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Just saw that the Eagles are making a move to release Fletcher Cox. I don't know how good his last season was, but up until two years ago, he was right there next to Aaron Donald as the premier D Lineman in the league.
How difficult is it for the Bills and Beane to forecast who might get released or cut?
Meaning....lets say they're looking at Cox, two weeks ago, but they also have their eyes on two or three other players.
How long do they wait to pull the trigger on the other two, before they think they miss out on any an all targets?
If they knew Cox would be available two weeks ago, would they have targeted him instead of Tim Settle & DaQuan Jones?
I know these thoughts are scrambled a bit, just thinking out loud.
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23 minutes ago, RochesterLifer said:
I don't think there is anything wrong asking this question. As a fan, it makes for a fun conversation.
My answer is that Josh is a great leader for this team and the macho, mean-guy routine is overrated. Often, the macho act covers up other weaknesses. Josh's sincere, self-deprecating, super-supportive, "let's continuously improve together" is a forever sustainably form of leadership that will have great players always flocking to play and win with him.
Good question!
Yeah, I'm glad no one went flaming on me for asking the question, because it wasn't my intent to be critical of him, as I said, I love the guy, and he leaves it all on the field every single game. He's what we've all been looking for since Jimbo retired.
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I love Josh Allen. One of the first things that jumped out at me was how quickly he became comfortable as a locker room guy. When he was drafted there was some question about how he would adjust to the NFL immediately after there was a report that while he was in high school or college he had quoted lyrics from a song on twitter that the cancel culture was wanting to smother him over. Even during his first two seasons when he struggled to develop his accuracy, he just looked the part of a guy that was going to lead this team to the next level.
So the question was put to me this morning by a Cowboys fan who is frustrated with Dak Prescott. He's a top NFL QB. But he's missing something in the maturity and leadership. Something that Aaron Rodgers has. Tom Brady has. Peyton Manning had. Jim Kelly, John Elway, and Dan Marino all had it. And that's this, they didn't hesitate to grab a lineman by the facemask and get in their face to tell them mistakes are not to be tolerated. Get after a WR if they run a bad route or read the defense poorly and don't cut a route short, or adjust and go long. I don't recall ever seeing Josh get in a guys face over a mistake.
I hadn't given it any thought but wanted to throw it out there for discussion. Is Josh Allen too Buddy-Buddy with the men he's leading?
Is it necessary for that kind of leadership to get to the next level?
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Bates looks like the Golden Ticket they were gifted in exchange for giving away Teller.
It's pretty amazing how one teams trash is another teams prize.
Player evaluation has so many intricacies. This morning I've read a few articles on Bates. None from NFL Front Offices but scouting reports that I suspect are words written by some guy that was regurgitating what NFL Personnel have said in sound bites while scouting Bates or seeing him at the combine or sometime since.
He's a road grade run blocker.
His only weakness is run blocking.
He's a Tackle.
He'll never play tackle.
He can only play Guard.
He can fill any position on the OL.
The combination of reports goes on and on.
These guys (Teller, Bates) were guys that just needed time to develop. Some players peak in college, get drafted high and then suck in the NFL.
Some guys don't peek until year 3 in the NFL and they turn out to be absolute steals as late picks or FA's because some player development guy saw something that no one else did.
Regardless, the Bills OL is stocked with depth. Especially with Morse still there with one more year on his contract. Spencer Brown struggled mightily filling in at LT, and the plan wasn't for him to start at RT as much this year, but here we are. And guess what? I remember watching Anthony Munoz get absolutely embarrassed by Sherman White in his rookie year. Only one of those two guys is in the HoF.
The O Line struggled through a lot of Covid and injury issues this year. I'm looking forward to how well this unit looks if they can stay healthy.
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I think it's the OL play. Feliciano is a huge loss. He's that gritty leader you talk about that's been missing.
And Daryl Williams - I don't have a snap count, but it seems like he's been in and out of the line up and inconsistent.
Dawkins had some early games where he looked average at best.
Morse is getting old. Ford has been a guy that was expected to be a starter and has managed to play his way into being a backup.
Spencer Brown is a positive addition but he's still improving.
Spencer Brown by the way, for those of you that have been around for a long time, reminds me of Joe Devlin and Ken Jones.
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Who do you see on the current roster that the Bills might give up on that has the potential to become a Pro Bowler?
(and I know the Bills didn't necessarily "give up" on Teller, but they gave away a future pro bowler on the cheap).
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Just now, HurlyBurly51 said:
Was that Donohoe in the Eagles war room?
It was. Just gave me PTSD flashbacks.
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Oh man! I just saw Tom Donahoe in the Eagles war room. I just had nightmare flash backs about how his drafts destroyed the Bills organization for an entire decade.
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If Daboll takes a head coaching job, who is he most likely to take with him currently on the Bill Staff?
Does Dorsey get the first look at the OC position? Or does he move with Daboll?
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Can someone create a meme using this movie poster for tonight’s game.
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On 2/27/2020 at 5:57 PM, Rico said:
I would like to see someone write a book about what really went down during the drought era. Too much fake news & revisionist history floating around, new and future fans need to know the real story.
In my opinion, the drought era began in 2002 with Tom Donahoe drafting Mike Williams and Willis McGahee in back to back years in the first round.
I remember being super pumped when Donahoe was brought in from the Steelers. It reminded me of when the Bills landed Chuck Knox, except success never followed with TD.
And he added Tom Mordrak who at the time I was also high on. What a disaster that front office turned out to be. As I remember it, the Bills had gaping holes all over their roster.
Mike Williams was a larger than life personality, and a larger than life bust. Then Donahoe selected Willis McGahee who blew out his knee the year before and we knew in advance he wouldn't be available for at least one year. Not to mention that most draft specialist expected McGahee to be available in the next round.
And if that wasn't enough, in 2004, he traded up into the first round to select J.P. Losman.
Tom Donahoe is the single most responsible person for a nearly 20 year drought.
And if there were a Wall of Shame for the Bills, he would be a first ballot inaugural member.
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56 minutes ago, jwhit34 said:
Lou Saban was inducted to the Wall of Fame in 2015.
Bob Chandler - good story, fan favorite, stats aren't that great. On team for 9 years, was injured 1, so 8 seasons, had 295 receptions (37/year) for 3,999 yards (500/yr). High in yards for 1 season was 824. Wall of good, not wall of fame.
In comparison, Eric Moulds is not on Wall of Fame yet and he had 675 catches for 9,096 yards so he's double that of Chandler. He is the next guy that should go in.
Chuck Knox I say no because of record 37-36 isn't anything special. He's more name recognition.
Ruben Brown and Bennett I would be good with. Phil Hansen is in with 61 sacks, Schobel had 78 so he probably deserves a look.
Good catch on Saban. I had no memory of him being added.
I disagree on Chandler. He played in a different era. I would agree he wasn't a great all time NFL player,. but I think he belongs with the great all time Bills.
I guess i would have to reconsider Knox. The 1980 team was my all-time favorite year as a Bills fan, and my memory of that season has likely sugar coated my opinion of him.
Byrd, Hansen and Schobel are also all good choices.
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I haven't posted on this board in years, so I'm not sure if this topic has been posted recently.
I was reviewing the list of players and other members of the front office named on the Bills Wall of Fame and I got to wondering what other names you would like to see named?
Here's five that I would like to see added:
1. Chuck Knox - At the time, he brought respect to the organization the moment he was named HC, after a decade plus of disastrous play.
2. Lou Saban - He lead the team to two AFL Championships. Enough said.
3. Bobby Chandler - My sentimental pick. As a guy that grew up in the 70's he was the guy that I always mimicked when playing ball in the backyard.
4. Rueben Brown - 9X Pro Bowl Guard from the post Super Bowl Era.
5. Cornelius Bennett - The missing link needed on defense to put the organization of the hump and bring 4 consecutive AFC Titles.
https://www.buffalobills.com/team/alumni/wall-of-fame
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Fingers crossed for James Daniels.
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Some of the comments coming out from players (Jon Beason, Steve Smith et.al.) is alarming and makes me wonder about the character of our new GM Beane. Is he a disciple of Gettleman? Did he praise his practices? Or is he his own man that also felt the same negative way about his old boss?
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Loud? Yes!
Crazy? You betcha!
Electric? No doubt!
Timing of the sale for the reason you mentioned? mmmm'no.
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I'd like to see Bill Polian brought in as an advisor. Not to say he comes in and terminates anyone, or brings in any other 1990's cronies, or is kept around long term - but just comes in, does an evaluation of the organization and then provides a report to the owner.
He's been part of turning three oragnizations around and into winners. That's not something you just happen to luck into.
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Just thinking out loud...
Lets say for kicks and giggles.....the Bills put a target on Ryan Mallett and no other teams offer the Pats a trade for hm.
Do you think BB would cut Mallett before he would accept an offer of a 7th round pick for Mallet from the Bills - to do whatever he could to keep him from going to someone else with in the division?
I sort of think he would pass on a 7th rounder, maybe not a 6th, but maybe a 7th?
Sure the Bills would still have a shot at him if he were cut, but it may be less likely that the acquire him.
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I think we will be saving Kolb and Pears money...then (hopefully), spending a boatload of it on Byrd...Didn't realize Stevie was so high...might well be a cap casualty if they draft a receiver high.
I wouldn't be shocked to see Stevie cut. He hasn't really impressed me the last two seasons.
I'm not terribly interested in spending big money in FA on a proven veteran WR, but I think they could do better than SJ.
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Based on the information below, what options do the Bills have with Kolb?
Can they restructure that $3.6M over three or four years and then release him and pay him 1 million per year until the obligation is complete? Or do the rules prohibit that? Or however they restructure, would they have to take the full cap hit at the time of a release?
http://espn.go.com/b...ighest-cap-hits
DE Mario Williams -- $18,400,000WR Stevie Johnson -- $8,500,000
DT Marcell Dareus -- $6,493,232
DT Kyle Williams -- $5,800,000
C Eric Wood -- $5,300,000
RB C.J. Spiller -- $4,166,666
CB Leodis McKelvin -- $4,150,000
RB Fred Jackson -- $3,643,750
QB Kevin Kolb -- $3,600,000
OT Erik Pears -- $3,450,000
Where do the Bills rank against the NFL average?
Their top 10 cap hits total $63,503,648, which is 61.8 percent of their team cap hit. That is 5.6 percent less than the NFL average, meaning the Bills are less top-heavy than the norm.
Meanwhile, their top 25 cap hits total $89,487,978, which is 87.1 percent of their team cap hit. That is 2.6 percent less than the NFL average.
Of the most expensive players under contract for next season, the player that is least likely to play with that cap hit is Kolb. After suffering a season-ending concussion last August, Kolb's playing future was in jeopardy. With EJ Manuel already named the starter for next season, it's likely that the Bills will either restructure Kolb's contract or release him by March.
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I wish that the smal minority of people that have decided that EJ is a bust would realize that no matter how much they crusade on the topic, they are not going to influence the majority of people, let alone influence the Bills FO with their incessant insistance on the situation.
I agree...I'm not enamored with anyone coming out at the position anyway. I know there are a lot of talented kids at the position, but not an Andrew Luck type guy that you would kill for.
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My wish for 2014 is that Coach Marrone would remove the word "okay" from his vocabulary during press conferences.
It's a small request - but it drives me nuts.
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I'll explain. A front 4 with those guys is worthy of a comic book superhero storyline. First they crush Eli in a Super Bowl victory when the Giants kickers misses wide left. Then they crush RGbust in a second straight SB victory. The next saga is beating the hell out of Romo en route to another SB victory. And finally the clincher. They knock Romo out cold and beat Orton for their fourth straight Super Bowl victory, heroicly righting all the wrongs of the 90's. And they do this while fighting crime in every city they play.
We would just need old Viking John Randle running around on the sideline shouting; "mount up men...its time to lock and load"!
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I think they have about a 1 in 32 chance of signing him.
Most Dominant NFL Player Ever
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When these topics come up I can never narrow it down to a single player.
My top three would be:
Jim Brown
Jerry Rice
Lawrence Taylor
I once read a stat (I can't confirm if it's true or not), that Jim Brown was never tackled for a loss.
As far as top athletes all time, I wouldn't include any of the above guys.
Top Athletes All Time:
Wayne Gretzky
Michael Jordan
And I'm going to throw in Serena Williams because.....well.....23 Grand Slam Singles Titles. 14 Grand Slam Doubles Titles. 2 Grand Slam Mixed Doubles Titles. And 4 Gold Medals. Domination for nearly 20 years.