[Pat Williams placed on Vikings PUP list]

Has Fat Pat every been in shape?

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Well....ROUND is a shape, ain't it??

[Mike Williams has weight issues.....again]

Hey, the Dolphins will sign him!  They find all the gems.

 

PTR

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Well, the Bucs haven't cut him....yet!!

[Re: Losman:- Is it just me or....]

Sullivan is not big on giving people strokes unless it is merited.  Usually he is pretty fast to criticize.

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Sullivan is still in a good mood from the Sabres run. He'll get back to being his usual caustic pessimistic self as soon as we get a good three day stretch of rain!

[Emphasis on deep ball at minicamp]

I have it on good authority that Holcomb can indeed throw the ball two yards past the LoS....but only when it's 4th and 10.

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Of course that play got flagged because he was past the LOS when he threw it...

[Question about JP's work ethic]

I don't think it was that at all.  I believe everybody was prepared for JP to struggle.  What they weren't prepared for what the Ds total collapse (if you want to pick an "ultimate miscalculation" I'd go with letting Pat Williams go) and Mularky's inability to put together a conservative gameplan with JP in the lineup.  If you recall, that was supposed to be the Bills ticket last year.  Great D with an offensive philosophy that minimized JP's importance in the offense as much as possible (i.e. the same formula that led to Big Ben’s emergence in Pittsburgh)

 

Obviously none of that happened.

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The way to take the pressure off the young QB is to rely heavily on the run game, esp on 1st and 2nd down to avoid the dreaded 3-&-long. The O-line was generally unable to get any kind of push for the running game to provide the performance necessary to keep the O out of trouble.

 

So we can probably summarze the TD miscalcs as follows (in no particular order):

 

1 - loss of PW and lack of suitable replacement, killing defensive pass rush and seriously hampering run stop ability

2 - lack of serious attention to O-line via draft/free agency crippling the offense. (I'd give TD a pass on the Mike Williams fiasco, though, as the whole league thought he'd be a top tackle in this league coming out of college.)

3 - annointing JP as starting QB led to locker room discontent, and failure of team leadership to contain it caused on the field problems - ie Moulds in Miami, Adams, etc.

 

Any one of these alone would probably be fairly easily overcome, however together it basically took the team back to a rebuilding scenario.

[Our cerebral Running Back]

What's a rocket surgeon? 

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Kinda like a brain scientist.....

[With Moulds leaving the Bills will]

Since I don't want to start another Moulds thread, anyone find irony in this:

So he's going to a new city, new QB, new HC, new OC, new RC.  Guess he's simply decided it's time to ease on down the road.

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Yeah, and David Carr isn't exactly lighting up the league. Moulds may wind up in a "Buffalo South" situation!

[97 Rock Streaming !]

"Snortin Nortin" still doing the "Fah-King" routine?

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that was Taylor and Moore, not Norton.

[Explain something to me..]

Welcome.

 

I was wondering the same thing about Lebeau, why he wasn't contacted.  But if you think about it why would he leave Pitts for a shot to coach a below average team?  When he does ultimately have a shot at a superbowl right now a prbably next year as well.  But the question still remains why wasn't he contacted?

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Because Pitts are still alive in the playoffs maybe?

[Pro Football Weekly (NOT Talk):]

I think even if Williams had come back, our defense was in trouble as it aged big time over one year.  We needed more than Williams!

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I think a bit part of the secondary problem is the lack of pressure generated by the Dline. I don't care who is back there, if a QB has 6 secs unmolested to get rid of the ball, someone will be open and he will be found!

[I wonder what Marv would say...]

He would say "It's not how many times you get knocked down, it's how many times you get up."

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Nope, I'd think he'd say "Football doesn't build character, it reveals it."

[JP Will Be Back.....]

I was hoping for more this season. 

 

As long as you guys understand that we are basically giving up on this season for the sake of one guy (which apparently was the original plan).

 

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No, the original plan was that a strong running game and an elite defense and special teams would make the rookie qb's job easy enough that all he'd have to do is hand the ball off and make a handful of throws a game (ala Rothlisburger.)

 

Instead we've got a sieve-like defense, special teams that frankly haven't been all that special, and an offense that has so far managed to scrape together 2 decent games out of eight played. Not to mention coaches who excel at outsmarting themselves.

[On the Job Training]

Here's a hypothetical question:  suppose JP, like most first rounders, turns out not to be a starting caliber qb.  Suppose he is a Heath Schuler.  We won't know that by the end of the season, even if he plays the remainder (or at least we won't be prepared to admit it to ourselves - remember how long it took to turn the page on Bledsoe).

 

So in next years draft we do not draft a qb.  Then next year we stink again.  So in '07 we draft a new qb.  He doesn't start playing until '07 or '08.  So even if this one is good, and we start nosing to 8-8 in '07 and '08,  we don't get real productivity out of the position until '09.

 

Developing a QB takes time, no question about it. When do you start the process? Keep JP on the bench, start the process next year. If he is a bust, then you are looking at '10 or '11 for a decent qb (unless you find someone in FA.) Start the process now-that's my point.

 

That is an eternity as far as the rest of the team is concerned.  Almost all of the talent we have accumulated will be gone by then.  Will all those years of bad-to-mediocracy and not contending for anything be an acceptable price to pay in order to grow our own starter?

 

Much of the talent we have on the team is not producing at this point. The easy part of the schedule is over. The next weak sister we play is NYJ (at NY) in the last game of the season. Can you honestly see getting more than 2-3 wins when you are facing KC, SD, NE, Carolina, Cinci, Denver, Mia, and the Jets? The season will be an absolute meaningless waste unless we use it to work toward a long term answer on the QB question.

 

So in my mind we field the most competative team we can.  When JP looks close to KH in practice, you start playing him.

 

I've been seeing KH having many moments where he looked like JP in that last few games!

 

So even if this teams loses the next 3 games, and is essentially eliminated from the playoffs, you would still start KH? To what purpose?

 

As for you comment about getting a top ten pick, with todays salary system I would argue that that is actually something to be avoided.  The last thing we need are yet more MW-type contracts for unproven players eating into our cap.

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Ok, so you don't want a top 10 pick. I disagree. But there are plenty of teams that would take it in a heartbeat. It would be good tradebait at the very least.

[On the Job Training]

And as an extra bonus, what is the differance between going 4-12 and 6-10. We have beat two one win teams, and the other is under .500, and all at home.

 

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The difference is draft position. If this season is going to be the bust I think it will be, there will be at least some decent outcome if a)JP get's some seasoning for next year and b)we get a top 10 pick.

 

In my mind, we are wasting this year with KH at the helm. This team will not make the playoffs. The O-line has too many question marks and the D is a sieve and can't get off the field on 3rd down.

 

If we keep as we are going, we will be having this same conversation next year at the midway point.

[Top Ten Reasons MM Started Holcomb]

10. Ralph, getting' senile, told MM "Start Kelly!"

9. JP kept parking in MM's spot.

8. Keep focus on football now that hockey started up again.

7. Too many warm fuzzies from sports talk radio.

6. Team too unified- needed a good quarterback controversy.

5. Wanted to see how many snotty questions he could get from Sullivan.

4. "I thought the first four games were PRE-season?"

3. Part of "the plan" to ease jp into starting role. Next year, he starts 5 games.

2. Holcomb finally figured out "paper covers rock."

1. Bet TD $5 he could "Make JP cry like Leaf."

[Should have never dumped Hollis]

I believe Janitorski reupped with the Faiders.  Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

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Yeah, but RICH, fat, drunk, and stupid is another story!

[anybody know what pick JP will cost us...]

Looks like that pick was another great move by TD.

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While I like the pick, let's wait until JP has a couple of seasons as starter under his

belt before we give him the accolades for this pick.

[ESPN's so called expert week 16 picks!]

BTW - that's not a glock in your avatar. It's a bell set - or that's what we used to call them in HS.

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Actually it is. "Glockenspiel" is just the German name for what we call "orchestra bells."

[GAME THREAD]

I´m worried about our lack of a pass rush.

 

BTW, McGee is down. Come on - will we be able to field a team by game´s end?

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Hard to tell who wants to lose this game more.