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im in for 2 (3 if possible)

I just read about the back surgery, i take that back LOL.. 8M a year for a TE that isn't top 10.. i woulda brought back Chandler and taken someone in the draft.

Where does Charles Clay rank? I love the fact that our owners have directed management to do whatever it takes to makes the Bills a contender again, but when I look at the offer for Charles Clay (5yr 38M with 20M of that guaranteed). Just to put things in perspective, Julius Thomas signed a 5yr 46M (with 24M guaranteed). I appreciate the fact that Clay will be a good fit for the system that Rex wants to implement, but I scratch my head wondering if we might be mortgaging our future on a guy who probably isn't even a top 10 tight end in the league today. I get that he blocks, can line up a number of places, and has good hands etc...but he aint no 8M a year TE. I think a more conservative and better approach would have been to sign a guy like Jermain Gresham. He can probably do everything we need from Clay and comes in at a fraction of the cost. Is Clay even a top 10 TE, because he'll sure as hell be paid like one if the Phins don't match (God i hope they do) Where does he fit? Gronk Graham Julius Thomas Martellus Bennet Greg Olsen Vernon Davis Antonio Gates Jason Witten Kyle Rudolph Fleener Jordan Cameron Dwayne Allen Dennis Pitta Larry Donnel Zach Ertz Travis Kelce If Clay is on the list, he's definitely near the bottom end. He's not worth the money and we will pay for this in the long run. What are your thoughts on where he fits in that list?

Hey guys, Looking to buy an authentic Bills jersey. I checked out NFLshop and I noticed for big market teams they offer an authetic game day jersey, but for smaller market teams like the bills, browns etc. best available to us is the nike elite. Just wanted to know if they sell authentic one's at the rich? Or where I can get my hands on one (spiller)

Hey Guys. I haven't been active on this board for a while but trust that Ive been lurking around reading your opinions. My take on the bills is that its looking REALLY possible that the 1st overall pick is in our very near future (duh! lol). This is a bad team, and i think it starts top down from the GM to the scouts to the players/personnel. Now before all you Nix fans and Gailey fans start cutting me up, hear me out. First, i am of the opinion that you don't trade lynch and you don't draft spiller in the first round PERIOD. Not when your a team that has a legit starter in Lynch and a very serviceable Freddy Jackson coming off a 1000+ yard season. If we could agree on any position that the bills were set on, RB would be the consensus. From what I've seen of the bills leading up to this season, we needed help in a LOT of areas, and trading the 9th pick in the draft to land more early round selections would have made sense IMO. Anyways, that said.. i strongly believe (and will continue to unless recent evidence comes to prove otherwise) that we were offered more than a 4th for Lynch this past draft. So this trade was a loss! Secondly, the team drafted troup w/ our 2nd pick. One would expect that a 2nd round pick is definitely gonna be a starter for your squad, but i have barely seen the kid touch the field..this ALREADY tells me that Nix doesn't got a CLUE! Mike Mayock who i think is probably the most legit college analyst out there, had 3-4 other DT rated ahead of him and its clear to see he was right. Moving on to another bonehead move by nix, he chose to get into a bidding contest with himself for the service of Chris Kelsay. A serviceable defensive player for the bills, who probably would not start on the majority of NFL teams in this league. Paying him 24million is ludacris for his production. I watched the jets game closely last week, dude does not belong on an NFL field playing LB. Honestly, how can I take him serious after this move. Im going to give Gailey the benefit of the doubt. He really came out of left field when he was announced as the head coach. I was hoping the bills go for Marc Tresman of the Montreal Alouettes, he's been coaching them to championships year after year. But for now, Ill be patient with Gailey. I really thought the organization was going in the right direction when we drafted Wood and Levitre, I was like FINALLY the team is going to address this horrible line. Losing peters has hurt, but completing ignoring this line in the draft will hurt us more (i woulda loved to see bruce campbell in a bills uni). BTW it really erks me how we've had so many misses in the first few rounds of the draft. James Hardy, Roscoe Parrish, maybin etc Anyways, a lot of what I am saying has already happened and been touched on. I just hope we get locker, and draft OT maybe pick up another WR early in the draft as well.

Talent in terms of WR is more than sufficient. We have gone through many a OC and different playbooks i assume.. But the one thing i've noticed in common between JP and TE for a while now in comparison to other above avg/elite QB's in the league is trust in their WR's. Watching the mannings, brees, rivers, even warner when he's got time...u'll notice they trust their WR. They throw the ball even before the WR makes their break in anticipation of where they are giong to be... basically they LET the WR make the play. I remember moss saying back in the day, just throw it up and i'll go get it...thats the vibe i get from these QB's and its clear in their play. They have built that rapport Watching JP and TE over the years, you'll notice that they dont trust their WR's. They ONLY throw the ball exact when the WR makes the hook...The ball arrives a few seconds late, and its a catch...but its rarely a play where the WR is shocked to get the ball if u get my drift? Iono speak on it

I know we are deep at corner, but in this league u need atleast 3 that are capable to hold their own. Especially with the frequency of injuries and what not. I know we got youtoby, but i don't think he can hold greer's water. He was coming along sooo good tho, it totally sucks being a farm team in this league! Ps i would probably start him over mcgee, just because i like his size, and his speed is pretty good (since he used to be a track star at tenn i believe). aw well, no sense in cryin over spilt milk, i'm done lol

experiment with players who have underachieved in their initial position with the team. The first name that comes to mind is.. Donte Whitner - He's a great locker room guy, has strong leadership qualities, and many of times I have seen the team huddle around him when he rallies the defense. - I'll give credit where its due, Whitner is solid against the run. On many occasions he has done an excellent job of blitzing and stopping the RB at or before the LOS, as well as showing a decent pass rushing skills. But the fact remains, dude is HORRIBLE against the pass, and this past week against the Jets magnified his weakness. Favre had a terrible game, but the only success he had was with the WR/TE that was being covered by Whitner. A few seasons ago we signed Jason Peters as a TE, he ballooned up over the off season while maintain his agility and solid footwork translating into a solid Tackle in the league, some would argue easily top 5 in the NFL. Why get the training staff to help Whitner put on some weight properly, and move him to OLB. His coverage skills are bad, but i think comparable to any OLB in the league. I know his height may be an issue, but at SS he's just not cutting it. What do you guys think?

Why on God's green earth, with the offensive line FOR ONCE actually appearing to control the line of scrimmage and get a significant push, did we resort to not ONE but TWO pass plays just 2-3yards away from the endzone. I don't understand, i just don't. Marshawn had a fabolous game! Dockery and Peters had their best games of the season I thought (aside from the block in the back on Dockery) in terms of controlling the line and creating gaping holes. 4 trips to the endzone, not one attempt to carry the ball with Lynch and Co. I'm baffled...and yeaa... - This season, can be measured up by two games. Not who we beat, but who beat us.. San Fran and the Browns...maybe we're not there just yet. - Edwards had a horrible month stretch of football. When he's on, you gotta love him, but when he's off dude stays ice cool for a while...and that doesn't make you feel too optimistic about him or JP for that matter - Duke preston, aside from the fumble play appears to be playing better and getting comfortable in the center position. Yea he got blown up and beat up by Jenkins, but come to think of it, who hasn't gotten beat by Jenkins? - Lots of dinks and dunks this game, and lots of drop balls by Lynch, the FB (i don't even care what his name is), Jackson had that drop on that screen play with no one even in a 5 yr radius. - Our needs on D seem pretty clear, Ellison is just wack i'm sorry. We need a threat at OLB, a pash rusher/ good tackler. We also are in need of another formidable DT to play along side stroud. And ONE defensive end that can get decent pressure before we can start calling this defence a DEFENCE. Don't get me wrong, they didn't play half bad this week...but again it was the 49ers' they're suppose to get man handled. And Hill shouldn't be moving the ball so easy with Bruce (yea called him ageless, but he beat mckelvin BADDD lool) Thats pretty much it on my end

in 2007 we picked up FA's to help bolster our O-line Langston Walker and Derrick Dockery This year, the Jets picked up Alan Faneca and Damien Woody If you had a choice between either of the two options...who would you prefer

As far as Lee Evans being considered as good as Santana Moss, L. Coles or Steve Smith... Lets be real folks... Steve Smith is a Top 3 wideout, point blank PERIOD! So take him out of the equation As far as S. Moss, i think he brings a lot more to the table than Lee. I find he's a playermaker. He can return punts and take them all the way to the house. He can do the same with a reverse, he does a lot with screen plays. I just like the way the skins use him, he's a TOTAL threat. Whereas lee, beats you with the same play every week and you gotta give him credit for that. But the thing that separates Lee from these two wideouts, is their ability to consistently take a 5,10,15,20 yard pass to the house. How often have you seen lee do that?? Lee will beat you going deep, thats a given! But steve and moss can beat you deep just as well as Lee can, but they do those things that you gotta admire with slants and hitch routes and its fun to watch. Coles is just meh...doesn't really impress me. I'd take Lee over him anyday.. And moss of lee? lol is that even a serious question...obvious randy in a heartbeat

Oline -In terms of pass protection this team done better than what expected initially. Sometimes it seems as if TE has all day back there to go through his progression. - Our run blocking is horrendous. And considering we got one of hte most beefiest Oline's in the league. Thats pretty wack, these guys should be bodying their opposition and having their way with them on the LOS. -Jason Peters appears like he is regressing. He went from almost never getting beat last season, sure fire probowler and elite LT to now..getting beat at once or twice a game whereby the passrusher goes right through him ala Joey Porter did for the safety. I think most of the blame goes to him missing training camp but yea... - Dockery...wow, I don't know what to say about this guy. If i remember correctly, he got a pretty decent contract 5-6million per year. Dude hasn't impressed me at all, his play is average at best. I really wish we could have signed Steinbach when he became a FA (now with the browns i think). - These two players are suppose to be our allpro's. What comes to mind is when we need that all important 1 yard to convert a 3rd or score...everyone should know who we are running behind. But i just don't feel as confident with them like I was season. - Folwer average. - Brad Butler= VALUE! But he should be a backup. - Walker, I have had no problems with his play. He has been a bright spot IMHO. TE- Wow, Robert Royal is a team captain folks! Just found that out recently watching Off the Record with Michael Landsberg. No comment. The man's play speaks for itself. DLine - Is it just me or is stroud appearing to have less of an impact? Or are teams just doubling/tripling him? Either way, his first couple of games he was a menace and now he's almost non existant. - The rest of the guys are pretty average aside from Schoebel. YOu can tell that we miss him. Anderson has been playing solid. Secondary - I think it would have been a wise move to have put mcgee in the nickel position for his firs week back to game action. He got BURNED. I have never seen the kidd get beat as badly as he was against the phins. I was feeling for him, really i was! - Gotta love whitner, dude is a straight STEAL! - Greer is becoming a lockdown corner, i think we need to sign the kidd long term.

i guess the article i was reading was outdated. Because it stated that Larry was a free agent at the end of the season. my bad folks... but the question still stands...9mill for Lee evans considering the quality of other WR in the league..

Im sorry, i love the guy. I think he's been a solid player for him, no off the field issues, he wants to win. He's got everything you want in a player. With that being said, he was seriously compensated for his services to a tune of 9million a season!!! Making him i believe the highest paid WR in the game right now... For a guy that is mainly known as a deep threat wideout, not yet thought of in the league as a complete threat. Teams pretty much strategize for him by taking away his deep ball threat. I consider him the poor man's steve smith..he's good but not Steve Smith GOOD! The question I ask you guys, is do you think Lee was worth 9million. Especially with a guy like Larry Fitzgerald becoming available for free agency at the end of the season?? Assuming of course he doesn't extend with Arizona.. I think we should have held off signing the kid and waited to see how the situation with larry panned out. If Larry signed before the end of the season, I think that would be a good time to sign Lee. again what do you guys think?

with losing 17 players last season to injuries, you really start to appreciate depth and luck! (luck as in staying healthy). Last week we lose McGee, who has been playing amazing football for us. Jabari Greer has played at a level beyond anyone of us could have ever anticipated since being picked up by us and i`m sure the 32 other NFL teams wished they drafted the kid. Something has suddenly clicked for Ashton Y and he seems to `get it.` Both players are capable of starting and taking on top talent in this league, and luckily we got McKelvin to step up and gain some valuable experience and playtime in the nickel position. As good as Freddie Action Jackson played on punt returns, I would like to see McKelvin handling PR as well as KR duties for the bills. McKelvin is about to earn his 1st round draft pick slot! Stay tuned folks

OLINE and DLINE in football... Nuff said LT John Tait- one of the best in the league, LJ is missin him in KC LG- Ruben brown - i think his lack of talent with the bills team made him have to compensate n do too much for us. surround him with ppl that can hold their own ucan see wat he can do C- Olin kruetz...best in the league RG- robert garza - blue collar..can hold his own RT- Fred Miller - former starting LT that protected mcnairs blindside Defense... Harris is a monster...two very good ends in brown n ogunleye.. the bills oline will get molested

OLINE and DLINE in football... Nuff said LT John Tait- one of the best in the league, LJ is missin him in KC LG- Ruben brown - i think his lack of talent with the bills team made him have to compensate n do too much for us. surround him with ppl that can hold their own ucan see wat he can do C- Olin kruetz...best in the league RG- robert garza - blue collar..can hold his own RT- Fred Miller - former starting LT that protected mcnairs blindside Defense... Harris is a monster...two very good ends in brown n ogunleye.. the bills oline will get molested

whos left? any ideas of the top OC n DC left in the league.... Dear god plz don't let jauron bring in that Shoop guy! i'll b good i promise

bad move! The team is young, and as bad as our D played last year we are one run stopping DT and a healhty TKO away from playing respectable Defence. For the last 3 years the bills offense has been inept, this whole last season there wasn't a game where a QB threw over 300 yards, or a wideout that dominated a game ala steve smith, or a HUGE monster game by willis. This coaching move was CRITICAL to the development of JP, and I think the bills muffed this call. Giving Mike Sherman the HC position, and then bringing in DJ as a DC would have been sound, but since we messed that up, all the 'good' OC have been giving head coaching jobs, so now whose gonna fill that gap? I hopefully DJ makes some great coaching acquisitions, and assembles a great staff. But with a lot of coaching already finding jobs, the pickings are SLIM... this might be another bad year folks...

I don't get it...wat 3 names are u talking about??

Sorry STEVE SMITH was drafted in the 3rd round... BTW, can i say that i think he is the BEST all around WR in the league... Best Route runner, i think he runs CRISP routes...he will beat u with the deep ball... can go over the middle...and ALWAYS finds a way to get open.. LEE Evans is good...but damn...he aint run routes like my man steve

Wow they did a great job with that franchise... Great job Drafting: Wow, no misses here...except for maybe K. Colbert...But wow thats impressive - Peppers (1st round) - Jordan Gross (1st round) - Chris Gamble (1st round) - Steve Smith (1st round) - Deshaun Foser (2nd rounder) - Will witherspoon - Mike Minter (2nd round) - Mike Rucker (2nd round) - Dan Morgan (1st round) And Offseason Acquisitions: - Ken Lucus (shutdown corner for less than 4 mill per season) - Jeff Mitchell (one of the best C's from seattle) - Delhomme -(banaid solution) - Mike Wahle- (great pick up from the packers) - Mike McRee

MADD BUFFALO DISEASE GUY.... while he was ACTIVE...he might as well been placed on IR...cuz he did NOTHING!!

my balls about bring in some tier 2 free agents....get a life!! Your living in a fantasy world if you think the bills will pick up the top OT, top OG, top C, top DE, and top WR available in free agency. Its HIGHLY unlikely especially since the year of the cap, the best you can do is bring in 1 maybe 2 top FA's and get a bunch of other solid replacements. Some ppl were saying that all the bills do is bring in tier 2 free agents...and your right, that is what we do..and that is also what the rest of the league does. If you want to build a team, you do it through the great drafting, solid off season acquisitions, and GREAT coaching. The Tampa bay bucs won a championship with a journeyman QB, a weak RB(pittman) and a nice fullback, a possession WR, and a makeshift O-line (kenyatta walker n oben come to mind)... The d was good for years, but wen this team traded away a LOT of picks to the Raiders for gruden the team was left with no option but to get the talent via free agency and it wasn't ALL PRO's that they were signing! Simple, coachable, smart players that won't blow up the stat's sheet, but do the little things. Take a look at the Patriots.. whenever they get a player who thinks he is 'bigger' than the system, or when he feels he could get more money elsewhere the pats let em GO!! EX. Damien Woody- a great centre, had some injury problems, but got a lot more money elsewhere, and the pats let him go *their entire left side of the Oline are rookies and if you watched the game last NIGHT they played GREAT...the tackle from Toledo was taken in the 3rd round DAMMIT and the guard was taken with their first overall pick. *their secondary with the exception of the ONE star player (Harrison) who by the way is injured!! is comprised of late round draft picks...eugene wilson, Asante Samuel...lol, find me one GM who had them listed as early round selection. Other than Brady and a couple of defensive finds (harrison, Seymour, i'm missing 1 more stud)...who are his wideouts and why do they get so WIDE open??? *Question, David patten was lighting up opposing secondaries while he was with the pats...he goes to the redskins...and now he's holding a clipboard!! U tell me the problem? You all need to realize that you don't need the TOP players to win in this league...what you need is GREAT coaching, a system thats SUITS your talent and achieves the maximum results from your starters/reserves. And lastly, FOOTBALL players...not the fastest, not the strongest...but a thinking mans players...a player that gets the most out of his talents...leadership, and a motor...that's it folks... The pats have BEEN doing this year in and year out...recouping their losses in the draft and signing...oh my...dare i say it...TIER 2 FREE AGENTS...and when the franchise player needs to get resigned ala, TOM 'don't call me V.I.P, i'm M.V.P' BRADY you sign him!! Its really that simple folks....go out and over pay for those start players and see what happens when ur stud goes down via an injury...see what you got to plug that hole!! Kris Farris...lol...Pucillo...lol...lawrence smith...

After reading a lot of posts, i can't help but disagree with some of the options that I'm hearing... A few ppl have said that we need to go out and get L. Bentley© AND S. Hutchinson(OG)...LOL!!!!!!...are u kidding me. Its highly unlikely that we get hutchinson, cuz the hawks will probably franchise him, the same could be true for Bentley..however if lightinging does strike, and both become freeagents no way we get both for what they are really worth without somehow over paying and messing up our cap situation. Odds are we probably get one, and I say we got with Bentley!!...Hutch might want too much money, and remember the bills with R.Brown 5mill a year is juss too much for a OG. Verdict- we sign Bentley Free agency: we can bring in a couple of tier 2 players, like a Terrance Metcalf or a Stephen Neal tha we can plug into the o-line for a decent price. Verdict- we sign a tier 2 o-lineman As far as the draft is concerned...we take the best player available whether it be O-line or D-line with our first pick. We can plug in the player immediately, and they would hopefully be able to make an impact. Whether that becomes D'brick or Ngata doesn't matter to me..but I would like to prefer D'brick verdict- fingers crossed we take d'brick wit our first, a Dlineman with our second, and we get a CB/S with our 3rd rounders Bottom line our o-line problems gets solved quickly! Scenario 1 - we sign bentley LT- D'Brick LG- M. Gandy or Metcalf/Neal C- L. Bentley *RG- MIKE WILLIAMS RT- J. Peters Scenario 2- bentley gets into a bidding war, and we go with hutch LT- D'brick LG- Hutch C- Preston RG- Williams RT- Peters The reason why i am not giving up on mike williams is b'cuz if we cut him, we take a huge hit in the cap and it simply isn't worth it. I really feel that if he loses some weight in the offseason, with his size, he's better suited for the Guard position. ANd since he has played his whole career on the right side, i think he should stay there. Villarial hasn't showed me anything, other than he's an old man and he's losing his ears(wit all those penalties he keeps taking). Preston can also use the offseason to bulk up a bit, he's got some weight in that belly, but he isn't working with any guns (those arms seemed a little flimsy to me)...so hopefully he comes into the upcoming season ready to compete QB Situation: I think marv will agree, that JP gets the ball and its his to run with no matter what happens this season. If he fails miserably, maybe its our fault for messing around with him from the beginning...but he should get a clean slate and a new beginning. WR Situation: we will probably lose moulds..and I HATE the sound of that. ANd i want to be clear that the next team he plays for will be officially my 2nd favourite team!! But i digress...there are a few nice WR's that might be available in the offseason. Rod Gardner is one, and he's been compared a lot to the way moulds plays. Um, David terrel, Antonio Bryant and a few other 2nd and 3rd tier players. And we keep reed Verdict- We HAVE TO sign a FA wideout: i like Gardner and the wideout's look like this. WR- Evans , Parrish , Aiken, WR- Gardner, Reed , Late draft pick TE- Everitt and Campbell THe cornerback situation: We franchise Clements, if a team wants him they better give something up. THis wasn't clements best season either, so i doubt he'll be getting the kind of money he hoped for at the beginning of the season. If the prices fall, i say don't franchise him, and try to bring him in cheap. We hopefully sign McGee in the offseason as well, and the 3rd round CB that I hope we draft can be plugged into the nickel situation CB's look like Clements, McGee, 3rd rounder, Greer/king LineBackers: We let go of Posey, and but Crowell in his position, NOw we got Takeo, Fletch, Crowell DLINE- We keep Adams happy, and hopefully the 2nd round DL or the 1st rounder will be able to be plugged in and make an impact.. And thats it... If those changes are made this is a 8-8 team for sure...9-7 if we get lucky