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Not to worry. Peyton Manning with two broken thumbs, and a shattered leg bone would still be 5x the QB that Rex Grossman is and probably ever will be.

Great post. Is the same year that the Colts receivers were being mugged downfield and the refs refused to call any penalties? And you still have not responded to my page 2 response to you.

Dawgg I responded to you in page 2 ... I dont believe you replied back yet.

Are you saying that the part you cut out of my post was a weak argument or the entire post? I wasn't sure because you cut out a goof half of my post. Just to clarify a few things, Harrison came into the league TWO years before Manning, and In my original post, I was talking about Manning's 2nd year in the NFL, as when Harrison first started to break out. Thus it was Harrison's FOURTH year in the NFL when he broke out, and Manning's second. Manning had a pretty good rookie season also. He threw a bunch of INT's, but to throw 28 TD's as a rookie, is pretty darn good. Heck, Losman doesn't have as many TD's in 3 years, as Manning had in his rookie season. What I bolded in your response, really perplexes me. Wayne, didn't start doing well until around 2003-2004, and Clark didn't get drafted until 2004. So what is your excuse BEFORE 2003-2004? There were FIVE seasons before that when Manning lit it up, WITHOUT Clark and Wayne. That is what I was saying in the part of my original post that you cut out. Surely it is nice to have them now, but he didn't have them for the first 5-6 years of his career. He had himself, and Harrison. Add that to they play indoors? Manning had a 93 QB rating outdoors this season. Sure he did better indoors, but its not like he is faltering to a 70-80 QB rating outdoors. LAST year (2005), Manning had a better rating OUTSIDE, than he did in the dome. In 2004, he had a 112 QB rating outside ... should I continue?

Do you think Branch would have dropped either pass? Why are you always getting on people for what they choose to post? Why not just ignore them? I agree it was a dumb post, but there is no reason to get rude about it.

I find this point interesting, because pretty much every Patriot fan brings it up in every debate. They talk about the "weapons" Manning has, and thats why he is so good (as if Corey Dillon, Laurence Maroney, and Deion Branch are all nobody's). Yet I find it funny that Harrisons numbers were just "ok" before Peyton Manning 2nd year in the NFL. Before Manning's 2nd year in the NFL, Harrison averaged about 65 receptions, and 7 TD's per year for the previous three years. As I said, they were OK. After Manning's first year in the NFL, Harrison went nuts averaging 103 receptions, and 12.6 TD's per year after that. Thats a 38 reception and 5.6 TD increase per year after Manning came. Also take in the fact that Manning was having AMAZING years with JUST Harrison and Edge. Wayne didnt break out until 2003-2004. Before then he had dismal-OK years of 25-50 receptions. Then Edge in 2001 and 2002 COMBINED for 1651 (avg of only 800+ year) and 5 TD's. Thats COMBINED for TWO seasons (I believe he may have been injured). Keep in mind, that during those TWO years, Wayne wasn't doing much. In 2001, he had 27 catches and in 2002 he had 49. Not great, but OK. So now, Manning has Harrison and Himself. Dallas Clark was'nt drafted until a few years later. Anyway. This is my point. Sure Manning has talent around him, but if you look at the past he has done it WITH and WITHOUT the talent. He has done it WITH Edge injured, Wayne not doing much, and Clark not even drafted yet. I just think the whole "Manning does it because of ..." arguement is

Why do you say that?

... and NE is up 17-7 over the Jags!!!

Didnt Jarthur say the game was over? HAHA

Wow! Free 3 points!

Isnt Jarthur the type of person that you cant stand to have at a Bills game? I just wanna turn around and punch those type of dudes in the face.

They better line 5 receivers up and toss the ball in the endzone. The Saints proved it CAN work a few weeks ago.

I believe once he passes the LOS, they can go wherever they want.

WHAT GNSLKFS**#$UR(@#@(R#J$@NMA

What in the world is going on with our special teams all year ... jeez.

I love the game thread. One person asks a question and 5+ people answer. Its fun to see everyone's differentiating views on one play.

Lindell made that by about the length of the football off of the right (looking straight at it) goal-post.

WOW he BARELY made that

WOHOOO! 34 yard line!

It is still counted as a sack on NFL.com ... not sure whether that means anything though.

Yeah thats why I tend to only look at the SCORES of the games we need every 10 minutes or so, instead of watching it play-by-play. Too much stress otherwise.

NICE! Stop D! Good play Clements.

Nice sack by Schobel ... jeez I dont like flags.

We had 3 straight first downs going there.

Good news: Our offense looks pretty good Bad news: Our defense is trying to emulate what it did against the Bears