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Those selfies are pretty damning.

Thank for less annoyingly filling the shoes Dwight Drane left for so long unfilled.

So if I pledge allegiance to ISIS before I shoot my neighbor's dog for crapping on my lawn, I'm a terrorist? This guy may have just been an unhinged repressed homosexual with an upbringing that gave him enough vocabulary to sympathize with ISIS. Or he may have thought he was doing something important for ISIS. He doesn't come across as particularly bright. On that note, let me take a moment to express how INFINITELY better this board is without Gator and Jim doing their mating dance in every thread. Whoever put a stop to that, cheers.

That's why FireChan thinks we should all have VX and a few citizens armed with nukes.

I'm not sure this guy killed a bunch of people in a gay club because he identifies with ISIS. Time will tell. The San Bernidino people were homegrown terrorists. OK City was a homegrown terrorist. This guy might just be a nutcase who said the magic terror words when he was in the middle of his rampage. EDIT--just read Tom's point and appreciate it. Even the Illuminati allowed Rhino to post below on this point. Terrorism is directed to political aims. Not a complete definition, but not sure this dude was motivated by political aims.

Not debating that in this particular discussion. Trump's immigration stance is irrelevant to the Orlando shooting.

The day a party looks at itself and says, "We screwed up" is a long ways off. The right is blaming the left. The left is blaming the right. The Keystone Cops are us, the voters.

Banning refugees is its own thread. You took Trump's soundbyte bait. He loves you for it. Let me take you through how Trump's mind works. Trump sees shooing in Orlando. Trump says "What has happened in Orlando is just the beginning...I called it and asked for the ban [on immigrants]." "Appreciate the congrats for being right..." Trump took the shooting and pushed his anti-immigrant agenda. He could have pushed his agenda to get more Peking Duck served in school cafeterias and it would have been almost as relevant to this shooting. At least when Clinton pushed her firearm legislation agenda, there was a firearm involved.

Whatever number Tom answers, you could get a lot more bang for the buck in chemical weapons. I believe it was Hamilton writing as Publius in the Federalist Papers who said, "Sarin and VX will keep an oppressive government in check." I'm all for pie in the sky idealism around Libertarianism, but there's a limit to an ideal brother. With a hint of Janet Reno on the side.

That's OK. Trump's reaction to this is "You see folks, we need to ban Syrian refugees." That and self-congratulations that this proves he was right somehow about immigration. Those are the choices. Yet Gary Johnson hopes for 3%.

Gary is the grown up candidate. His dad sounds like a peach.

I'm all for pausing a moment before selling a serious gun to a guy whose name ends up in a potentially radicalized terror investigation. If there was aa cross check of gun buyers against names in terror-related investigations, does this shooting happen? Probably, but it at least gives the good guys a fighting chance. Obama couldn't have done one thing different to stop this attack in the same way Bush couldn't have stopped 9-11. But their gut reaction to the situation was keep America safe. Mass shootings are becoming copycat fun for psychos who have been shown the way. I voted for Romney and Romney couldn't have stopped this shooting even if he spent an hour in bed with Barbara Boxer and Elizabeth Warren.

Please. Obama's an ass but I doubt Omar McSelfie shot up a gay club because Obama can't talk to John Boenher and Mitch McConnell.

Grow up. Obama has an unreasonable gun control agenda but he wants to do what he can to stop mass shootings. I don't question his desire to make America a safer place. Sadly each shooter is in copycat mode now, whether they are just psychos or self-radicalized nuts, so this won't be the last time this happens. The root cause of this is not solved neatly with gun control or bombing ISIS. It's not an easy problem to stop Americans from self-radicalizing and acting crazy. Nor is it an easy problem to stop people in war torn countries from blaming their crap lot in life on someone else and wanting revenge. These are complex problems without simple solutions.

At least you're consistent.

I'd sooner drink the piss than any river I've seen in India.

Obama wants to solve the problem of mass shootings just like you do. It's just the means of solving the problem where you disagree.

That makes perfect sense as long as he jumped in at the spot he peed. Jumping down river of where someone peed: That is a possible problem.

And the right is blaming: Islam Obama Clinton (Bill or Hillary) Social media ACLU etc That's what people do in cases like this. Look for a root cause and try to fix it. If only it were that simple.

Pissing in public is more of a health issue than a modesty one. I go to India a lot. Trust me: You don't want public urination.

No thanks.

I haven't said anything about about gun control in the wake of this, but don't let a fact like that get in the way of the fiction that informs your political opinions.

It's an old document that even the most strict constructionist has to interpret all the time.

He's been president for several of these and it's been n his agenda for years. Of course he will. It will be part of the developing story to find out how he got the weapon, what his status was regarding the watch list, etc. I don't have that story yet.

Brooks was obviously the man of the match. Wood looked very nice up top and his touch is a nice contrast to all those years of Altidore's stone feet. Jones also did a nice job dominating space. It was the right call on the red card but totally a shame. I loved the style of the US in first half. After the card, the strategy changed and it was sad to see them have to get more compact and be so careful. Hopefully they come out Thursday like they came out in that match. Guzan played well. Going to take me a while to get comfortable with him like I was with Howard but so far so good.