disagreed in the past with those wanting McD fired.  Now, if KC wins a 3rd straight Super Bowl, beating the Bills to get there again, I’d get rid of the whole lot of them.

    The Bills must of really thought low about Worthy to make that move. 

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