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Your double trade down would be a good idea except the trade with Minnesota allows them to take the player we should take. Why in god's name do you want DeSean Jackson who is smaller then Roscoe Parrish, has no chance against NFL corners and will be relegated to injured reserve the moment he takes his 1st NFL level hit. I saw enough of the ambulance last year with Kevin Everett, I really don't don't want a guy who may be pronounced dead on imact in meeting with an NFL linebacker. Each pick gets more pathetic by round, Fred Davis is barely 6'2" and do know the history of short tight ends, its really pretty ugly. How about we stay at 11 take Derrick Harvey, select Jordy Nelso in round 2 and John Carlson in round 3. This gives us a pass rush end, a quality possession WR who is big at 6'3" and a reliable TE. Give this some thought and please don't get anywhere near the draft table where the cards are sent up to the podium.

After reading through the posts and considering all of the inputs I want to advise that we only one 3rd round choice as the other ws sent to Jacksonville for Marcus Stroud. With that being said I have the following suggestion: Trade down from 11 to 15, the Lios would be very interested in getting this pick as they could move ahead of Chicago and select running back Richard Mendenhall, of course they also have needs at corner and if one of the top CB's slip through they might also go in that direction. However this seems to be the trade spot and would give the Bills the following picks. Round 1 - 15th - Derrick Harvey - DE - Very explosive edge pass rusher with bulk and history against the run Round 2 - 41st - Jordy Nelson - WR - Big possession receiver, gets open, good red zone threat, excellent character Round 3 - 72nd - John Carlson - TE - Big and complete TE, not a down the seam type but will be 1st down target Round 3 - 76th - Shawn Crable - LB - Depth pick and will be great special teams asset, big and fast Round 4 - 114th - Dwight Lowery - CB - Good size at 6'1" and has decent ball skills Round 4 - 132th (Compensatory) - Beau Bell - LB - Great physical attributes, needs to be coached up, ST Potential Round 5 - 147th - Payton Hills - FB - Big, can block and catch out of the backfield, 6.2 YPC, 5 Catches per game as SR. Round 6 - 179th - Chaz Shillens - WR - Big, fast productive in college, great vertical, needs time to develop Round 7 - 219th - Brannon Carvahelo - OG, Good size at 6'1, 316 power player, may convert to C Round 7 - 224th (Compensatory) - TBD Round 7 - 251st (Compensatory) - TBD This would be an incredible draft for the Bills, two WR, two LB's for special teams and depth. Also getting a difference making DE and CB for depth, also the FB could be an outstanding player. Love to see and read any feedback.

It's just a problem that I have with posters on this site. If you know nothing about football or have a lack of knowledge to a serious post its truly better to not write anything. Just saves clutter from screwing up a football related topic.

Just wanted to let you know that your feedback was very well thought out - Try understanding football, team needs and available players at different points in the draft you moron.

Based on what has transpired with the slow time run by Malcolm Kelly I wanted to provide what I see as the most viable draft strategy. This will also take into consideration the suspension of Mario Haggens for the 1st 4 games of 2008. The Bills should strongly pursue a trade with the Eagles to move down from 11 to 19 for the rights to Cornerback Lito Sheppard. At 19 we should still have our choice of the 1st receiver taken and would draft as follows: 1st Round @ 19 - Devin Thomas - WR - Michigan State 2nd Round @ 41 - Dre Moore - DT - Maryland 3rd Round @ 72 - Brad Cottam - TE - Tennessee 4th Round @ 114 - Shawn Crabel - OLB - Michigan 4th Round @ 132 - Beau Bell - LB - UNLV 5th Round @ 147 - Payton Hills - FB - Arkansas 6th Round @ 179 - Chaz Chillens - WR - San Diego State 7th Round @ 219 - Brannon Carvalho - OG - Portland State 7th Round @ 224 - Jamie Silva - S - Boston College 7th Round @ 251 - Some corner prospect that can also play ST All of these players along with Lito Sheppard can greatly improve our team in 2008. Looking forward to seeing your feedback on this draft.

Really good job on this mock draft. The things that I would like to see is if the Bills can make the swap with the Eagles and acquire Lito Sheppard at CB and move down from 11 to 19 in the 1st round. This would allow us to not draft Brandon Flowers who I think is short, slow and a head case (Sorry think this guy is a Pac-Man Jones without the talent). In the 2nd round I would select DT Dre Moore of Maryland as he is a dynamic tackle and would allow Spencer Johnson to be flexed out to defensive end. I love the selection of Cottam in the 3rd round. This guy could be big-time if he stays healthy. Beau Bell is genius as I have also seen him play and he will be a beast on special teams. In the 5th round I would go with Payton Hills the Arkansas FB and select Chaz Shillens the WR from San Diego State with the supplemental pick at the end of the 4th round. This guy is big, fast and has great hands. The balance of the draft I would get two offensive linemen the Carvalho selection would be amazing. Lastly love Jamie Silva as I think his intangibles make him a very interesting prospect.

The team to do business with may be the San Diego Chargers. They pick 27th in the 1st round and have no major needs and because of trades made and use of their supplemental 4th round pick on Paul Oliver (great move by the way) they have no picks in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th rounds. I suggest using our 2nd and 3rd to get their pick at 27. The draft pick chart shows the 27th pick worth 680 points and our 42 and 73 a total of 705 points. That seems pretty even to me. Now, if we do this it is imperative that the player we want is available at pick 27. My strategy would be then as follows: Pick 11 - Derrick Harvey -DE - Florida Pick 27 - Devin Thomas -WR - Michigan State or Limas Sweed - WR - Texas (Only) If neither was their don't make the trade and stay at 42 & 73 and select: Pick 42 - Jordy Nelson - WR - Kansas State Pick 73 - Brad Cottam - TE - Tennessee or TE - John Carlson Notre Dame

I was reading through the posts on the "Most Hated Dolphin" and got me to thinking about Dolphins who have made comments in the past. My favorite was the offensive tackle Ronnie Lee who played with the Dolphins in the late 1980's. In 1987 after the Dolphins were shut out 27-0 he made the comment about "The Bills are a team we always beat, losing to them is just embarrasing. The following year after the Bills crushed the Dolphins 31-6 at Miami on Monday Nite Football, he again made a comment about the 'Stigma of losing to a team like Buffaol" who after that game was 9-1. On the flip side, my favorite "In your face" comment was made by Bruce Smith after the 1992 AFC Championship game and this was of course after the stupid comments by Cox, Clayton & Oliver after the Bills lost to the Dolphins at home and then to the Oilers the last week of the season giving Miami the AFC East title. After the game, won by Buffalo 29-10, Bruce Smith was being interviewed by the NBC talking heads and was asked to comment on the remarks made by the Dolphins prior to the game and Bruce responded with this blast "Win you win say little, when you lose say nothing" It remains one of my favorite moments as a Bills fan. Anyone here remember that comment or the one's made by Ronnie Lee?

Based on how the draft is starting to shake out, the best move for the Bills is go with with Derrick Harvey with the 11th pick in the 1st round. This guy is a freakish type of athlete, can bring heat from the edge and seems to have a performance history in college of being a run stopper. At 6'5" 271 he is bigger and along with the other improvements in our dline in the off-season should give us a very aggressive pass rush with just the front 4. That still leaves us with the need of a complimentary WR to pair with Lee Evans. Nothing in this draft when we draft in the 2nd round is all that appealing and more importantly will not be a producer for the upcoming season. So here is my suggestion. Let's try and move our 2nd round pick for an established WR. Maybe a team like Atlanta for Michael Jenkins who I think is the bigger size WR we are looking for. I also think we should talk to Arizona about Anquan Boldin and see what they might be looking for. In the case of a Boldin, we could even dangle our 1st next year. In the 3rd round I still believe we should persue John Carlson the TE from Notre Dame. As always, looking for your feedback.

Carlson ran 4.67 at his Pro Day is 6'5" and 259. Perfect TE size for the NFL. Sure he is not a down the seam threat but could be just the guy to have on 3rd and short which is exactly what the Bills need now. Plus coming out of a Charlie Weiss system his technique is probably better then most TE's coming out of college and he still will be their in the 3rd round. I remember the 2003 draft and begged for the Bills to take Whitten with the pick spent on Chris Kelsay, and look how that turned out. Jordy Nelson is a high character player with size, good speed and performance history. This is the type of guy you want as a #2. Think of him being a Joe Jerivicous or Ed McCraffry type.

As free agency comes to an end, pro day workouts are concluding and days to the 2008 NFL draft are counting down, now is a good time to have a realistic discussion of Buffalo Bills draft strategy. Let's first address the concept. The ultimate is when best player available + position of need is equal to the same prospect. In the Bills case here are the needs in order: WR, TE, CB, DE, OC, LB, S, RB, QB, K At the time of the 11th pick, I believe the best player available will be Derrick Harvey, the freakish DE from the University of Florida. After Harvey the next hot player is Illinois RB, Rashard Mendenhall. We know that Detrot wants a RB and this would be a perfect fit. The Bills need a WR and will have a shot at the top WR on the board either at 11 or 15 as neither Denver, Carolina or Chicago will spend their picks at WR. The Bears may take Mendenhall based on they also need a RB to replace "Cedric Bust Benson", making our pick potentially viable for the Lions to come and get. In my opinion, the Bills should take Harvey at 11 period. An explosive edge pass rusher makes an immediate impact and with other additions to the defense and health could make the Bills a much better defensive team in 2008. In round 2 the decision comes to selecting the best available TE or going for a 2nd level WR. Here again we have Josh Reed and Roscoe Parrish who are established mid-level players and are not the answer as a complimentary WR. Our TE situation is even more desperate even with the offseason additions. The best case scenario for the Bills if somehow Notre Dame TE John Carlson falls to us in the 3rd round, but I believe he will be the 3rd TE selected behind Fred Davis and Martellus Bennett. The top WR's are Sweed, Kelly, Jackson, Thomas, Hardy and Manningham. Assuming the Bills at either 11 or 15 (assuming we can get a trade with Detroit for their 3rd round pick) will have the choice of the 1st receiver off the board we and pass and take Harvey instead lets see what the chances are of landing a WR in the 2nd round. Between our 1st round and our 2nd round let's see which teams are probable WR picks, Eagles, Redskins, Cowboys, Titans, Dolphins, Rams and Jets. This is 7 teams who could make either their 1st or 2nd round pick a WR. This would also put Jordy Nelson, Jeremy Simpson and even an Adualius Bowmen in danger of not being available. The question is, do you risk the selection of the top WR for maybe the 7th or 8th on the board and select what could be a monster DE, or lose out on Harvey (Could be very early Javon Kearse like) to select a WR who will be a compliment to Lee Evans and will not be ready to start until 2009 at the earliest. The TE selection of John Carlson would be a dream if he were to be available to the Bills in the 3rd round. Here is my dream draft (1st 3 rounds) 1ST - Derrick Harvey -DE Florida 2ND - Jordy Nelso - WR Kansas State 3RD - John Carlson -TE Notre Dame Always looking forward to reading your thought and opinions.

Please explain why this is an illogical trade concept. It would be great if you were to actually make a football point you jerk.

If Willis went for a pair of 3's, why not a comparable deal for Portis?

As I was reviewing the scarcity of running backs available in this draft my thoughts drited to teams with a surplus. San Diego wants too much for Michael Turner, the free agent backs left in Chris Brown and Cory Dillon are really unappealing and this directed me to the Washingto Redskins. Last year after Portis got injured, Ladell Betts came in and rushed for 100+ yards in their last five games. With Washington having two quality backs and a lack of draft choice and major cap issues one way to alleviate the problems is to deal one of the two backs. I would push for Portis as he is two years younger is a better receiver out of the backfield and on a longer term contract. My suggestion is to offer our 3rd received from Baltimore for Willis and our 4th this year. Please think this over and send over your feedback.

Kelly, Why waste your time with posters from other sites as for the most part they are fans like all of us on this board. My opinion is based on team needs after free agency and what each team can do to fill those needs. What trade in what I have said seems to not be possible? Tampa to trade their 1st choice in the 2nd round to move up two spots. Very logical based on having a later pick in the 2nd round to use to fill their need at DE. Arizona's biggest need is at CB and the Patriots will not pay Samual, Nate Clements money so their best move to to exchange picks with Arizona, get the best safety prospect and retian their later pick to draft a replacement CB. Washington needs picks and has a gaping hole on the defensive line, they can trade down if Quinn is available and still get the DT of their choice. How are any of these projections illogical? I think by keeping team bias out of the picture and thinking purely on needs allows a well thought post like the one I posted.

I based this thought on the fact that the Bills need a RB to complete their offense and the Redskins have a need for picks in the 3rd and 4th rounds to fill holes they have. Salary cap availability also needs to be taken into consideration. The Bills have cash to cap to cover his salary and the Skins are always very tight under the cap and this would allow them to move the salary off their books. Portis is coming into his 6th year with no past injury history with the exception of last year. Lastly, the point is if the trade offer was made at the end of last year - McGhaee for Portis, would you have made the trade? If the answer is yes, then trading a 3 & 4 is about the same as receiving a 3 this year and a 3 next year.

I believe we are at the point in this pre-draft period to be able to seperate the truth from the mis-information being put out. Based on what I feel is happening here is my mock draft: 1. Oakland - JaMarcus Russell - QB 2. Tampa Bay - Calvin Johnson - WR - Obtained by trading their 2nd round pick to Detroit 3. Cleveland - Adrian Peterson - RB 4. Detroit - Gaines Adams - DE 5. New England - Leron Landry - FS - Trade Asante Samuel to Arizona for a swap of this pick and Arizona getting NE's pick at 28 6. Miami - Brady Quinn- QB Dolphins trade their 40th pick in the 2nd round to Washington to move back 3 spots 7. Minnesota - Jamaal Anderson DE - Wanted Landry or Quinn - Screwed by trades made by NE & Miami, may also select Ted Ginn 8. Atlanta - Joe Thomas - OT - Falcon's can't believe he dropped this far 9. Washington - Amobi Okoye - DT - Dropped down, got the player they wanted and added a 2nd round pick 10. Houston - Leon Hall - CB 11. San Francisco - DE/DT - Adam Carricker 12- Buffalo - Patrick Willis - LB - I also feel that the Bills should talk to Washington about acquiring Clinton Portis as they have and like LaDell Betts and he is a better fit for Gibb's offense. Portis could be outstanding in Buffalo and since the Skins are still short on draft picks and have many holes to fill. I would offer our late 3rd and 4th to the Skins for Portis. In the 2nd round I would select either Brandon Siler or David Harris to add more players to the LB corp and with our early 3rd round pick select Fred Bennett, the CB from South Carolina. Day One Summary - Add Patrick Willis and Siler or Harris to bolster the LB corps, bring on a quality corner with great measurables and get a franchise RB in Portis. Questions and comments are always welcome.

I am glad to see this topic has generated a lot of interest on the board. First of all my goal is to create a competitive team in 2007, not wait for 2008 or 2009. The Patriots have reloaded and have two #1 picks in this draft. The Jets will slip a bit and the Dolphins are in a full rebuild mode. 2007 does represent a chance to move into the playoff picture. Position by position we have been rebuilt by Marv and the new administration. Defendive line and secondary last year, offensive line this off-season and now we have two major areas that need improvement, linebacker and running back. I believe everyone on this board has the same general opinion. Now, assuming both Adrian Peterson and Patrick Willis are on the board, which do you take? The answer to that question is to look at the alternatives if you choose RB over LB or LB over RB. The draft this year has two high profile "instant impact" RB's Peterson and Lynch. Peterson looks to have the tools and at the college level is dominant, history shows he is prone to injury. He also tends to run high which at the NFL level is open invitation to both injuries and fumbles. For my money, no thanks on Mr. Peterson. Marshawn Lynch has never been the lone back and has some off the field character issues which we really don't need in Buffalo. This disqualifies him. No other back in this draft then left has the potential of a Michael Turner who has both fresh legs, NFL experience and a desire to excel as a starter in this league. Over 900 yards in less then 170 carries shows the kind of skill and power that will be an asset in the NFL. This then allows the Bills to focus on the linebacker position in this draft. Assuming we can use next year's 2nd with a condition to a 1st if Turner proves out (1200 yards, 8 TD's) and one of this year's picks, probably the high pick in the 3rd round, we would have the 12th, 43rd and 92nd pick in this draft on day one. Obviously, the pick if available is Patrick Willis, warrior in the likeness of Takeo Spikes, great character and unbeliviable measureables. He should be the pick at 12. At 43, move on another linebacker, either Brandon Siler of Florida or David Harris of Michigan. One or the other will be their. Harris is more the MLB type, Siler projects either in the middle or the outside. At 92 in the late 3rd round an edge pass rusher can be drafted. This year's draft is loaded with tweener types such as Jarvis Moss, Charles Johnson, Anthony Spencer and Quentin Moses. I hear that Moses could slip into the 3rd round and his size at 6'5" and weight 249 with 4.75 speed in the forty may make him to be a valuable situational pass rusher off the edge. When you add these players along with a RB who behind an improved line, should gain 1200 to 1400 yards means PLAYOFF CONTENDER, and isn't this better holding on to a pick next year for a player who is unknow and wasting a high draft choice on what I consider two high risk RB's. Opinions and thoughts are welcome.

Moses has a chance of being there because he is a tweener. Not big enough for a DE but no experience at at LB. According to Mike Mayock on the NFL Network, he may slip into the 3rd round. There are backs available but none with the profile of a Michael Turner. If you have not watched him play it is easy to say why should we give up a 1st in 2008 for an unknown, however, if LT wasn't in San Diego, this guy would be having 1500 yard seasons. In fact he is so fast he returns kickoffs for the Chargers. Don't know if you knew that or not. This guy is 5'11", 237 lbs and runs in the high 4.3, low 4.4's. He has great leg drive and power. Runs low to the ground and has some wiggle. Turner in my opinion is much better then Peterson who is injury prone or Lynch who has never been "the man" while in college. My thought is to focus on the LB position, get a quality RB and then grab a pass catch TE to go with Royal and have a one back offense similar to the Colts. Also at some point a fullback will need to be drafted. Possibly in the 6th or 7th round. im all for going heavy defense this draft. especially early. and if peterson and willis are both there at 12, im picking Willis. but im not about to trade our future opportunities for Turner(or anyone really). i think grabbing a back in the 3rd (in your scenario) instead of Moses who probably wont be there, is a better idea. that way, even if the kid doesnt work out, we can go RB in the 1st next year. there are a lot of good backs coming out next year. and that will be the start of the 3rd year in Marv's 3 year plan. im just not a fan of trading away our chances to continue to build this team. especially for Turner.

What is the love affair over Adrian Peterson. This guy is too tall for a running back, he also runs high and at the NFL level will be injury after injury. In my opinion Peterson is more like Chris Brown then Eric Dickerson. Plus, our weakness now is at Linebacker, this draft can shore up that area, getting a RB like Turner takes care of that position and the TE I referenced is a very interesting prospet. Agreed. It might sound "easy" to trade next years first now....but that draft will be here before you know it....and as much as we could go forward next year....we could go backwards. I wouldn't trade next years first in any package unless we are getting Adrian Peterson.

Based on present draft projections, team needs and not being able to factor in any late trades within the 1st round of the draft, I provide the following scenario. Trade our 1st pick in the 3rd round in this years draft and next year's 1st to San Diego for Michael Turner. I live out here and this guy is the goods. Size & Speed along with dominant leg strength make him a perfect power back to pair up with Anthony Thomas in the backfield. Now moving to filling our weak areas. I have noticed that Marv and this administration try and make wholesale fixes on a targeted area. For example, the defensive line and secondary in last year's draft and the offensive line in this year's free agencey. Keeping that philosophy in mind, I feel that this draft will focus on the linebacker corps and some enhancement at Tight End. The reason for the TE moves will be that based on the personnel on the roster it might be best to go to a single back, double TE formation as our primary scheme. Therefore with all reasoning defined, here are my picks based on the trade for Turner. 12th Pick - Patrick Willis - LB University of Mississippi 43rd Pick - Brandon Siler - LB University of Florida 92nd Pick- Quentin Moses - DE University of Georgia - but outside pass rush linebacker in the NFL - 111th Pick- Michael Allen - TE Whitworth College - Allan (6-6¾, 254 pounds) ran a 4.38 in the short shuttle and 7.37 in the three-cone drill. For the rest he stodd on his numbers from the Combine. 40 Times were 4.56 to 4.62 Picks in the 6th and 7th round would be for depth in the secondary and at WR. The emphisis on linebacking would provide the Bills young players with speed and agressiveness and allow the opportunity for depth. Michael Allen is one of the sleepers in this draft. He could be the receiving TE with Royal providing in-line blocking. These are my thoughts and would love to read your feedback.

My thoughts are predicated on the things coming from Dick Jaruon and his desire to run a split backfield. I have always thought a true split backfield with both players being able to run/catch and block provides the greatest offensive diversity. Now teams cannot focus on stopping one player, and simply following the lead blocker into the hole. A Hunt/Leonard backfield is very exciting to me and this could be accomplished by selecting Hunt with our second round pick and then trading the pair of 3rd's to move back into the 2nd round. No player on the board in my opinion is a better fit then Patrick Willis in the 1st round. I was doing some reading and found that he has a major in criminology and a minor in English, was removed from his father at 16 do to abuse and is living with step-parents and lost a brother who drowned in the past year. He has a warriors mindset and is a high-quality, character athlete who will make a great member of both the team and community. If the Bills find some way to pull this off it would be a major coup for the franchise.

It appears that the majority of posters feel that we need to draft Lynch from Cal in the 1st round to fill the hole created by the trade of Willis. This would be a huge mistake. The area of weakness is at LB and our pick in the 1st round should be Patrick Willis of Mississippi. This would allow the Bills to add a great young player, leader and character player to their roster. He looks very much like a young Takeo Spikes. With Spikes here providing a great role model for him. In the 2nd round I would move to fill the hole at RB with the selection of Tony Hunt of Penn State. Hunt has a great mix of size and speed and if possible, I would do whatever I could to then manuver to take Brian Leonard from Rutgers. A backfield of Hunt/Leonard would provide the split backfield threat that would work very well with the other weapons the Bills have. As always, am interested in your thoughts on how this scenario would position the Bills in the future.

Just to let you know in the upcomming draft we will have a chance at maybe a Calvin Johnson of Georgia Tech although if we draft at 10 he will probably be gone. However Dwayne Jarret of USC should be their with the 10th pick.

Good Morning to all, I like many of you am feeling the frustation of yet another losing season. I would be happier if we were on the winning side of the ledger but accept that growth does take time. Looking at the schedule I believe we will end up at 6-10 and that will put us about 10th in next years draft. Let's look at where we are at now. QB - I believe that JP will become a better then average QB in this league. The remaining 9 games this year are for development into the next level. With an offensive line in front of him, I do believe he will put up about 3200 yards, 23 TD's, 10 Int type of seasons in the future with about a 62% completion rate. If this is what he develops into does anybody feel this was a wasted draft choice? RB - Willis is a true feature back with skills to excel behind a good offensive line, the backup RB situation is marginal at best and the Bills should look for a quality backup in next years draft. WR - Evans will be a superstar and Pro Bowl player in the future, TE looks set with Robert Royal, Reed & Parrish look like they will be valuable players. Another complimentary WR as the #2 is needed as Price/Davis/Aikin are not true viable threats and this area should be looked at in the draft. OL - This is where the Bills need to invest. RT Peters is a work in progress and may be well above average. Reyes is solid and will be an asset, I have no issues with Melvin Fowler at C, but the entire left side needs a serious upgrade. With cap monies the Bills must invest in a LG/LT, maybe only a LT as Gandy may be a viable consideration at LG. I do have hopes that Pennington will develop as he has the size and footwork to develop into a serviceable LT. If no player is worthy in free agency, then use the draft to address the left side of the offensive line. ST - Fine with everything, Lindell, Mooreman & the players on the return teams rank with the best in the NFL. DL - Ends are solid, not spectacular, the DT combination has shown little to date and there is an obvious need for a three gap DT. I believe the Bills made an error in Judgement by not giving up a 2nd for Anthony McFarland. He is the three gap player needed in this type of system. Since we blew that one, the Bills must pursue this type of player in next years draft. LB - Area of potential weakness with Fletcher geting older and Spikes not the player he once was. Buffalo needs to get depth and get younger here. I kike Ellison and Crowell, Haggins and Stamer, this is 3rd & 4th round type of players in the draft. Sec - Great picks with Whitner, Simpson and Youboty. Need to see more of him in Clements spot. I am of the belief that the Bills take the hit and pay Clements to keep the positive steps going in the defensive backfield. So, assuming we make no other moves then I would make as many free agent moves that I can to add veterans to key and critical spots. Draft the best available player at positions of need and move into year two of the rebuilding program. New England is on the way down, the Dolphins are a mess and the Jets are definatly on the rise. As always looking for feedback from all of you.