djfarr00
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anyone know if Ty Law is still available?
No matter what, i don't see Vincent moving back to corner. hes way too old and slow. plus a pretty decent fs.
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thanks - that pats draft was great. as for the pack draft, it was very butler-like. i'll be honest -- i have no freakin' tolerance for the the ignorant yahoos who have a) no respect for butler despite the fact that he ran every draft in the golden years and was key to building a good SD team and b) buy into an exaggerated rep for donhoe (a solid guy who has so far failed with the bills) when contrary evidence stares them in the face.
it wasn't very Bulter like at all because it didn't suck.
This ignorant yahoo (good guess) has independant thoughts. I happen to believe we are in the situation we are in (better than most teams) only because whitey took over.
also, i thought Bill Polian ran many of the drafts during the golden years. It was after he left that abortions like that 00 draft were allowed to happen
also - last time i checked sd was only good last year. prior to that the team was a mess.
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price had four good years for the bills; there was a steady progression every year in his game. as for him being one of the "worst #1 receivers" in the game, last time i checked, teams in the nf of l started two (and sometimes 3) receivers if they happen to run a pro formation offense. in that sort of offense, a good # 2 receiver is key. plus, if you're going to judge price's rep on his post-bills production in the ron mexico-led offfense of the falcons, i guess there's nothing to discuss.
as for donohoe's 1999 draft, present some evidence. same goes for NE circa 2003.
even more key than that #2 is a good #1. Price ain't it.
Price had a few 6 - 7 hundred yard seasons, then one breakout year. not quite the allstar he was touted as on someones post.
As far a vic goes, a great wide reciever will get his numbers w/ a bad quarterback and bad "2 and 3" receivers. most recently Owens on the niners
See Garcia, wilson, streets
1998 pitts. draft (which was already listed) just not round by round
round 1 26th pick (later than butler ever had) - Alan Faneca (best G in NFL)
2- Jeremy Staat
3- Chris Conrad
3- Hines Ward
4 Deshea Townsend
4 Chirs King
5 Jason Simmons
6 Fuamatu ma'afala
2002 pats
1 Daniel Graham
2 Deion Branch
4 Rohan Davey
4 Jarvis Green
7 Antione Womack
7 David Givens
2003 Pats
1 Ty Warren
2 Eugene Wilson
2 Bethel Johnson
4 Dan Klecko
4 Asante Samuel
5 Dan Koppan
6 Kliff Kingsbury
2000 bills draft
1 (at 26, same as Faneca) ERIK FLOWERS
2- TAVERASS TILLMAN
3COREY MOORE
4 AVION BLACK
5 SAMMY MORRIS
6 LEIF LARSON
7DASHON POLK
To my original point... the reason we didn't have talent and Donahoe had some much work was because no players that we drafter were any good ( excpet 3 in 99) 98 sucked and 00 was maybe the worst draft class in the history of the bills. i wasn't stating Donahoe a god, but he's done a pretty good job w/o the help of good core group. if you look at the pats drafts (listed by me) all or a large majority make a contribution on the team. We didn't get that from Butlers crap ass drafts.
Also i see a lot of people met the challenge of finding a better draft class
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talk about rewriting history -- sheesh! this takes the cake! butler's 1999 draft was one of the best in his career -- a truly excellent draft.
1 - winfield - pro bowl caliber cb for the vikes last year
2 - price - highly productive for the bills and an especially good pick for a second rounder
3 - shawn bryson - still a productive back in the league who had roughly 50 receptions last year for the lions. he would have been a much better player for the bills if he hadn't torn up his knee in his first training camp.
4 - keith newman - productive player in cotrell's scheme and still in the league which is more than you can say for the vast majority of 4th rounders 6 years down the road
4a - bobby collins - didn't pan out
5 - jay foreman - a starting caliber journeyman who led the texans in tackles a couple of years. again, way better productivity than most 5th rounders.
6 - armon hatcher - didn't make it.
7a - sheldon jackson - borderline sub for three years, which is far better than most 7th rounders, who rarely last more than a year (assuming they make the roster)
7b - bryce fisher - 8.5 sacks as starting RDE for the rams last year. 'nuff said.
i challenge anyone to come up with a more productive draft by any team in the league in the past 10 years.
only have to go as far as Pittsburgs 1998 draft
Faneca, Stat, Conrad, Ward, Townsend, King, Simmons, Fuatu ma'afala, Olsen
Price had one good year for us. i am really glad he did because it got us WM. However, if you think he's a talented receiver you clearly haven't been watching a lot of football. he's one of the worst #1 receivers in the league.
Note pittsburg 98 draft, hines ward came from the 92nd pick.
The major difference is as someone said, butler is great at drafting sweaty, dirty undies, the whites. I would take 3-4 superstars vs a bunch of journeyman anytime.
See also NE 2003 draft.
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Go back and look at the 1998 Draft and see that JB's wonderful trade for Rob Johnson cost us Fred Taylor. Ouch!
Also, JB was picking rather late in the rounds comparatively to what Donnaho's had to work with.
If The Bills don't make the playoffs this year and appear to be floundering (God forbid!) and Ralphie loses patience and shlt-cans the front office, be sure to drop back in five years and see how many of Whitey's draft picks are still on the team when it's been under new management for five years.
Will Mike Williams?
Will Josh Reed?
Will Justin Bannan?
Will Kevin Thomas?
Will Mike Pucillo?
yeah, but they'll be on someones team. i guess the point that i didn't make is that almost all of those players are gone from the NFL. If you look at other teams in the same time period, drafting in similar spots, we did a lousy job.
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you guys talk about trick plays like we do them once a series. they happen maybe one time per game / and not every game.
its a WASTED ARGUEMENT. the guy maybe able to run and jump, but lets think back. Leif Larson, Gabe Northern. Freakishly strong / quick respecitvely for their size. CLEARLY big fat busts.
stop dreaming and get real. we ain't taking this guy
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Matt Jones was originally recruited by Arkansas as a WR!
He made the switch to QB when they saw what an amazing athlete he was. It was his performance at the Senior Bowl as a WR, combined with the.... uh, combine; that has made his stock rise so much.
He's not Eric Crouch. He has played WR all his life.
except the last 4 years, where he played against his toughest competition to date.
and gained most of his practical experience.
by the way... injury concerns - already has rotator problems in r shoulder, the real reason he's looking at a new position in the first place.
leave this guy along.
assuming no shelton and the henry trade is for their 2nd round pick...
CB, C, WR, DT, HB, LB, SS
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http://www.nfl.com/draft/history
Bills drafts from 1997 - 2000 were simply pathetic.
There isn't one player from the 2000 draft that is still on the team / made any impact when he did play for the team.
Players like Arrington are now superstars and remain w/ their original teams. I am really glad we dont have tavaress tillman and corey moore, but what horrible drafts.
I look at those years as our reason for failure in the last 2 years. Rookies take time to develop. from 97 - 00 we have basically no players that remain on the team. Only Peerless price and Antoine winfield had any talent.
In 3 years we'll be able to look back and see how TDs drafts have improved the team. Many players will still be on the team and they will have increased overall talent
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right on. works hard every down. most of the effort is getting his ass off the ground because someone just crushed him. but he's trying hard
i do think donahoe is a damn good gm, and i feel comfortable with the direction he's taking us.
but, you have to appreciate the humor in the high motor white guy pick
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is this a wouldn't it be nice post or a realistic thought?
this isn't a videogame where teams dont have independant thoughts. trades aren't that easy to come by...........for example we got lossman instead of Rothlessberg last year. Jacksonville wanted too much. we dropped back.
not everyone is willing to swap, esp if there is a player that they want w/ that pick
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Hey ndirish1978, how ya doin'? Sorry pal, I think that you may be missing the boat on this guy. Philly's eyeballing this guy real good. They are the exact team to select him. Strong defense, decent offense that likes a short passing game. Their TEs are either hurting and/or aging. This guy is perfect for them. I have alot of reasons for wanting the Bills to select him but I'll just say the main one. Mularkey. Here is the kind of coach who would really maximize Jones' abilities and talents. I would love to see a athlete like Jones showcase all of his contributions and not be wasted. Hey, what do I know, this Donahoe is probably going to draft a RB with our 1st pick anyways.
i just don't think there is a boat w/ this guy.
think Eric Frost - still trying to transition to FS from quarterback.
heres another one for you....white guy..... great athlete.... fast, can jump.
something is not right. he's either way overrated or will be hurt
plus he is not a proven commodity. why waste a round 1 for that?
theres lots of talent in the draft, proven talent, at positions they have been playing for years
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How so????
Henry is a proven NFL rusher and Shelton is a proven bust. It's amazing how with just a few bad outings in 2005 misguided fans here have downgraded this player to the point where this deal is considered pulling a fast one on Arizona. Go back and watch the tapes of 2002 and 2003 and tell me Shelton has that same ability, heart and determination as that of Travis Henry. Just what's your beef with Henry anyways?He was our only weapon for those two years. How soon you forget.
just because he was the only weapon, doesn't mean he was a good one.
those teams weren't the most potent offenses.
In Drews first year there were at least 4 games that Henry's fumbling cost us games. Bears vs bills, MB returned a fumble for a TD and cost us the game.
That wasn't the first or only time that happend that year.
Henry is a chump and a loser. Proven most by his poor attitude last year / this off season
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was just at mgm. was very safe, and there were a lot of kids there. not sure about activities, but will be back there next sunday monday for work. if you're interested i can find out
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Losman. He's basically a rookie starter so the coaching staff isn't gonna just hand him the ball and tell him to go win the game. Rather he'll just be expected to not lose it while McGahee and the Defense do the rest
Bledsoe on the other hand is teaming up with Meshawn, Terry Glenn, no running game and a poor defense. The Big Tuna's gonna hand him the ball and tell him to pass like its 1999
Cowboys have maybe the best young back from last years draft. hes gonna do plenty to help drew.
however, no one can force him to throw the ball. more sacks and no wins in big games.
losman for sure
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Chad Owens:
This is my official #1 sleeper pick in the entire draft. Chad Owens is absolutely what you want on your football team. He is the hardest working player in college football. This kid walked on at Hawaii, not only made the team but made the starting team, led the team in receiving the past two seasons with over a thousand yards in each, is the heart and soul of a team whose quarterback just broke the NCAA passing record, is a serious threat returning kicks, and has sweet tattoos. 3,039 yards receiving and 39 touchdowns, 1,014 yards on punt returns and 6 touchdowns, 1,354 yards on kick returns and 2 touchdowns. What more do you want? Chad Owens looks sweet, and he plays sweet. The knock on Owens is his height. He's 5'9", not real big at all for an NFL receiver. Don't let that height fool you. Chad Owens plays football like he's seven feet tall. Physical specimen, enormous heart, and enormous work ethic. This is the biggest sleeper pick in the entire draft.
Hows about drafting CHad Owens who finished in the top 5 for catches/game, yards, td's and yac. He is much more polished than Reed, and is by far the quickest (not fastest) receiver in the draft. I think he is more than worth a late frist day early second day pick. He would be a playmaker, and a real 3rd option.
maybe then we can bring back flutie and have a quarterback and a tight end that are not capable of seeing over the line.
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the gay bee
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rumor Nate Clements to the redskins
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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best in the league??????? hes a very good player, but there are at least 5 cbs, one a rookie last year = Deangelo hall, that i would rather have on my team