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In response to the awfully timed question about revisiting gun laws, Trump brought up how this might not have happened if there had been an armed guard in the synagogue. Trump trumped the stupid. Storytime Greggy won’t critique his guy though. He’s too busy putting everything into the conspiracy narrative he’s built and that he must constantly revise. I remember when Hillary was pre-ordained. Pivot.

Your blind faith in your conspiratorial savior is touching. Try being the slightest bit objective when your boy is critiqued.

Sorry to break up your fun. DT waited a few hours before acting like a moron. Not bad for him: "This is a case where if they had an armed guard inside, they might have been able to stop him immediately....If they had protection inside, the results would have been far better.”

Reposting your own crazed theory = message board edging. No O-face today, although your "sources" must have already "linked" the Mystery Machine to military intelligence.

Soros gets a bomb in the mail. PPP brain trust reaction: - it’s the left’s fault - the left planted it to false flag the right Storytime Greggy has taught his padawans well.

Are you sure you didn't mention Clinton and Bush in this thread Storytime Greggy? ^^^^^^^^^^ Wrong. AGAIN. And as for you mentioning Obama, there's a little scroll thingy on the side of your screen. Slide it upwards. Try to keep your conspiracies straight at least for the sake of cohesiveness. How's your research into the Hyperspace Research Institute going? Been to St. Thomas to visit your guy yet? I do. And I think Trump does too. But it's only one of many goals and justifications to help drive our economy and keep our country safe. But we dance with many devils to achieve it, and there's no reason to enjoy it or call the devils out when something like this happens.

So let's get this straight from Storytime Greggy: Bush, Clinton, Iran, Obama, Turkey, are all part of some blame game narrative in this thread. And if I read it closer, he probably blames Tom Donahue's baby blood drinking as well. MBS's connections flew in and out of Turkey in 24 hours, and went in and out of the embassy before and after Khassioggi's entrance. But MBS had nothing to do with it. That's Hollywood baby! Trump touting Saudi Arabia's ordering of weapons from the US ("it creates jobs!") and linking this to Kavanaugh in defense of Saudi Arabia's narrative is rich stuff. I would think this would feed the Military Industrial Complex storyline. You're missing the obvious conspiracy Storytime. Get on it! Diplomatically, POTUS will probably let this slide because he wants the $$/jobs flowing into the US and Saudi Arabia is the current enemy of some of our hotter enemies. But can we stop with the nonsense at some point and just accept that we're in league with a bad guy, again.

I don't believe either side yet. But he went in. If he came out, we should know shortly. I do like the Dexter angle from a color perspective. It's the kind of thing Storytime Greggy usually embraces. Pizzagate right Storytime?

I like that you and Greggy get into this little 69 session liking each other's posts. It's cute boys.

Hey Storytime Greggy: Got any new stuff lately? How many times have I said that the KSA can get out of this easily by showing their footage. If they do, this goes away. Go interpret Q's dingleberries and find the meaning of (your) life.

Maybe that's why I said the US was moving the chess pieces. Try reading. That's funny. Try reading this thread just a few up. Maybe if she's spared her head on October 28, she can tell you how great things are for women in SA. Says every dictator ever. Yeah, Jeffe. Please jump to conclusions. I did say we should launch a war. What a reactionary moron you turned out to be. What the !@#$ kind of crazy nonsense is this? You're dumber than the guy who "liked" your post, and that's hard to do. Are you also a believer in anti-gravity technology that the US is hiding? Or are you a smidge smarter than Storytime Greggy who gets sucked into any crazy thing he hears? SA is the enemy of our enemy. So on the geopolitical board, it's who we occasionally align with. Nothing more. This latest issue is bigger because we cozied up to MBS pretty tightly of late.

I've read no end of articles decrying him as a strongman and dictator for a decade. He's no friend of democracy and it's been endlessly covered. That doesn't mean he's wrong on what happened here, and he's happy to benefit from calling out Saudi Arabia. Pretty easy for SA to refute his claims. SA says Khashoggi entered the embassy and also says he left. That story is easy to prove. Probably their cameras were out though and they can't find the footage. The fallout is that it looks very bad (again) for us to be aligned with such states. All we do is move these slimey pieces around the chess board in the hopes that one of these countries isn't a !@#$ing nightmare. Trump (Kushner) is just the latest guy to play the game.

MBS arrested women's-rights activists this year and some face beheading for protests. So this isn't a beauty contest between exemplary regimes. SA has long been the enemy of my enemy. In this case, MBS may have overplayed his hand. This goes away if SA provides the footage of him leaving the embassy like they say he did.

Saudi Arabia says he left. It will be trivial for the Saudi embassy to provide the footage of his departure to inquiring minds. Erdogan and MBS are a mess but the good news is that the SA embassy would have plenty of footage of the embassy entrances. Any evasion in providing said footage would be telling. Assume the footage angle is being pursued.

Might be buried in another topic but I'm pulling it forward as I've not seen it. The US's pet (whether it's Obama's "bow" or Kushner's buddy MBS) Saudi Arabia may have Dexter-ed journalist Jamal Khashoggi. We don't have an ambassador in Turkey or Saudi Arabia. The CIA could issue a conclusion shortly. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. MBS denies any knowledge, which of course is crap, and he will have to change his tune shortly. Kushner has been pushing MBS as a US ally. Saudi Arabia is the first country Trump visited as POTUS. The Trump State Department approved a nearly 700M dollar arms deal to Saudi Arabia in March, so that's in the cauldron as well. The story is summed up well here. Developing.

He raped Hemings to the tune of 6ish children, who he kept as slaves. Even after he died, he kept Hemings a slave. You are an unmitigated bloviating ass. Good luck as hero to the stupid.

Fox is to the left of this board. No shock there.

So he didn't rape Hemings and keep the children of those rapes in slavery? Please, do tell.

I doubt this.

That line is always moving through history. It's not a great point. Jefferson was viewed as a pristine founding father until 30 ish years ago. Now we look at him as a guy who raped his slave and kept his son a slave even after he died. Maybe in 100 years, people will lionize him again. Perspective changes. Tributes in the form of statues will be built, torn down, replaced...that's a natural march of time. Nothing I said was incorrect. But of course there is more to the story. My point was the counterpoint the post I responded to: Let's not hold Lee up as some bastion of anti-slavery virtue.

White supremacist. Alt right is their mainstream term for themselves to try to normalize their legitimacy. I try not to use it but I get caught in it too. No. As with most social movements, probably many causes. We poor honkeys have been under attack since affirmative action so that's nothing new. The more recent development has been the push by the white supremacists to legitimize themselves under mainstream sounding rubrics. Obama as first black prez pushback, internet racist echo chambers, PC police pushback, Trump playing to them with advisors and messaging, immigrant issue focus in 2016...and more are in the stew right now.

We don't live in a country where unanimity decides. These statues are number 8 million on a list of concerns.

That story is more complicated than a sentence and doesn't capture Lee's views, nor what he permitted and encouraged in the Civil War. Let's not get crazy and try to paint Lee as a closet abolitionist. He killed Americans to keep the right to slavery. He used slave labor on his family plantation. He encouraged northern raids to secure slaves for the South. Like anyone, he had some good in him. But on the issue of slavery, he was with the slavers. Apologies to Jefferson Davis. When Boys gets to rightfully point out a mistake, I've gone seriously awry.

I don't know where you draw the line. But I don't care that it gets drawn. History has always done what it's doing now: Reviewing the actors with modern sensibilities in mind, rational or not. We are lucky to live in a country where we have a say in the tributes and taking them down or erecting them.

I don't even care a little about the Lee statue for what it's worth. A statue is a tribute. Lee was not merely a slave owner--he was a leader [ed] of the Confederacy--surely you can appreciate that many people would find him unworthy of a statue. Everyone is complicated. Some people deserve to be celebrated. Others don't. The ones who don't get their statues taken down. You can still read any one of a billion books about Lee. Tom should dork up the board and weigh in on Russians taking down the Dzerzhinsky statue in the 90s. It happens. The world can still read about him. The beat goes on.